AR compared to others...

[CutMeUp]

I am new to posting here, but I have been kinda watching the site for the last 2 weeks or so. I am a member at abcbodybuilding.com and its amazing how bad the advice they give is. Mixing carbs and fats...running for cardio.....cardio at night after working out.....

Anyway, just wanted to say that it is nice to see that this site seems to have **** in order and actually gives sound advice.

[RoNNy THe BuLL]

Welcome to the board. I'm sure that you'll find all the answers to your questions somewhere here!

[LeanMeOut]

I am new to posting here, but I have been kinda watching the site for the last 2 weeks or so. I am a member at abcbodybuilding.com and its amazing how bad the advice they give is. Mixing carbs and fats...running for cardio.....cardio at night after working out.....

Anyway, just wanted to say that it is nice to see that this site seems to have **** in order and actually gives sound advice.

Welcome aboard bro. You'll love this site especially this forum


<<LMO>>

[CutMeUp]

Welcome aboard bro. You'll love this site especially this forum


<<LMO>>

Hey! did you copy my name haha, jk you were here way before me. You guys should check out abcbodybuilding.com bc i think you will be amazed at how unsound the advice is. It would be good for a little laugh anyway. Alright, well thanks for the welcomes, Ill be around

[RockyX]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions....it just breaks down to what works and what doesn't.....I think you'll find most of the stuff recommended here really works.

[Diesel]

Welcome!

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[co2boi]

Welcome. Yeah bro, there are some smart mofo's around here. I just feel cooler by association

[Soldier of Misfortune]

Welcome. I just feel cooler by association

Amen to that. We need shirts w/ the AR logo.

[co2boi]

we're not worthy....we're not worthy...

[dalcowbag]

hey buddy welcome. stick around int diet forum. . best place on the board!!!


DCB

[SV-1]

You guys should check out abcbodybuilding.com bc i think you will be amazed at how unsound the advice is. It would be good for a little laugh anyway.

I just checked that site out and all I can saw is wow. The administrator of that board just completely sh*t all over AR and it's members.

I quote: "Haha! I've read their boards - that site is a joke! They are so ignorant of physiology and specificity it is laughable. "

And that's not the only comment he made about us. I could understand a member saying sh*t like that, but it was from the administrator.

[CutMeUp]

That just goes to show how unprofessional they are. I got banned from there bc i was advocating my belief to separate carbs and fats...they thought that was an absurd idea?!

[LeanMeOut]

I just checked that site out and all I can saw is wow. The administrator of that board just completely sh*t all over AR and it's members.

I quote: "Haha! I've read their boards - that site is a joke! They are so ignorant of physiology and specificity it is laughable. "

And that's not the only comment he made about us. I could understand a member saying sh*t like that, but it was from the administrator.

That is messed up....


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[LeanMeOut]

That just goes to show how unprofessional they are. I got banned from there bc i was advocating my belief to separate carbs and fats...they thought that was an absurd idea?!

Oh well..... big loss lol. Your better off here


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[CutMeUp]

We should have all of the AR members register and just spend about an hour on there ****ting on them and their beliefs....mwahahahaha

yea ok, that might be over doing it

[LeanMeOut]

Wow I just got done reading that post.... I almost want to register and go off on those morons!!!


Read this one:

"Here I am! And my opinion is that you need to pick up a book on exercise physiology and stop listening to ignorant members on another board."


<<LMO>>

[CutMeUp]

Wow I just got done reading that post.... I almost want to register and go off on those idiots!!!


<<LMO>>

dammit, im banned so i cant get on there and check it care to copy and paste it over here? Maybe in the lounge would be more appropriate

[LeanMeOut]

dammit, im banned so i cant get on there and check it care to copy and paste it over here? Maybe in the lounge would be more appropriate

Did you get to see what the administrator posted? It doesn't say banned under your name..... I don't understand why you can see it. You on dial up or cable?


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[CutMeUp]

Did you get to see what the administrator posted? It doesn't say banned under your name..... I don't understand why you can see it. You on dial up or cable?


<<LMO>>

Im not banned here, im banned on the abcbodybuilding site. I didnt see what the admin said

[LeanMeOut]

Im not banned here, im banned on the abcbodybuilding site. I didnt see what the admin said

No on that site it doesn't say banned under your name.


<<LMO>>

[CutMeUp]

No on that site it doesn't say banned under your name.


<<LMO>>

Thats weird, whenever i try to go to the site I automatically go to a page that says you are banned or locked. And i cant navigate any of the forums or anything.

[SV-1]

Here is the post the administrator made.

Carbs is fine in the morning IF you have not done AM cardio on an empty stomach. And of course that is silly if you are trying to cut because you should be doing cardio 5 days a week right after you wake up

What? Who told you this? Never work out (even cardio) on an empty stomach. The very first thing you should do when you wake up is eat breakfast. When you sleep, you are basically fasting for 8 hours, and you are in an extremely catabolic state. If you do cardio before you eat anything, your body will be burning muscle like mad.

The rationale for eating oatmeal in the morning is this: the goal here is to slowly but steadily raise but not spike insulin levels in order to provide you with long lasting energy for use throughout the day and to get your body out of the catabolic state.

The reason for not wanting carbs after cardio is that it stops lyposis which is the process by which you burn fat

1. That's not necessarily true.
2. You should still eat breakfast PRIOR to performing cardio.

Doing 45 mins of cardio (btween 65%-75% of your target HR) will deplete the remaining store of glycogen in body and give you approx 25 mins of exclusive fat burning

That depends entirely on what kind of cardio you are doing. At 45 minutes at 65-75% of TARGET HR (not max), which you describe is classified as long duration cardio, which will not even begin to deplete muscle glycogen stores. Read this: http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum...=1&postmarker=

Note: if you exceed 75% HR you will be burning muscle as well

Note: if you fail to eat breakfast you will be burning muscle no matter which kind of cardio you perform.

Cardio
meal 1- pro/fat
meal 2- pro/fat
meal 3- pro/fat
-workout-
PWO- whey/dextrose (2:1 ratio, dex to whey)
meal 5- pro/carbs
meal 6- pro/fat

That is a very poor diet plan. You even forgot maltodextrin post workout.

Anyone with some useful comments care to chime in?

Yes, read the articles under the Nutrition tab above, you have a lot of learning to do.

I'm a member of a board with some very insightful members

I'm sure, but if they are giving you this kind of advice, they are flat out wrong. Let's see some medical studies to back your claims.

I think you might want to try reading elsewhere other than just this site for info.

I could say the same thing about you and the board you belong to.

But guess what? We use actual science to back up our position.

Do you know much about lyposis?

I can recite every metabolic pathway, every enzyme, and every substrate involved in lypolisis forwards and backwards in my sleep.

www.anabolicreview.com

Haha! I've read their boards - that site is a joke! They are so ignorant of physiology and specificity it is laughable.

The logic behind losing muscle in the AM cardio is that your body is catabolic after waking up and the cardio further promotes that. However, the cardio I am speaking of is walking on an incline in order to keep my HR at 65%-75%.

That doesn't matter! You are still activating your oxidative system, which will further lead to catabolism! Have you ever read a medical study before? I've performed these exact tests in laboratories MYSELF!

When doing AM cardio you are burning fat after the first 20 mins as opposed to burning glycogen (carbs

Again, read the link I posted above. It will clear up some misconseptions you have.

I would recommend you look at the site before discrediting it.

I've looked at it, that's why I think it is horrible.

I wish a mod would jump in with some opinions because what im telling you is the truth

Here I am! And my opinion is that you need to pick up a book on exercise physiology and stop listening to ignorant members on another board. :smirk:

I respect the fact that these mods have done their research, but I would also like to think that they understand the science behind what I am saying

There is no science behind what you are saying! Again, read the link I posted.

I'm not quite sure why you believe that the cardio will burn muscle. That only happens when you exceed 75% of your THR.

You have got to be kidding me!? Whoever told you that should be shot.

The idea of morning cardio on an empty stomach is obviously a very talked about and very controversial subject.

Not really, the science could not be more clear.

I have provided the proof....

No, sir, you have not. I have not seen ONE referenced medical study. Regurgitating what someone told you on another board is not proof.

I do not base my info off what one person or site has told me

That is exactly what you are doing!

i base it mostly off personal experience, 2 friends that are RD's, and a guy who has a program for BB.

Well then your two friends must know more than the entire scientific community. I'm impressed.

Since you refuse to use common sense and reason, and you fail to provide any evidence to support your position, you can go back to your friends at anabolicreview.

[LeanMeOut]

Doesn't that just make you want to register over there and go off??


<<LMO>>

[SV-1]

Doesn't that just make you want to register over there and go off??


<<LMO>>

You have no idea, and I'm not even a diet forum regular.

[LeanMeOut]

You have no idea, and I'm not even a diet forum regular.

You know I would go over there and go off..... but what good would it do for us or for anyone else for that matter? Honestly it would make AR look bad for going over there and starting $hit, and we would jsut get banned and they would go on with their rediculous beliefs. O well we will see which site has better looking members in the end. $hit I want to go see their member's picture section now after reading this to see what kinda fat asses they produce over on that board


<<LMO>>

[dalcowbag]

Doesn't that just make you want to register over there and go off??


<<LMO>>

yes. . yes it does. BRB


MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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[qccat]

i just tried to register over there b/c i had to see this to believe it, but you cant register w/ certain kind of emails....haha that is enough for me...

[LeanMeOut]

yes. . yes it does. BRB


MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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HAHAHA

Now I gotta go over there and see what you said

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[SwoleCat]

That entire site and the administrator have the IQ that rivals only a rock.

Let the subordinates remain where they are.

~SC~

[dalcowbag]

That entire site and the administrator have the IQ that rivals only a rock.

Let the subordinates remain where they are.

~SC~

NEVER NEVER


NEVER!!!!! they must pay!!! (sry, i am board)

DCB

[LeanMeOut]

NEVER NEVER


NEVER!!!!! they must pay!!! (sry, i am board)

DCB

LOL nice post DCB...... I had something worse in mind but still nice post haha


<<LMO>>

[LeanMeOut]

Wow these guys are retards...... read the replies they posted. This is pissing me off


<<LMO>>

[bad_man]

That just goes to show how unprofessional they are. I got banned from there bc i was advocating my belief to separate carbs and fats...they thought that was an absurd idea?!

You got banned for this????

[SV-1]

They now think that DCB is CutMeUp reincarnated. They may not be the sharpest tools in the shed, but they are definitely a bunch of tools.

[LeanMeOut]

They now think that DCB is CutMeUp reincarnated. They may not be the sharpest tools in the shed, but they are definitely a bunch of tools.

**** I didn't get to see DCB's second post. What did he say? LOL


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[dalcowbag]

I got banned too!!!! lol

freggin fu#kers

[dalcowbag]

**** I didn't get to see DCB's second post. What did he say? LOL


<<LMO>>

all i said was that i wasnt cutmeup but dalcowbag from AR

dcb

[LeanMeOut]

all i said was that i wasnt cutmeup but dalcowbag from AR

dcb

Nice.... I have never been banned from a board before. I think I am gona go over there and post too just so I can see what it is like on "the other side" lol

<<LMO>>

[dalcowbag]

Nice.... I have never been banned from a board before. I think I am gona go over there and post too just so I can see what it is like on "the other side" lol

<<LMO>>

bring us news of the forbidden worlds LMO

dcb

[doby48]

WOW.... what a bunch of idiots over there! If I go over, I'll just get pissed anyways and get banned right away, probably isn't worth the effor of signing up in the first place. I'm happy here at AR, where members aren't lazy fat asses who share theorys with each other hiding behind their keyboards.

ok, don't ranting now... i feel better.