Thinking back on school days (did social services intervene?)

[Fluidic Kimbo]

I'm about 20 years out of highschool now, and I can look back on some of the situations in the classroom with more knowledge than I had back then, and I consider in some situations, did the school phone social services?

When we were about 13 years old, one guy came into class with a big circular burn on the left cheek of his face. I heard people saying "He tried to iron his shirt while it was on him". Then a little while later, the vice-principal of the school appeared in the room, and his attention was on the guy with the burn. I mean broadly speaking there were only two possibilities:
1) He actually put a hot clothing iron to his face, in which case he had to be reported for self-harm.
2) He had a cover-up story for what somebody else did to him

In either case, the vice principal must have been obligated to inform social services. Then again though, it was a Catholic school.

[wango]

Kimbo, in high school in the early 70’s out in Chicago, teachers/coaches could still strike you. We had a smoking lounge outside, next to the school. Corporal punishment by parents was not frowned upon. Now, prior to retirement we had one-two mandatory trainings per year for both suicide prevention and child abuse. We had a “wellness center” on campus where if kids felt so much as “bummed out” they could miss class and hang out there instead. I’m glad I’m retired from it. BTW, that does not mean I endorse corporal punishment or child abuse, it’s just regarding kids safety (physically, mentally & socially) it’s crazy in the educational setting in this day & age.

[Mooseman33]

which way do you think worked better Wango?

if you had to pick one, which system was better for the growth long term of the student?

[XnavyHMCS]

Kimbo, in high school in the early 70’s out in Chicago, teachers/coaches could still strike you. We had a smoking lounge outside, next to the school. Corporal punishment by parents was not frowned upon. Now, prior to retirement we had one-two mandatory trainings per year for both suicide prevention and child abuse. We had a “wellness center” on campus where if kids felt so much as “bummed out” they could miss class and hang out there instead. I’m glad I’m retired from it. BTW, that does not mean I endorse corporal punishment or child abuse, it’s just regarding kids safety (physically, mentally & socially) it’s crazy in the educational setting in this day & age.

"Alright...!!! It's the wango tango; one two three four...."

The good ol'days...!!!

Ahhhhh, I duly recall, "the board of education", of which, I was quite well acquainted as a young lad...

[wango]

which way do you think worked better Wango?

if you had to pick one, which system was better for the growth long term of the student?

Somewhere much closer to old-school days honestly. Teachers shouldn’t touch kids, nor threaten them with violence, but there has to be firmer discipline & more consequences for breaking rules. And my Gawd, try to be your kids parent more than you’re trying to be their best buddy. If the parents aren’t on your side, it’s a losing cause.

Man with all of this social media, it’s amazing more kids aren’t addicts or off themselves. Think of the dust ups we have here and we’re adults. The kids are merciless on fellow kids and seriously are going for the jugular. Here we have administration that does a great job, with kids they have no where to turn sometimes. As much as our school’s “wellness center” was a point of contention with some teachers because it does get abused, it really was a necessity to some of our students because they are living in a world of shit.

My wife and I thank each other regularly for our decision to not have kids.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

My wife and I thank each other regularly for our decision to not have kids.

Some people would call that, 'playing it safe'. At the very least I wouldn't raise a child in the same town where I grew up, I'd at least move to a nice area with nice schools.

[wango]

Some people would call that, 'playing it safe'. At the very least I wouldn't raise a child in the same town where I grew up, I'd at least move to a nice area with nice schools.

Agreed, but honestly we both saw eye to eye with not wanting the responsibility, cost or time needed to raise a child. No regrets, but our parents had issues because of the no grand-kid thing.

[clarky.]

I'm about 20 years out of highschool now, and I can look back on some of the situations in the classroom with more knowledge than I had back then, and I consider in some situations, did the school phone social services?

When we were about 13 years old, one guy came into class with a big circular burn on the left cheek of his face. I heard people saying "He tried to iron his shirt while it was on him". Then a little while later, the vice-principal of the school appeared in the room, and his attention was on the guy with the burn. I mean broadly speaking there were only two possibilities:
1) He actually put a hot clothing iron to his face, in which case he had to be reported for self-harm.
2) He had a cover-up story for what somebody else did to him

In either case, the vice principal must have been obligated to inform social services. Then again though, it was a Catholic school.

[Test Monsterone]

I remember in high school kids making teachers cry. I so wanted to beat their asses, but I'd be the one in trouble at that point. I felt terrible for the poor teachers. I eventually dated a girl who became a special needs teacher and I became even more compassionate toward people in this profession. I think every teacher should be making at least 100k a year. No lie, one of the hardest jobs... my gf taught in a bad area and half of the kids were raised by their grandparents, the other half by drug addicts. One of her kids slept on a mattress that was on a dirty floor in a basement with holes in the walls... we saw it because the kid started a youtube channel and told her about it. His parents would lock him in there by himself. We called CYS and I don't think anything was done about it. She had a little girl who died because her mom was a piece of shit crackhead and let her drown when she was getting high. Teachers see so much and deal with so much.

Personally, I think kids that misbehave should not be allowed in school. If you can't hit them, then send them home and their parents can deal with them. And when people say "well they're probably abused at home so they take it out on other kids at school," then they'll get more abused at home... so that should be an incentive to behave while at school. Most of these kids are just mean little shitheads that need punched in their stupid ass heads.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Personally, I think kids that misbehave should not be allowed in school. If you can't hit them, then send them home and their parents can deal with them. And when people say "well they're probably abused at home so they take it out on other kids at school," then they'll get more abused at home... so that should be an incentive to behave while at school. Most of these kids are just mean little shitheads that need punched in their stupid ass heads.

I grew up in one of the suburbs of the capital county of Ireland. Within a radius of 0.75 miles, there's half a dozen schools for kids aged 12 - 18.

There's the Irish-language-speaking school which produces a few medical doctors every year -- my parents would have sent me to this school if they had any aspirations of their kids having a nice life.
There's the school I went to which is nowhere near as good as the Irish one, but it isn't a complete warzone either.
After my school, all the rest are pretty bad... in one of the other schools, one kid was getting bullied and then in the woodwork room they used a nailgun to nail him to the wall through the shoulders.

If the 'standard of behaviour' is pretty good in a school then they should just expel the kids that ruin it for everyone else. But if you're dealing with a school where the standard of behaviour is low........ well you can't expel all of them. They wouldn't have a school. So they have a shit school instead of not having a school at all.