HCG in this cycle.

[Gmill13]

Hey guys, kind of confused about HCG.

I am under the impression that 500ius 2x weekly is good and some say 5000 ius a week. Some have even suggested running hcg throughout cycle.

This cycle will shut me down hard. Tren always shuts me down.
How would you guys run HCG with this?

I would love some expert advice on this matter. I have never used HCG before.

1-4 Prop @ 500

1-15 Test E(ICN) @ 500

1-15 EQ @ 600

7-16 Tren @75mg/ED
(a suggestion from mudman in previous post about this cycle made me stop the tren 2 weeks prior to prop, sounds like a good idea, thanks)

13-18 Winny @ 50mg/ED
(I have used bothWinny and Tren alone and together, they do compliment one another)

16-18 Prop @ 100mg/ED

1-21 Nolva @20mg/ED if needed.

19-21 PCT

L'dex 0.5 mg/EOD

I will be doing 3 small T3 cycles throughout.

4-6
10-12
16-18 T3

25 y/o. 7 years training/190lbs/14%bf. 3.5 cycles under the belt.

[Gmill13]

Heres what I am thinking, HCG 500ius ED for 20 days starting same day as pct.

[toolman]

Heres what I am thinking, HCG 500ius ED for 20 days starting same day as pct.

I just ran hcg 2 x a week during my last 16 week cycle and I was extremely happy with the results. I had no shrinkage whatsoever and am in the process of the easiest recovery I have ever had.

[Pheedno]

1. Needa longer PCT if your going 20wks. At least a 1/4 of the time you are on. Make sure to run Nolva and your AI alongside clomid
2. Cut the final T3 cycle out, you don't want a lagging thyroid when trying to recover HPTA
3. I'd run HCG @ 500iu;s every Mon/Tues from wk10-19

[BUYLONGTERM]

Heres what I am thinking, HCG 500ius ED for 20 days starting same day as pct.

You do NOt want to run HCG and Clomid at the sametime!!!!

[Pheedno]

You do NOt want to run HCG and Clomid at the sametime!!!!

Good catch BLT, I didn't see that.
Yes Gmill, he is correct, HCG inhibits recovery when taken in conjunction with your SERM

[Gmill13]

sO I will take it a week earlier and end it a week earlier than you suggested. I will just run t3 then for a straight 6 weeks in the begining, Thank you guys for the help thats awesome.

How would you recomend my pct ?

Its only an 18 weeker. would i go 300 for 10 days, 100 for 10 days and then taper down for another 10?

[Pheedno]

I would use:

100mg Clomid
20mg Nolva
.25mg L-dex
300mg B6

all for 30 days

[johnsomebody]

I'm a major shrinker myself and I'm using 500iu every 3 days on a Prop/Var cycle.

The reason you don't want to use HCG during or after Clomid is cuz it increases your own test production and you need your test levels to be low when you start Clomid. HCG has a pretty short half life (I've forgotten exactly what it is) so you only need to wait 2 or 3 days after your last shot to start Clomid.

It's also HPTA suppressive in and of itself which is why you don't want it after Clomid, when you're trying to revive your own LH production.

There's a post somewhere here by an expert saying 500iu eod is not too much if you're on a hard cycle. (Actually he says 250iu/day.)

Larger doses can cause gyno due to the test spike it causes and the estrogen generated by it. I see lots of recommendations to take Nolva with HCG for that reason.

[Gmill13]

Thanks for the replies guys, I will take your advice on the pct and HCG. It all makes more sense to me know.

I amassuming the b6 is for Fina pct correct? also is it injectable or oral?

Thanks again guys.

[Pheedno]

B6 is oral, and I use it with any PCT, no matter tren inclusion or not. Throughout cycle if tren is in

[Al "M.F" Vincent]

:-(
I give up on trying to understand HCG

TEST, TEST, TEST!!!

[Gmill13]

Thanks again Pheedno, you have been a big Help. I looked into that B6 a bit and it looks great. Thank you for everything.

Gmill13