3 Dbol questions:

[guest589745]

1.Is it even possible to develope gyno from Dbol considering it binds weakly to the ar?

2.How does Dbol help you gain muscle by other means besides nitrogen retention and drastically increased protein synthesis?

3.In the event that someone takes supplements like hawthorn berry etc. to decrease BP does this effect Dbols effects on nitrogen retention and protein synthesis?

[guest589745]

Anyone?

[groundandpoundpwr21]

Anything that aromatises can cause gyno. And from the water retention on dbol yuo can tell it aromatises alot. Why do you think everyones all about 1-2grams of protein a day? Protein builds muscle so if you can help your body synthasize it more or use it more effectivly thats a good thing. Dont think most people take that for blood pressure i think its more for the liver. And I dont see how lowering your blood pressure cant hurt your gains aslong as you dont lower it to where your dizzy.

[guest589745]

As with many other 17aa steroids, Dbol is also a very weak binder to the Androgen Receptor, so most of it’s effects are thought to be non-receptor mediated, and are attributable to other mechanisms (i.e. protein synthesis as inticated by the production of muscle tissue with very high levels of nitrogen, etc… which was indicated in the 100mg/day study). This also means it only has a modest aromatase activity (2).

Still can cause gyno though, I see.

Hawthorn berry:
Common Use: Hawthorn berries provide us with one of the best tonic remedies for the heart and circulatory system.Crataegus oxyacantha, or Hawthorn Berry, can be considered one of the best natural phytomedicines for coronary health.

Thanks for your input. I just wanted to point out those two.

[Chipper Jones78]

I'm curious as to how people are going to answer Question 2 for ya

2.How does Dbol help you gain muscle by other means besides nitrogen retention and drastically increased protein synthesis?

Bump it for ya

[guest589745]

Those may be the only mechanisms that cause it but, I am unsure, thats why I asked.

[kappa411]

Its going to work differently in everyones body. Ive read some people arent as tolerant and have bad gyno while others can go 100mg ed and have none and not even need to worry about PCT.

The fact that your taking supps. to lower your blood pressure shouldnt effect it. I would assume your doing that because your blood pressure is elevated due to other AAS usage. The supps. arent going to have your blood pressure below a normal (person not on AAS) level. The only way i could see an effect is if your blood pressure is below average for a person of your given size/weight.

and ill throw this in too

In this study, done in the early 80’s, a very high dose of Dbol (100mgs/day for 6 weeks) decreased plasma testosterone to about 40% of it’s normal value, plasma GH went up about a third, LH dropped to about 80% of it’s original value, and FSH went down about a third also (these are all approximate numbers, for the sake of brevity, but you get the idea). Bodyfat did not go up significantly and Fat Free Mass went up anywhere between 2-7kgs (3.3kgs average gain). The researchers concluded that Dbol increases Fat Free Mass as well as increasing strength and performance.

[guest589745]

In this study, done in the early 80’s, a very high dose of Dbol (100mgs/day for 6 weeks) decreased plasma testosterone to about 40% of it’s normal value, plasma GH went up about a third, LH dropped to about 80% of it’s original value, and FSH went down about a third also (these are all approximate numbers, for the sake of brevity, but you get the idea). Bodyfat did not go up significantly and Fat Free Mass went up anywhere between 2-7kgs (3.3kgs average gain). The researchers concluded that Dbol increases Fat Free Mass as well as increasing strength and performance

Thanks. Ive already read the profile here that hooker wrote (^^^^) though.

So youve heard of people getting BAD gyno even though it only aromatizes moderately?

[guest589745]

Bump

[ShnouzedUp]

oh just take it..