4,200 mg of test cyp per week?

[Eddie8]

I had a conversation with an old friend today that was one of the most awesome guys in the gym from 1973 to 1989. He had great mass and strength...he was 5'11" about 250 and very lean....had a 545 Bench and squat over 745 for reps with form. I asked him how much he was on back then. He said just a few cc's of test, nothing really big compared to the other guys. What he meant was 3-1cc shots of Test cyp 200 PER DAY, along with some d-bol!!! He would also cycle in some anavar or tren when he was trying to get in shape. His off cycle was 400mg of cyp a week. He said he was taking d-bol at age 15. I have seen some of our members pictures on this board and many look great but few look like this guy did. He was never a national level competitor, but I know he had the strength that few do. My question is, do you have to take this much stuff to get the kind of results in strength and mass that he did? I know a lot of people that take less, they do cycles more in line with what is posted on this board but they don’t look like he did. BTY he is now clean and has no health problems that he knows of at 46...he lived like this for 15 to 20 years. He considers his AAS use to have been a big problem in his life.

[dirtdawg]

4 g's of test ew is alot

[twosocks40]

A problem? I wouldn't consider it a problem if I was 250 lbs and ripped. Maybe he didn't need that much to make those kind of gains but hind sight is alway 20/20. EH?


-B

[Eddie8]

A problem? I wouldn't consider it a problem if I was 250 lbs and ripped. Maybe he didn't need that much to make those kind of gains but hind sight is alway 20/20. EH?


-B

Yea, I know what you mean. To the more experienced members on this bord though, do you have to step up like he did to get what he had or was it over kill as you suggest.

[dirtdawg]

Yea, I know what you mean. To the more experienced members on this bord though, do you have to step up like he did to get what he had or was it over kill as you suggest.

i think it is overkill shooting cyp ed, he ran cyp like prop

[50%Natural]

A problem? I wouldn't consider it a problem if I was 250 lbs and ripped. Maybe he didn't need that much to make those kind of gains but hind sight is alway 20/20. EH?


-B

texans don't say 'eh'

[dirtdawg]

texans don't say 'eh'

maybe he is originally from canada

[kronik]

texans don't say 'eh'

and no one in there right mind should take 4200mg Test cyp EW IMO...

[dirtdawg]

and no one in there right mind should take 4200mg Test cyp EW IMO...

and shoot it ed

[Eddie8]

and shoot it ed

He shot it 3 times per day.....

[kronik]

and no one in there right mind should take 4200mg Test cyp EW IMO...

fuk that is not even an IMO reply, its just plain dumb...

[dirtdawg]

fuk that is not even an IMO reply, its just plain dumb...

he must have no nuts

[twosocks40]

texans don't say 'eh'

Who said I was from texas???


-B

[NITRO121]

Didn't Flex's book say something like "I don't want to tell people what I did or they might try it...but to get ready for a show I'd spend 10grand in gear"....that didn't include what he was running year round. He also said something to the effect that he was popping dbol by the handful around 19/20 years old. So even 5mgs a pill I'll assume 20/30 pills a day, that's over a gram of gear in dbol a week. I've seen ronnie coleman up close...biggest thing I've ever seen, bigger than I imagined....heck yeah, he's pumping 10grams a week in him....sleep and diet don't do that to you.

Peace,
Nitro

[map200uk]

lol **** thats a lot

problems? yet u said he's fine

why was it a problem?

[Eddie8]

lol **** thats a lot

problems? yet u said he's fine

why was it a problem?

He said he considered it a problem in his life.....agression, training was the only thing that mattered.....things like that

[BlocRoc]

I dont remember who posted it, but the statement was to the effect that...
"...amazing thing happen at 2g plus of test a week..."

I would say that its not crazy or unbelievable, but it is definitely an advanced level of gear usage.

There is some truth to it as well... Regardless of what people have to say about keeping test at about 500-750mg EW.

There is truth to the statement that the more you use the better the results are, but this doesnt apply to every newbee that thinks that they should do 1g to begin with every week.

L8

[ColdSore]

I dont remember who posted it, but the statement was to the effect that...
"...amazing thing happen at 2g plus of test a week..."

I would say that its not crazy or unbelievable, but it is definitely an advanced level of gear usage.

There is some truth to it as well... Regardless of what people have to say about keeping test at about 500-750mg EW.

There is truth to the statement that the more you use the better the results are, but this doesnt apply to every newbee that thinks that they should do 1g to begin with every week.

L8

i can tell you one thing and thats there is a BIG difference in 500mg ew and a gram plus...

but 4.2 grams a week seems a little far fetched...

[BlocRoc]

i can tell you one thing and thats there is a BIG difference in 500mg ew and a gram plus...

but 4.2 grams a week seems a little far fetched...

Im not saying that I agree with forcing almost 4.5g of hormones in the body weekly, I am just admitting that there is some truth in the MORE IS BETTER, when it comes to gear, or at least at the advanced levels.

And yes, 4.2 grams does sound a bit extreme. Which is a world away from 2g EW.

But, if you were willing to take the pain of poking daily and injecting that much oil into the body, and were aware of the potential risks... IT is possible to do, not easily, I TOTALLY understand that, but it is possible.

L8

[ColdSore]

Im not saying that I agree with forcing almost 4.5g of hormones in the body weekly, I am just admitting that there is some truth in the MORE IS BETTER, when it comes to gear, or at least at the advanced levels.

And yes, 4.2 grams does sound a bit extreme. Which is a world away from 2g EW.

But, if you were willing to take the pain of poking daily and injecting that much oil into the body, and were aware of the potential risks... IT is possible to do, not easily, I TOTALLY understand that, but it is possible.

L8

yeah i was agreeing with you, and just shareing my thought of to some extent more is better...

it wouldnt be imposible...i was putting a total of 4cc's in me a day for the first 4 weeks of the cycle im ending up now...injections 2 times ed...but it could be done for sure...

i just think he may have his numbers messed up somewhere...like the guy meant something diff than what he said, or eddie didnt interpret what he said correctly

[Eddie8]

yeah i was agreeing with you, and just shareing my thought of to some extent more is better...

it wouldnt be imposible...i was putting a total of 4cc's in me a day for the first 4 weeks of the cycle im ending up now...injections 2 times ed...but it could be done for sure...

i just think he may have his numbers messed up somewhere...like the guy meant something diff than what he said, or eddie didnt interpret what he said correctly

I appreciate your thoughts....It was kind of funny. I told him I was on a cycle and I asked him how much he took back then. He said, "you know a lot of people thought I took a lot of drugs but I didn’t really take much, just a few CC's. So we talked about some dosages that I was on and he looked kind of puzzled and finally said "I was taking 3 cc's per day in 1 cc shots in my calves, pecs, biceps, lats. My legs would get so sore. My interpretation is spot on. I had heard rumors he was taking that much back then and until today I thought that possibly I heard it wrong or my memory wasn’t so good. To be honest, I don’t think he really understood how much he was taking back then. He got into training by some national level competitors and he just took what they said he needed to take, as I said D-bol at age 15.

[kingofmasters]

Im not saying that I agree with forcing almost 4.5g of hormones in the body weekly, I am just admitting that there is some truth in the MORE IS BETTER, when it comes to gear, or at least at the advanced levels.

And yes, 4.2 grams does sound a bit extreme. Which is a world away from 2g EW.

But, if you were willing to take the pain of poking daily and injecting that much oil into the body, and were aware of the potential risks... IT is possible to do, not easily, I TOTALLY understand that, but it is possible.

L8

I don't agree with you!,
especially since he is talking about 4,2 grams a week of ONE compound.
(not total 4,2 grams a week of all sorts of steroids that complement each other or are synergistical if dosed at the same time)

Remember recommended dosages mostly are based on EFFICIENCY:
Meaning: Most Gains with the Least Sides

Note with this is offcourse most gains with least sides for a Certain Goal (why dosages of Test we use, are far higher then used for Men on HRT)

I don't think that unless you are at the level of PRO's, you need 4 grams of Test; Even 4 grams of all sorts of compounds is way much (I use about 2 grams if doing Test/Tren/boldenon/DHT-oral cycle )...

The sides wouldn't justify the minimal extra gains.

Greets
Kingofmasters

P.S. As a medical specialist, I just wanted to tell the person who started this thread and said that the bro is healthy, yes perhaps he STILL is!
(I can guarantee you that if what he says is true; about continous usage with such high doses on cycle that his Hypothalamus and Hypofyse are all screwed up, meaning he is probably impotent and infertile and has morec moodswings than a pregnant woman during hormoneswings, but what is more important is that he is hiding his health problems from you, or he will soon discover the stress he put his body on --> Most people like him won't live past 50 especially the NON-pros who aren't constantly monitored by doctors)

[Warrior]

I don't agree with you!,
especially since he is talking about 4,2 grams a week of ONE compound.
(not total 4,2 grams a week of all sorts of steroids that complement each other or are synergistical if dosed at the same time)

Remember recommended dosages mostly are based on EFFICIENCY:
Meaning: Most Gains with the Least Sides

Note with this is offcourse most gains with least sides for a Certain Goal (why dosages of Test we use, are far higher then used for Men on HRT)

I don't think that unless you are at the level of PRO's, you need 4 grams of Test; Even 4 grams of all sorts of compounds is way much (I use about 2 grams if doing Test/Tren/boldenon/DHT-oral cycle )...

The sides wouldn't justify the minimal extra gains.

Greets
Kingofmasters

P.S. As a medical specialist, I just wanted to tell the person who started this thread and said that the bro is healthy, yes perhaps he STILL is!
(I can guarantee you that if what he says is true; about continous usage with such high doses on cycle that his Hypothalamus and Hypofyse are all screwed up, meaning he is probably impotent and infertile and has morec moodswings than a pregnant woman during hormoneswings, but what is more important is that he is hiding his health problems from you, or he will soon discover the stress he put his body on --> Most people like him won't live past 50 especially the NON-pros who aren't constantly monitored by doctors)

yes sir

[Eddie8]

I don't agree with you!,
especially since he is talking about 4,2 grams a week of ONE compound.
(not total 4,2 grams a week of all sorts of steroids that complement each other or are synergistical if dosed at the same time)

Remember recommended dosages mostly are based on EFFICIENCY:
Meaning: Most Gains with the Least Sides

Note with this is offcourse most gains with least sides for a Certain Goal (why dosages of Test we use, are far higher then used for Men on HRT)

I don't think that unless you are at the level of PRO's, you need 4 grams of Test; Even 4 grams of all sorts of compounds is way much (I use about 2 grams if doing Test/Tren/boldenon/DHT-oral cycle )...

The sides wouldn't justify the minimal extra gains.

Greets
Kingofmasters

P.S. As a medical specialist, I just wanted to tell the person who started this thread and said that the bro is healthy, yes perhaps he STILL is!
(I can guarantee you that if what he says is true; about continous usage with such high doses on cycle that his Hypothalamus and Hypofyse are all screwed up, meaning he is probably impotent and infertile and has morec moodswings than a pregnant woman during hormoneswings, but what is more important is that he is hiding his health problems from you, or he will soon discover the stress he put his body on --> Most people like him won't live past 50 especially the NON-pros who aren't constantly monitored by doctors)

King...Thanks for your thoughts on this, I am the guy that started this thread and I appreciate your theories. What I was looking for and did receive on this post were responses from Bros that "actually had experience" in taking or having specific knowledge of friends that have taken these amounts of Test. Of course I have no way of knowing truly what kind of health my friend is in as you mentioned, some 15 years after taking these amounts of Test but I do know he is not infertile, has 2 kids, and he looks good. Theory tells us all the things you say but he took D-bol and a sh*t load of other things from the age of 15. Your theories tell us he should be totally fu*ked up, but he is not and he went on from 15 years old and performed well through his body building phase of life for 20 years. If you look at pics of Arnold when he was 18, logic tells me he too took AAS at 15 or so, even though we all want to think it was genetics because it is Arnold but I doubt it. As far as the mood swings that you mentioned, my friend had those when he was on 4g a week, he seems much more mellow now and still has the same wife for 23 years. I think that we are naive to think that the pros only take large dosages after they are big enough to be pro.....how do you think that they are the one in a million that got there in the first place. It is a win at all costs attitude, a total disregard for conventional wisdom and for most I think a lack of knowledge to what they are doing that most on this board do not posses, myself included. If you read between the lines on these posts to this thread you will discover from the bros that have taken these amounts and those who know others that have too, that this is probably what it takes to climb to the big time, they don’t just start once they get there. As far as "minimal gains" for the increased dosage, I think that you are fooling yourself. Try stratospheric gains for the increased dosage and probably minimal additional sides based on what I hear, although there are exceptions. I as you, think that some have health problems at an older age that have done this. Arnold’s heart surgery probably wasn’t the result of a weak untrained heart or a sedentary life style, but who knows for sure. The things that you speak of are more theory because you have no one to test at these levels of intake (at least I don’t think you do) because the guys that have taken these levels of AAS generally wont admit to it, you can only speculate what will happen. If we all had the same poor tolerance for these drugs that the theories tell us we do, then all of the pros would die because all of them take these types of dosages as I see it. Also if you think that Arnold, Franco, Sergio, Katz, Grymkowski and such were monitored by doctors you are nuts. I happen to know one of these guys and they shot and ate any type of AAS they could get their hands on whenever they could get it early in their careers as body builders. The cycle that they chose was based purely on what they could get their hands on and they would try anything because they didn’t care about the risks. If these dosages that we all consider to be “safe” and “logical” were the amounts that every body builder took then we would all look like pros, or they would all look like us, regardless of genetics. The guys with the superior genetics would still win the shows but we would all be freaks and we are not. I think what I have learned from this thread by the posts of the Bros that “know” is, if you want to be one of the big boys you have to step up and do what the big boys do and that is to step out beyond the ties of conventional wisdom and be a pioneer. IMO

Thanks for all of the great posts and thanks for your thoughts KOM,

Eddie8

Ps. What masters are you the king of?

[Eddie8]

i can tell you one thing and thats there is a BIG difference in 500mg ew and a gram plus...

but 4.2 grams a week seems a little far fetched...

I am starting to believe...that is what it takes if you want to be one of the big boys based on all of these other posts. Like the one bro said he knows some pro's pretty well and this amount is nothing to get excited over......sounds like I need to up my dosage or I am just wasting my time! Genetics dont mean s**t, just give me more test. By the way, my friend doesnt even look like a body builder any more. He looks good, but you would never believe he was what he was.

[map200uk]

lol yea, i cant see the point in shooting cyp ed , it seems stupid lol

[Anhydro78]

I got up to 277lbs after this last cycle. Im not cut up but I know I would be at about 240lbs and I used about 2grams a week of hormones in this last cycle.n Im trying to get down to 240lbs right now.

[1-Cent]

lol yea, i cant see the point in shooting cyp ed , it seems stupid lol

But if the Cyp was 200mg /mL then 4.2g would be 21cc's of test

You couldn't NOT shoot it ed, thats 3cc /day *7 days, I think that makes complete sense since you should only shoot 3cc's at a time in a major spot. If you did it twice a week thats 10.5cc's lol you'd be sitting there for 1/2 an hour shooting every spot you can think of.

[Eddie8]

But if the Cyp was 200mg /mL then 4.2g would be 21cc's of test

You couldn't NOT shoot it ed, thats 3cc /day *7 days, I think that makes complete sense since you should only shoot 3cc's at a time in a major spot. If you did it twice a week thats 10.5cc's lol you'd be sitting there for 1/2 an hour shooting every spot you can think of.

Great....that was a very logical post. You are exactly correct...you cant do it any other way prop or not...

[SKiN]

Thats insane... even if he shot it right... 10.5 CC's......twice a week.......OMFG......he would have to hit his like 3 diff spots..

[dirtdawg]

Thats insane... even if he shot it right... 10.5 CC's......twice a week.......OMFG......he would have to hit his like 3 diff spots..

and its cyp, not prop or suspension, its f*cking insane, he spends more on pinz thean gear well, maybe not

[SKiN]

SCAR TISSUE!! ahhh

[adamw1]

Hey get that bro on here lets have a talk with him cuz to me thats just either insane or exaggerated,or both.

[bermich]

Gaurantee you that Arnold and most of those guys take that much on during their training. When that becomes your life, you do things differently. You dont think about getting laid, you dont think about the weekend. All you think about is the workout previously and the next workout. You are planning your diet and figuring out how many more calories you need for the day. That is it. You do not consider after affects of the gear.....Totally different world.....

[dirtdawg]

now my math might be a little off, that is like 40 vials of cyp a month, and almost 100 pinz

[anaBROLIC]

maybe ill bump up from 500mgs to 4 grams next week..lol jk... wonder what its like going through pct after that...

[Warrior]

If you need that much to grow... Christ, find another hobby...

Plus - why would he put that much testosterone in without cutting it with something else, like 2000mg Test, 1000mg Deca, 1000mg EQ - for arguments sake BTW... I think you got bullsh!tted...

[Eddie8]

If you need that much to grow... Christ, find another hobby...

Plus - why would he put that much testosterone in without cutting it with something else, like 2000mg Test, 1000mg Deca, 1000mg EQ - for arguments sake BTW... I think you got bullsh!tted...

I appreciate your skepticism but remember this was 20 years ago and he did use deca, fina and anavar at times in addition to his test intake, which I assume he decreased during these times. I assure you this is no BS...My question to the bros is, IS THIS WHAT IT TAKES TO GET TO WHERE HE WAS IN STRENGTH. I don’t know anyone else that can squat 765 for reps with his feet 8 inches apart to parallel with a pause. Is there anyone on this board that has this kind of strength that got there by what this board generally considers a "normal cycle" or does it take this type of single-minded dedication?

[kingofmasters]

If you need that much to grow... Christ, find another hobby...

Amen!

[MMC78]

If you need that much to grow... Christ, find another hobby...