north Korea

[firmechicano831]

OK guys what do you think that we should do to North Korea. I'm pretty that it's always testing it's missles over Japan or other countries like china to show off. It doesn't listen to what the U.S has said and the United Nations. Someone I wish we could just bomb the shit out of them to say something u know? But then it wouldn't be ethical to kill alot of civilian lives that are not at fault. What do you guys think we should do. Read the following link to see what they did two days ago:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070400649.html

[USfighterFC]

OK guys what do you think that we should do to North Korea. I'm pretty that it's always testing it's missles over Japan or other countries like china to show off. It doesn't listen to what the U.S has said and the United Nations. Someone I wish we could just bomb the shit out of them to say something u know? But then it wouldn't be ethical to kill alot of civilian lives that are not at fault. What do you guys think we should do. Read the following link to see what they did two days ago:
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/north_korea

It aint smart to bomb a country that has nukes. The second that country obtained nuclear weapons it became impossible to invade. The civilians are brainwashed in that country to believe the "Dear Leader" is a living God. A defector said If the U.S. invaded you will never see a smiling waving crowd like in Iraq. They will fight to the last man.

[stunner5000pt]

It aint smart to bomb a country that has nukes. The second that country obtained nuclear weapons it became impossible to invade. The civilians are brainwashed in that country to believe the "Dear Leader" is a living God. A defector said If the U.S. invaded you will never see a smiling waving crowd like in Iraq. They will fight to the last man.

isnt iraq kinda doing the same thing... at least ... sections of the population

[firmechicano831]

What can we do? If they really develop nukes that can reach us they will try to nuke us one day. They can make them now but they can't reach far out to us.

[USfighterFC]

isnt iraq kinda doing the same thing... at least ... sections of the population

The sunni insurgency isnt that huge of an insurrection. They have many die hard fighters but the Sunnis are the minority in that country. Saddam was a Sunni muslim. The Shiites are the majority and dont really provide a problem for the most part. The Sunnis are killing the Shiites more than anyone else. If the Sunni insurrection is put down then Iraq will be a lot better off. There are foreign fighters in Iraq but its not a dramatic amount of them. But no matter what we do we will always look like the Western Christian occupiers of a holy land. In North Korea these people are unbelievably brainwashed. There is absolutely no source of outside information in that country. Whatever the leader says in that country goes without question. He exterminates people at an astronomical rate and everyone still cheers for him. His father was the "Great Leader" before him and when he died it was an unreal event. Millions upon millions were crying hysterically throwing themselves to the ground thinking the world was going to end. If I could find a video of it you'd be shocked at how many people were doing it. Imagine Times Square on New Years Eve with everyone crying hysterically pulling their hair out. The North korean people will fight harder for Kim Jong Il than the Muslims for Allah.

[firmechicano831]

I think you are right USfighter. No information comes into North Korea besides what he wants them to know. It would be one of the toughest fights the U.S would ever be in.

[firmechicano831]

this is a really good one too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070400649.html

[firmechicano831]

I think everyone is trying to control him or else their afraid that a WWIII will begin. The Japanese president said that if North Korea doesn't stop they would nuke them.

[PeteyK]

we just need to develope a weapon defense program and also sit down and talk to kim jong eel and tell him that there is no need to develope nuclear weapons.

[USfighterFC]

I think everyone is trying to control him or else their afraid that a WWIII will begin. The Japanese president said that if North Korea doesn't stop they would nuke them.

Japan doesnt possess nuclear weapons. They possess nuclear technology tho such as light water reactors.

[firmechicano831]

What do u think Japan will do if he continues to launch nukes over japan?

[USfighterFC]

What do u think Japan will do if he continues to launch nukes over japan?

Nothing. The most the japanese can do is put economic sanctions on North Korea. Japan basically has no standing army, to wage war with north Korea would be a huge mistake for them. It is already well known that with the food Aid we give to North korea it is given to the soldiers and the rest is sold on the black market in North korea. There are well documented cases of cannabalism because food is so scarce. In 1996 almost 2 million North Koreans died of a famine that struck the country. That is about 1 in 10 people. They are backed into a corner with no place to go. They only thing they can do is move forward. When you trap an animal in a corner or in a cage, that is when they become the most desperate and the most dangerous.

[bigpapabuff]

we just need to develope a weapon defense program and also sit down and talk to kim jong eel and tell him that there is no need to develope nuclear weapons.

With policies like that you should run for president... I'd vote for you.

They have been telling him this for years and continue to tell him that. The UN security council has been meeting all day, and it sounds like they are serious, and everyone wants to do something about it, not just the US. I doubt it leads to war, at least not in the near future. Diplomacy is the goal now, and hopefully N. Korea will comply seeing what they are facing. The only country that is a little scary and that we aren't sure how they will act is China. What they say in the next few days will be very important.

[J-Dogg]

Just send over Rambo.

He is taunting the world, somthing will eventually have to be done.

[USfighterFC]

With policies like that you should run for president... I'd vote for you.

They have been telling him this for years and continue to tell him that. The UN security council has been meeting all day, and it sounds like they are serious, and everyone wants to do something about it, not just the US. I doubt it leads to war, at least not in the near future. Diplomacy is the goal now, and hopefully N. Korea will comply seeing what they are facing. The only country that is a little scary and that we aren't sure how they will act is China. What they say in the next few days will be very important.

China has already decided against economic sanctions along with Russia. Why? That is beyond me. Perhaps because they all shared the same history of being rogue, stalinist, closed off nations. North Korea can offer them nothing and yet they still side with them. With China it is more understandable for a variety of reasons; i.e. a war on the Korean Peninsula would spill over into China causing instability as well as the fact as why not have them be a thorn in the side of the opposition. As long as America is busy with North Korea they will not pay close attention to other things, such as the military machine China is becoming as well as the heavy industrial revolution it is going through.

[firmechicano831]

I think with Rambo, The terminator, and Superman they will quit what their doing.

[stunner5000pt]

maybe this isa repost, but here is a documentary on the place

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kim/view/

[USfighterFC]

You will never get them to quit. They want to build that delivery system more than anything in this world. With that long range missile in effect it's like the equivalent to pulling an ace out of your sleeve. If they make that work then it becomes a stalemate. The North Koreans can threaten us and then we HAVE to take them seriously because now we know they have a missile capable of hitting the U.S. mainland. They're obviously not afraid to go against the grain of the world and just brush off any criticism or threats of anything. With a working ICBM they can demand the U.S. leave South Korea and the DMZ and we actually may have to take it into consideration. Next thing you know, North Korea moves below the 38th parallel and World War III starts. There is a variety of ways a war can start very easily with this psychopath ruling that country.

[firmechicano831]

What do u think would happend if someone assasinated him. Like a undercover that no one found out who he was after he did his job. Kinda like vanished in the air.

[stunner5000pt]

What do u think would happend if someone assasinated him. Like a undercover that no one found out who he was after he did his job. Kinda like vanished in the air.

they would find someone new and probably get more pissed off

[firmechicano831]

hey stunner! those were some great videos on the website that you posted.

[USfighterFC]

What do u think would happend if someone assasinated him. Like a undercover that no one found out who he was after he did his job. Kinda like vanished in the air.

It would never happen. Nobody will ever make it that close to him. We have absolutely ZERO intel on North Korea. Not a single agent in the CIA has ever penetrated there. But if he was assassinated a general of the armed forces would most likely succeed him for the time being. And all their generals are the ones pushing him to be more hawkish and begin pressing the action.

[stunner5000pt]

soemone has to make anti missile equipment that is capable of taking out large nukes before they have a chance to hurt anyone.

[goodcents]

I think they will be like Japan after we whooped them ( I sorry, we assisted them) and they will be just like dogs that get a new owner and will just love getting fed and becoming "capitalist dogs" like we are.

[JDawg1536]

I think you are right USfighter. No information comes into North Korea besides what he wants them to know. It would be one of the toughest fights the U.S would ever be in.

Their "special forces" is 80,000 strong. Nobody in the world could invade north korea. They are hard core muther fvckers.

[USfighterFC]

soemone has to make anti missile equipment that is capable of taking out large nukes before they have a chance to hurt anyone.

We have been developing an anti-missile defense with limited success for ICBM's. It's costing a lot of money and has faced strong opposition from the left side of the House. Funny it would actually protect Western Europe as well as japan, canada and other Allies but we are the only ones footing the bill to develop it.

[Superhuman]

north korea said that any sanctions put on them would be seen as a "declaration of war". That's f*cked up. Kim's got a Napoleon complex. Those bastards! we have to do something about this before it gets out-of-hand. If we let them continue, then other smaller nations will see the example that north korea has set and develop their own nuclear weapons. they must be stopped

[stunner5000pt]

We have been developing an anti-missile defense with limited success for ICBM's. It's costing a lot of money and has faced strong opposition from the left side of the House. Funny it would actually protect Western Europe as well as japan, canada and other Allies but we are the only ones footing the bill to develop it.

i dunnoo....

[ascendant]

personally, i think the US is a bunch of damn hypocrites. not the people of course cause i'm one of them, but our government. our govt has nukes, yet they feel they can tell other countries they're not allowed to? that's f*cking ridiculous. who the hell is the US to say who can and who can't have nukes?

with how power happy bush is, i can't blame them for wanting to be able to defend themselves. he attacked iraq unprovoked, so how do they know we won't do the same to them? i know it supposedly has nothing to do with anything like that, but just saying i can't blame them for wanting the offensive capabilities of the big boys.

anyway, until the US govt disarms, which of course they never will, they need to sit down and shut the f*ck up IMO.

[USfighterFC]

personally, i think the US is a bunch of damn hypocrites. not the people of course cause i'm one of them, but our government. our govt has nukes, yet they feel they can tell other countries they're not allowed to? that's f*cking ridiculous. who the hell is the US to say who can and who can't have nukes?

with how power happy bush is, i can't blame them for wanting to be able to defend themselves. he attacked iraq unprovoked, so how do they know we won't do the same to them? i know it supposedly has nothing to do with anything like that, but just saying i can't blame them for wanting the offensive capabilities of the big boys.

anyway, until the US govt disarms, which of course they never will, they need to sit down and shut the f*ck up IMO.

Do you really want a country like Iran or North Korea to have nukes? I really don't. Nuclear non-proliferation is a good thing. I think that if you give 180 nations the ability to use nuclear technology in weapons or civilians forms then you are asking for a disaster. in 1986 we had about 4 or 5 nations with full nuclear capabilities and disasters like Chernobyl still happened which killed thousands of people and left millions of acres of land irradiated and tens of thousands of new borns with birth defects as well as much of the population suffering from thyroid cancer due to the high levels of cesium.

This has nothing to do with Bush. North Korea has been developing nukes for over a decade now and in 1995 while Clinton was in office America faced a stand off with North korea after it admitted to developing nuclear weapons (which it claimed it had at thw time) and a long range missile program. Clinton admitted he thought that was the closest time he ever thought we were going to war.

[firmechicano831]

Although the U.S does have nuclear weapons we don't start showing them off to other countries or try to fly them over them. I think Japan at one point will ask the U.S to stop North Korea or they will. An example would be if you live in a house and you're neighbor is always firing a gun over your house. There is going to be a point where you are going to pull out youre own and shoot him or shoot one over him to let him know that you mean bussiness as well.

[USfighterFC]

His father was the "Great Leader" before him and when he died it was an unreal event. Millions upon millions were crying hysterically throwing themselves to the ground thinking the world was going to end. If I could find a video of it you'd be shocked at how many people were doing it. Imagine Times Square on New Years Eve with everyone crying hysterically pulling their hair out..

Here is the video of Kim II Sung's funeral. It's after the first minute or so. The man talking is a reporter on a newstation for the DPRK(North Korea)

[firmechicano831]

I think tensions are high between japan and North Korea.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,82408,00.html

[USfighterFC]

Although the U.S does have nuclear weapons we don't start showing them off to other countries or try to fly them over them. I think Japan at one point will ask the U.S to stop North Korea or they will. An example would be if you live in a house and you're neighbor is always firing a gun over your house. There is going to be a point where you are going to pull out youre own and shoot him or shoot one over him to let him know that you mean bussiness as well.

The only flaw in that analogy is that instead of you just directly killing your neighbor, the whole neighborhood is annhilated and so is everyone in it.

[firmechicano831]

Well let me ask you a question USfighter; lets pretend that you are the president of Japan and responsable for all your citizens. If North Korea starts shooting nuks over your country what would you do"
1. Tell the U.N when the north koreans won't sit or listen to them?
2. Sanctions them on the exports you send over?
3. Call the U.S president and begg him to help you?
4. All the above and start building you're own missles and weapons?
5. other?

[Badgerman]

Although the U.S does have nuclear weapons we don't start showing them off to other countries or try to fly them over them. I think Japan at one point will ask the U.S to stop North Korea or they will. An example would be if you live in a house and you're neighbor is always firing a gun over your house. There is going to be a point where you are going to pull out youre own and shoot him or shoot one over him to let him know that you mean bussiness as well.

That is an insane statement------the US blatantly shows off its military all the time........we're the Goliath taunting the smaller and weaker

Plus we are the only country to ever use nukes......twice......plus on civilians
The whole cuban missle crises started because of US........we put nukes in turkey first.........

[ascendant]

i see many of your points guys, and usfighter, you gave me some info i didn't know about involving this whole situation. i'm just not really into politics so i never heard about any of this until the recent developments.

i definitely agree that these guys are not the kind of people we'd want to have nukes, and i agree as well that they're being careless with them. all i'm saying is if a country is going to tell another that they can't have nukes, they certainly shouldn't have any themselves. that's like me telling you i have a gun and might use it on you one day but you aren't allowed to have one.

i'm just curious now as to who it is that decides who gets to have nukes and who doesn't and the reasoning behind it all? to me, it's just looking like a power trip on all sides of this.

[Badgerman]

i see many of your points guys, and usfighter, you gave me some info i didn't know about involving this whole situation. i'm just not really into politics so i never heard about any of this until the recent developments.

i definitely agree that these guys are not the kind of people we'd want to have nukes, and i agree as well that they're being careless with them. all i'm saying is if a country is going to tell another that they can't have nukes, they certainly shouldn't have any themselves. that's like me telling you i have a gun and might use it on you one day but you aren't allowed to have one.

i'm just curious now as to who it is that decides who gets to have nukes and who doesn't and the reasoning behind it all? to me, it's just looking like a power trip on all sides of this.

Kind of like the adultering parent telling the kid to save it for marriage........

[firmechicano831]

Well the U.S did have missles pointing at Cuba because it was communist like North Korea. They had missles that were 80 or so miles away from the U.S. We also did use nukes in Japan because they attacked us first on Pearl Harbor.

[Badgerman]

Well the U.S did have missles pointing at Cuba because it was communist like North Korea. They had missles that were 80 or so miles away from the U.S. We also did use nukes in Japan because they attacked us first on Pearl Harbor.

That's no reason to bomb civilians