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Last edited by SwoleCat; 06-02-2005 at 07:25 AM.
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Is this that Ross idiot I've heard so much about?
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yep, its got to be him
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I have had remarkable success without test in my cycles, so long as the proper compounds at the proper dosages for the proper durations were used.
Test is great for mass, and those not ultimately concerned with side-effects.
We all have different goals.
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if you look at his posts, they are all about VAR
and thats what MO Ross was all about, cause that was the only thing he ever did
And remember he is a scientist and a genius and all that sh*t
But I kinda liked the guy, he was funny
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This has to be Ross...........
but I really don't give a sh*t anymore.....
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This Ross guy is irrelevant--did you read the studies? Anyone excited about this? We have all long-known that non-aromatizing steroids such as Anavar, Turinabol, winnny, and masterlon had less of an impact on the HPTA, now there are studies to prove it.
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Proof that Anavar does not cause SHUTDOWN:
OBJECTIVE: To investigate the effect of low dose oxandrolone and testosterone on the pituitary-testicular and GH-IGF-I axes. DESIGN: Prospective double-blind placebo-controlled trial. PATIENTS: Sixteen boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty (CDGP) with testicular volumes 4-6 ml were randomized to 3 months treatment: Group 1 (n = 5), daily placebo: Group 2 (n = 5), 2.5 mg oxandrolone daily or Group 3 (n = 6), 50 mg testosterone monthly intramuscular injections with assessment (growth, pubertal development and overnight hormone profiles) at 0, 3, 6 and 12 months. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: LH and GH profiles (15-minute samples) were analysed by peak detection (Pulsar), Fourier transformation and autocorrelation. Testosterone levels were measured hourly and insulin, SHBG, IGF-I, and IGFBP-3 levels at 0800 h. Statistical analysis was by multivariate analysis of variance for repeated measures. RESULTS: LH and testosterone parameters increased significantly with time in all 16 (LH AUC, P < 0.001; peak amplitude, P = 0.02; number of peaks, P = 0.02; testosterone AUC, P = 0.02; morning testosterone, P = 0.002). In Group 2, however, LH and testosterone parameters decreased at 3 months followed by a rebound increase at 6 and 12 months. SHBG levels were markedly reduced at 3 months (P = 0.006) and a wider range of dominant GH frequencies was present although GH AUC was not increased until 6 months, with an increase in GH pulse frequency but not amplitude. IGF-I levels were increased at both 3 and 12 months. In Group 3, pituitary-testicular suppression was not apparent, but GH levels increased with an increase in GH amplitude at 3 and 12 months. CONCLUSION: Oxandrolone transiently suppressed the pituitary-testicular axis and altered GH pulsatility. Testosterone increased GH via amplitude modulation.
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Yeah...these studies have already been mentioned on this board...in my profiles. Proviron's lack of impact on the HPTA, etc...it's all old news to the people who have read my profiles.Originally Posted by PumpinIron
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HOOKER--great profiles by the way--I particularly enjoyed the var and turinabol.
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Proviron is about as affective as Trib or HCG as far as muscle gains go by itself...
Fluoxymesterone won't produce any noticable muscle gain, just strength and hardness...
So ok, do them, but itll suck
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NON-AROMATIZING steroids. Although these studies were conducted with masterlon, and FL, the mechansim for which inhibition(or lack thereof) was due to lack or aromatase activity.Proviron is about as affective as Trib or HCG as far as muscle gains go by itself...
Fluoxymesterone won't produce any noticable muscle gain, just strength and hardness...
So ok, do them, but itll suck
We can safely say all non-aromatizing steroids cause less inhibtion--which for some is very important.
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Well, no, since estrogen isn't the only factor... as I pointed out to someone else a few moments ago. If it was then you wouldn't mine taking 2 grams of Test with Letrozole then now would you? Since Letro would lower the amount of estrogen in your system to zero. No estrogen exists... but oh wait... neither does your errection post cycle
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Estrogen is not the ONLY factor--but a very important factor nonetheless. There is Pituitary inhibition (primarily caused by Estrogen and how well something binds to A-R) and testicular inhibition.Well, no, since estrogen isn't the only factor... as I pointed out to someone else a few moments ago. If it was then you wouldn't mine taking 2 grams of Test with Letrozole then now would you? Since Letro would lower the amount of estrogen in your system to zero. No estrogen exists... but oh wait... neither does your errection
NON-aromatizing steroids cause mild inhibition--not SHUTDOWN.
This is an important distinction.
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so tren and drol are "mild" to the HPTA?!?! give me a ****in break bro
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Ok so lets uninhibit the testicles with HCG, Trib or both, shall we? Ok so the nuts are working, we're taking Letro so theres no estrogen present and running 2 grams of Test... but oh no! still just as limp as walking in on your mom in the shower
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Tren doesn't convert into estrogen either, but will shut you down hard! It has been shown to completely supress HPTA in its effective doseage range as well.
Anyone can debunk anything. Sorry, but I'll take experience and results over questionable studies with fuzzy logic anyday.
BigPancho
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TREN and NANDROLONE have EXTREME Prostegenic activity! LOL, NON-aromatizing steroids like oxandrolone, turinabol, winstrol, and masterlon are not Progestins! There are always exceptions...
You guys...lol..
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Everyone should pay attention...this is cutting edge stuff....two decades ago....
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Hook, most people still don't know it or believe it--at least when I say it.
On a side not captain, I realized something else while loking for that study that occured to me earlier.
"The maximum blood concen-tration of Oral-Turinabol when taking 10, 20 or 40 mg/day is 1.5 -3.5 or 4.5 times the endogenous testosterone concentration (also see Dianabol). This clearly shows that the effectiveness of this compound strongly depends on the dosage."
Now, since testosterone aromatizes, one would think that the drastic increase in endogeonous concentrations would lead to some aromatization--NO. Testosterone CONCENTRATIONS--the key is FREE Testosterone, not TOTAL. By FREEING testosterone by binding to SHBG, one can experience the benefits of increased test wihout any aromatization...
Pretty cool I thought..
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Lmao
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isnt it a little strange that this guy uses lots of CAPITAL LETTERS in HIS POSTS?!?!? Just like ROSS?!?!? AND bashes TEST
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LOL i dont know what is going on here but i do know that test is sweet and awesome and when stacked up it can make you a gigantic strong man this thread iis borderline mental.
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but who wants to take steroids and suppress their test levels below normal to get sub-par gains using no test, when you can in fact USE test and not worry about low test levels and bad sides from low to no test?? Who cares how suppressive they are....thats what PCT is for, and you can get back to normal within weeks.
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NOT ALWAYS TRUE...
Thi sis hopefully the case--but look at WHAT YOU ARE PLAYING with??!?!?
Your fuc-ing D-CK!!
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Test is great--this is not a thread about TEST--there are PLENTY of those already.
No one is invalidating the effictiveness of test. Proposing the use of other anabolics does not do so either.
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http://forums.steroid.com/member.php?u=29307
look at ross's birthdate....
look at pumpinIron's birthdate......
http://forums.steroid.com/member.php?u=37967
Busted bro!! get the **** outta here
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If I was DISGUISING myself, I would not speak as I do, nor indicate my TRUE BIRTHDAY---so that my FANS LIKE YOU, who know my BDAY could VALIDATE!
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I had to post these studies--as everyone said "If he can prove that non-aromatizing steroids are less inhibitive and easier to maintain gains, I may try one of his cycles"...
Well, You will have a difficult time getting MASSIVE with these cycles, but that is not everyone's goal...
I am 5''10, 210, 6%BF.
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By the way...
Running Oral Turinabol for the 1st time, so I am running it solo at 40mgs for 6 weeks to assess its effeciacy.
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I'd rather play the odds with my f**king D*CK than with my f**king LIVER!!!
Not to mention the potential for drug interactions with individuals with serious medical conditions such as Diabetes, Hypertension, etc.
There's more than one side to all of this Ross. Have you heard the saying "Youth & treachery are no match for age & experience"?
BigPancho
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Ross--><---busted
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Don't you ever sleep?
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Of course man...GOTTA GROW!
But when I am awake, I am working diligently--either physically or mentally.
Just like you hook.
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didnt someone already ban ross for this sh*t ??....and here he is again?
Ross...oops sorry PumpinIron we all understand where you are coming from but we dont care
Experience proves your studies wrong
So everyone in here is going to stick to what works best
You think Ronnie Coleman is on an Oral cycle without test?
Go to another forum where someone will think you are smart and quit jammin your opinions down people throat
It was old last week and its old this week
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You COMPLETELY missed the point of this thread and you are utterly UNPRODUCTIVE.
I STATED IN MY 1st SENTENCE--These cycles are not for EVERYONE. IT IS VERY difficult to get MASSIVE without test (though it can be done).
Ge off the bandwagon. There is nothing wrong with this post bro. Grow up.
There are many TEST threads--this is not one of them. Contribute positively or leave.
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I dont even think you actually read my thread! LOL--simply arguing to argue?
What am I saying?
What is wrong?
What experience of YOURS proves what I am saying, wrong?
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so your not Mind of Ross? or are you avoiding the question?
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I am ROSS. Grow up bro. This is a forum for adults.
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why is he not banned yet?
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