Should you risk a second disabled child?

[Fluidic Kimbo]

For any given couple, the risk of having a disabled child is 2%.

So even if you got Serena Williams and Michael Phelps together 15 years ago, you're still looking at only about 98% certainty of a healthy child.

If a couple has already had a disabled child together then would you consider it child endangerment for them to deliberately have another natural child? Should this couple adopt their next child?

Personally I do consider it to be child endangerment. I don't even think that they should get a surrogate mother unless they are are certain from DNA testing that the the condition came from the mother's genes. Even in these cases I would be a bit iffy about re-using sperm that contributed to a disabled child in the past.

They should adopt.

[Cuz]

You need help

[Fluidic Kimbo]

You need help

You mean like a publisher or agent?

[BG]

Ive had thoughts like this but not about being disabled, but addiction wise and physiological. I believe God (Yahweh) stopped my fathers blood line. My brother past before my 18th birthday and my wife had to have a hysterectomy at 27, early in our relationship. But I was already afraid, my father has very bad alcohol issues left us when I was 9 , I love chemicals and my wifes family has mental problems. We didnt want kids anyways, but sometimes you get the urge for them, then I think back to all our family issues. I would really be worried what my kids would be like.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

I don't believe in behavioural genetics in humans -- even when it comes to addiction. I think that the role models we observe, and the emotional reactions we experience, in our first 10 years of life are a much greater determiner of how we'll turn out, than any personality traits that are passed on through DNA.

I believe in behavioural genetics in dogs though -- e.g. poodle Vs pitbull -- but I still think you can make a poodle domineering.

If you've already had one child who will never be able to take care of themselves when they grow up, then I think it's very selfish to go do that second time.

[BG]

I don't believe in behavioural genetics in humans -- even when it comes to addiction. I think that the role models we observe, and the emotional reactions we experience, in our first 10 years of life are a much greater determiner of how we'll turn out, than any personality traits that are passed on through DNA.

I believe in behavioural genetics in dogs though -- e.g. poodle Vs pitbull -- but I still think you can make a poodle domineering.

If you've already had one child who will never be able to take care of themselves when they grow up, then I think it's very selfish to go do that second time.

You may think that but apple doesnt usually fall far from the tree. All it would take is something to trigger it, the all those bad habits would come to play. Almost everyone I know has their parents bad habits, one way or another. May have had something to do with observations, but thats life, you grow up around them and end up being like them whether you like it or not.

[Cuz]

You mean like a publisher or agent?

Thankfully since you don’t reproduce, you wouldn’t understand my comment. i am going to respectfully say you and I and everyone else should leave that decision up to the couple. Absolutely nobody should try and tell a man and a woman what to do about child bearing options whether it be natural artificial insemination or adoption. That is for them and them only to decide. One of the most absurd things ive ever heard.

[almostgone]

Thankfully since you don’t reproduce, you wouldn’t understand my comment. i am going to respectfully say you and I and everyone else should leave that decision up to the couple. Absolutely nobody should try and tell a man and a woman what to do about child bearing options whether it be natural artificial insemination or adoption. That is for them and them only to decide. One of the most absurd things ive ever heard.

I tend to agree, Cuz.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Cuz, if my wife and I have a healthy baby, but then I get a lump hammer and hit it softly in the head about 20 times per day for the first 3 weeks of its life to make it retarded, I reckon you'd be one of the first people to tell me that I'm a bad person and that what I did wasn't a moral thing to do.

However if my wife and I have disastrous genetics with a high probability of mental retardation, and if we have a retarded child, then is this very different to the first scenario I describe in the above paragraph?

[Fluidic Kimbo]

You may think that but apple doesnt usually fall far from the tree. All it would take is something to trigger it, the all those bad habits would come to play. Almost everyone I know has their parents bad habits, one way or another. May have had something to do with observations, but thats life, you grow up around them and end up being like them whether you like it or not.

Abuse runs in families, independently of DNA-mandated personality traits.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

I mean one of these

[almostgone]

Cuz, if my wife and I have a healthy baby, but then I get a lump hammer and hit it softly in the head about 20 times per day for the first 3 weeks of its life to make it retarded, I reckon you'd be one of the first people to tell me that I'm a bad person and that what I did wasn't a moral thing to do.

However if my wife and I have disastrous genetics with a high probability of mental retardation, and if we have a retarded child, then is this very different to the first scenario I describe in the above paragraph?

The term for that is eugenics. It assumes you can predict the future through genetic manipulation. It tends to work in simpler species, but not so much in humans.

It's very difficult to discern the factors that determine people's traits whether through environmental influences or genetic factors.

We would give up a lot of individual freedom and place a lot of trust in a system that adheres to the practice.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

The term for that is eugenics. It assumes you can predict the future through genetic manipulation. It tends to work in simpler species, but not so much in humans.

It's very difficult to discern the factors that determine people's traits whether through environmental influences or genetic factors.

We would give up a lot of individual freedom and place a lot of trust in a system that adheres to the practice.

You make good points here.

I think there are limits to any human's freedom in a society. Detriment and harm (both to one's self and to others) is permitted up until a point, and then the authorities step in.

Having a child that has poor vision and who will need to wear spectacles isn't a big deal. But having a child that is 100% blind is really something that should be prevented if possible.

I do think there comes a point when a pregnancy should not be allowed to happen, for example if the child will almost certainly be very disabled either physically or mentally or physiologically.

[Cuz]

I know you want me to bite so bad you cant stand it kimbo, but not this time hehe

[Test Monsterone]

I knew a couple in their mid-40's who had two boys, 2 years apart, both with severe autism - non-verbal. They were a horror to be around. They needed attention non-stop because they would constantly be doing something they shouldn't be doing. On top of that, they would have screaming fits of rage; they would destroy everything, play with their shit, wake their parents up in the middle of the night, run away naked in their neighborhood, etc. The parents still loved their kids, however, and that's what counts at the end of the day. It's easy to say what I would do, but I'm not in their shoes. I'm sure they thought the second child would turn out ok, and it must have been a huge disappointment to find out the two are equally disabled.

Nobody wants their children to have disabilities. Personally, if there was a reliable way to determine this sort of thing in the first trimester, I would opt for an abortion. I don't have any religious beliefs or fear of going to hell, so it's a practical matter for me, not a spiritual/religious one.

[XnavyHMCS]

You mean like a publisher or agent?

LMFAO!!!!!

Nearly drenched myself (not while watching porn, and drenching would be a gross exaggeration considering my age and the gear effects) reading that one...!!!

[XnavyHMCS]

Thankfully since you don’t reproduce, you wouldn’t understand my comment. i am going to respectfully say you and I and everyone else should leave that decision up to the couple. Absolutely nobody should try and tell a man and a woman what to do about child bearing options whether it be natural artificial insemination or adoption. That is for them and them only to decide. One of the most absurd things ive ever heard.

Come on Cuz...

You been a member here for some time; of course you have heard more absurd things coming from the guys here...

[Gallowmere]

Thankfully since you don’t reproduce, you wouldn’t understand my comment. i am going to respectfully say you and I and everyone else should leave that decision up to the couple. Absolutely nobody should try and tell a man and a woman what to do about child bearing options whether it be natural artificial insemination or adoption. That is for them and them only to decide. One of the most absurd things ive ever heard.

I agree, up to a point. The issue is that, 9/10 times, a fully disabled child ends up being a societal burden that no one volunteered for, once the parents are gone. It’s a difficult line to draw, and not one that I would ever recommend be enforced by force (eugenics laws are bullshit), but I do have to acknowledge that intentionally poisoning the well of the species is pretty fucked up, especially when you can be pretty confident that such is exactly what you’re doing.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

If a couple has an autistic child then I definitely don't think that they should have a second natural child.

[Cuz]

Come on Cuz...

You been a member here for some time; of course you have heard more absurd things coming from the guys here...

Hang around a few more years bud, then you will see what im talkin about. Everything this guy spews is garbage, brings no knowledge or value to the forum whatsoever. Probably has 12” arms lol matter fact the last thing he posted that I remember even slightly relevant to a steroid forum was asking about “clen for a pot belly”...

Come on X navy...

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Probably has 12” arms lol matter fact the last thing he posted that I remember even slightly relevant to a steroid forum was asking about “clen for a pot belly”...

Yeah but there's something you're not taking into account, Cuz.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Three years later after starting this thread, I've made my mind up on the topic.

Three days ago I had the foster services out to my house to assess me to be a carer, and I had a long discussion for a few hours with the assessor.

We chatted about children with special needs. I told her about how I had an autistic friend in his late 20's, and I told her that he's from a family of 5 children, and that 3 of those 5 are autistic. I expressed my opinion that you can't blame parents for having one disabled child, or even for having two disabled children in quick succession. But to have one autistic child and to know that they're autistic, and then to have a second autistic child and to know that they're autistic, and then to have a third autistic child. The assessor and I agreed that that's child abuse. Basically we summed it up as follows:

If you know that you're a carrier, you shouldn't willingly pass that on to a child

It is child abuse to willingly give a child a disability by giving them your bad genetics.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

I knew a couple in their mid-40's who had two boys, 2 years apart, both with severe autism - non-verbal. They were a horror to be around. They needed attention non-stop because they would constantly be doing something they shouldn't be doing. On top of that, they would have screaming fits of rage; they would destroy everything, play with their shit, wake their parents up in the middle of the night, run away naked in their neighborhood, etc.

One of my closest friends has a 7yr old autistic daughter who is nearly non-verbal (she only mutters a word here and there).

2 or 3 days a week, they go to get her up out of bed, and she has pooed the bed and smeared it everywhere around the room.

They can't go on holidays or even take her out to a café.

[Honkey_Kong]

To answer your question, Kimbo. No, your parents shouldn't risk having another bat-shit crazy kid that's going to grow up to be on disability. It's bad enough they brought you in to the world.

[Mooseman33]

first, you have no friends.
second, nobody likes you but prox.
Third, the life u speak of is complete lies, complete bullshit all the way around.
fourth, no way in hell anyone would ever let you foster anything so cut the bullshit.

[< <Samson> >]

How did I miss this masterpiece

I’m at this question rn a bit - back off the juice. Didn’t tell my PCP, she puts me on 200mg weekly - I asked for 300, jokingly. She said 200, maybe then 300 < oh wtf

My test is bottomed out & my last total test came back at 175. I do want another kid, 1st is great - I’ll just carry on in this mega dose of Clomid & see where it goes

[Honkey_Kong]

If only we could go back in time and give Kimbo's mum a "morning after" pill.

[s1nc1ty]

If only we could go back in time and give Kimbo's mum a "morning after" pill.

We need to send Cuz back in time to make Kimbos mom take the pill or terminate her

[Fluidic Kimbo]

We need to send Cuz back in time to make Kimbos mom take the pill or terminate her

Cuz is unsuitable for this role. Whereas I can run 5k in approx 21 minutes, Cuz can run 5k in myocardial infarction.

[Honkey_Kong]

Cuz is unsuitable for this role. Whereas I can run 5k in approx 21 minutes, Cuz can run 5k in myocardial infarction.

Kimbo, you took tren for 10 years at like a gram of week and you still look like Uncle Fester and 1RM on the squat at 100kg. I'd bet a million British pounds Cuz could walk 5k faster than you could run it.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Kimbo, you took tren for 10 years at like a gram of week and you still look like Uncle Fester and 1RM on the squat at 100kg. I'd bet a million British pounds Cuz could walk 5k faster than you could run it.

Dude, I'm happy with my 100kg squat. I myself weigh about 65kg, and I'm 5'3". I run 2 or 3 half-marathons a month, and my PB for a half-marathon is 1 hour 43 minutes.

If I give up running and boxing and dedicate myself to my squat then I could probably get the weight up to about 150kg (330 lbs). I've made the decision though to stay at 100kg while I enjoy boxing and running. 100kg isn't good enough for you, but it is for me.

Some people you only need to glance at them and you know they can't run 5k, much less a half-marathon (which is 13.1 miles or 21 kilometres). Cuz would incur a cardiac event if he were to attempt to keep up with fitness regimen, guaranteed. But Cuz has different goals from me, and that's okay.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

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I realise that this is a forum populated mainly by bodybuilders and powerlifters, and of course I'm familiar with the stereotypical psychological dispositions as well as levels of intelligence and intellectualism among such people. . . . but really. . . . how far will you go with this line?

Can you contribute anything of worth to the original debate?

Do you have an opinion either way on whether parents should semi-deliberately have disabled kids?

[wango]

Can you contribute anything of worth to the original debate?

Do you have an opinion either way on whether parents should semi-deliberately have disabled kids?

Your choice of topics continues to amuse me . . . .

As you appear to be sincere regarding this topic (one can never tell with you FK), here are two excellent books to read. After Hitler, any notion of controlling the “quality” of the population is taboo in this era of political correctness. Previous to him however, as late as the 1920s, your line of thought would have been well accepted as sterilization was really ramping up into the tens of thousands.

[lovbyts]

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Clearly she agrees with FK and after he was hatched didnt want to risk another mistake.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

As you appear to be sincere regarding this topic (one can never tell with you FK)

I am sincere on this one, thank you.

Here are two excellent books to read. After Hitler, any notion of controlling the “quality” of the population is taboo in this era of political correctness. Previous to him however, as late as the 1920s, your line of thought would have been well accepted as sterilization was really ramping up into the tens of thousands.

I get what your're saying here about what Hitler did.

For the time being I'm not seeking a change in the law to make sterilisation mandatory. But I am saying that I myself won't commit the child abuse of passing on my shit genes.

I have two cousins and one nephew who have a disease, and I have the disease too. One of my cousins and also my nephew are severely affected and will never be able to look after themselves properly. My other cousin is mildly affected and will really have to make an effort to live independently. I got off lightly, I have the mildest of mildest of mildest cases, but I am of course a carrier, so I won't pass it on.

I had a follow-up with the specialist who diagnosed me, but after I sent her an email saying I think I should get a vasectomy, she never replied to me again. The next time I showed up at her office for my scheduled appointment, the office was closed and nobody answered when I knocked on the door.

Two years ago I had a legal matter and so I asked my solicitor to contact the aforementioned specialist to get a report, but she never replied.

So yesterday I made the decision to lodge a formal complaint against the specialist. I typed it up and sent it yesterday. This might get interesting.

[lovbyts]

I am sincere on this one, thank you.



I get what your're saying here about what Hitler did.

For the time being I'm not seeking a change in the law to make sterilisation mandatory. But I am saying that I myself won't commit the child abuse of passing on my shit genes.

I have two cousins and one nephew who have a disease, and I have the disease too. One of my cousins and also my nephew are severely affected and will never be able to look after themselves properly. My other cousin is mildly affected and will really have to make an effort to live independently. I got off lightly, I have the mildest of mildest of mildest cases, but I am of course a carrier, so I won't pass it on.

I had a follow-up with the specialist who diagnosed me, but after I sent her an email saying I think I should get a vasectomy, she never replied to me again. The next time I showed up at her office for my scheduled appointment, the office was closed and nobody answered when I knocked on the door.

Two years ago I had a legal matter and so I asked my solicitor to contact the aforementioned specialist to get a report, but she never replied.

So yesterday I made the decision to lodge a formal complaint against the specialist. I typed it up and sent it yesterday. This might get interesting.

You misspelled Lobotomy

[Euroholic]

Abortion is murder!!! You may as well walk up to a kid in the street and pull out a 1911 and take his head off because it is the exact same thing as sucking his brains out in the womb.

If the child is born disabled just let the chips fall where they may and deal with it.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Abortion is murder!!! You may as well walk up to a kid in the street and pull out a 1911 and take his head off because it is the exact same thing as sucking his brains out in the womb.

If the child is born disabled just let the chips fall where they may and deal with it.

I'm not talking about aborting the foetuses that will turn out disabled. I'm talking about preventing pregnancy in cases where the baby would turn out disabled.

I won't inflict my bad genes on an innocent child.

Letting the chips fall where they may is immoral if you know that they're bad chips, and furthermore if you can control the chips in such a way that the child will be able to take care of themselves and have a nice life rather than going in their wheelchair to appointments with psychiatrists in between their epileptic fits.

[Honkey_Kong]

I'm not talking about aborting the foetuses that will turn out disabled. I'm talking about preventing pregnancy in cases where the baby would turn out disabled.

I won't inflict my bad genes on an innocent child.

Letting the chips fall where they may is immoral if you know that they're bad chips, and furthermore if you can control the chips in such a way that the child will be able to take care of themselves and have a nice life rather than going in their wheelchair to appointments with psychiatrists in between their epileptic fits.

You don't have to worry about inflicting your bad genes on innocent children, you creepy incel. You don't have a dog in the game, so your opinion means absolutely nothing. Can't you just do your retarded psycho trolls over on some other forum?

[s1nc1ty]

Abortion is murder!!! You may as well walk up to a kid in the street and pull out a 1911 and take his head off because it is the exact same thing as sucking his brains out in the womb.

If the child is born disabled just let the chips fall where they may and deal with it.

Like there isnt already more then enough people in the world. Might as well make jerking off a murder too