First Quad Shot, BUTTER.

[Njectable]

So tonight i started my cycle and completed my first quad shot, was a little nervous about the shot itself with all the hype and problems people seem to indure when injecting quads. Needle went in like a warm knife through butter and was painless had no problems at all.

My biggest problem was actually injecting into my muscle and drawing the Test out of the amp. I'm not sure if i got a shity syringe or what but i sat with the pin in my leg for about 2 1/2 minutes slowly waiting for all the oil to leave the syringe. And about 5-7 minutes trying to draw all the test out of the Amp. I'm using a 25g pin for my quads and i know 25g is a small size pin for an oil based solution to travel through but **** no one else seems to have problems, like 30seconds to a minute max i figured should be all the time it takes to inject 1ml of test. I know if i would of picked of some 18g needles too for drawing out of the amp that would of been ten times easier but beings i'm not using vials i wasn't really concerned with swapping out needles and using two different ones for drawing and injecting and never would of guessed 25g would of been so difficult to draw one ml of Schering Test E.
It shouldnt take over 5 minutes to draw up 1ml out of the amp with a 25 guage pin should it? Just doesn't seem normal, neither does the injection part.

And just so you know i was applying a fair bit of pressure to the plunger when injecting like much more pressure and i would of had to worry about bending the needle in my leg lol.

[sp9]

Yes, it will take that long with a 25 guage. That's good when injecting but bad while drawing. Don't order 18g's, get 20's. 18's will tear up the rubber stopper and you will get hunks of rubber floating around your test that you will have to later suck out. Happens sometimes with 20g but alot more with 18g.

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i'm using amps not vials ... so no rubber stopper.

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**** i wish there was a place locally i could just pick up some larger pins seems kinda useless to buy 25 bigger pins for $5 off of AR-R and then hafta pay for shipping too which will likely be more then my purchase. Might just be patient with my 25g, just gonna be a pain in the ass for my 2nd shot on monday morning before work

[tjt]

This is normal bro, I recommend 21g for drawing and 23g for shooting and as for your quads you may get some soreness in the next day or 2.

[tjt]

This is normal bro, I recommend 21g for drawing and 23g for shooting and as for your quads you may get some soreness in the next day or 2.

[sp9]

You might get tired of it quick :-)

Live and learn. My first cycle, all I did was quads. Loved um. You can actually push on the plunger with one hand and hold the needle/syringe steady with the other. If I mixed in a little EQ, I was never sore the next day and could do legs the next morning if needed.

Enjoy your gear. I start April 1.

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I kinda wish i would of went with a 23g just so i could get shit flowing a bit quicker but like you said SP probably better that i can't inject quicker, probably just cause more problems the days after.

What's your upcoming cycle look like SP?

[sp9]

Right now it's going to be

1-4 40mg Dbol ED
1-16 Test E 600mg EW
1-15 EQ 500mg EW
17-18 Test Prop 75mg ED

This is the first time I am throwing in prop at the end. When you use long esters like that and have a two week break with nothing before PCT you are really wasting good productive time if you don't switch to a short ester. That way you start PCT the same day but keep a prime growing enviroment 2 weeks longer.

This is my 5th cycle. I really am cool with doing 1 a year like this in the spring. Last fall though I got a little antsy and ran some anavar by itself for a while because I was dying to try it out.

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ya i'm also gonna be taking var with my test come week 2

[tranzit]

=) let us know how that Quad feels tomarrow <grin>

[Hard Head]

=) let us know how that Quad feels tomarrow <grin>

Uh yeah, about 24 hours after the 1st inject into a virgin muscle is when the 'magic' happens. Ever been kicked by a mule in the quad? Get ready, cause it's comin'.....

I push 2cc's thru a 25 in less than a min. Definately get a bigger pin to draw through.

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=) let us know how that Quad feels tomarrow <grin>

lol fair enough i will post how i feel tomorrow and how sore it is. Can't be any worse then the couple days after hitting legs heavy up at the gym though, maybe you guys are just sensitive, cause its been roughly 7 hours since inject and my leg feels relatively good.

[Njectable]

Uh yeah, about 24 hours after the 1st inject into a virgin muscle is when the 'magic' happens. Ever been kicked by a mule in the quad? Get ready, cause it's comin'.....

I push 2cc's thru a 25 in less than a min. Definately get a bigger pin to draw through.

Well fack! it would make things a hundred times easier but just went back over to AR-R and for me to buy 25 18g needles it will cost me $4.00+$20.00 shipping. That seems pretty retarded if i pay 24 bucks for 25 needles if you ask me especially when the actual pins are only $4.00, 1/6th of the actual cost. Anywhere in canada i can just pick up pins locally, Shoppers drug mart doesn't supply syringes or needles do they?

[goalseeker]

I have no fear of needles. Im shooting 3 times a week... but for some reason, my quads dont like it. If the pin moves one tiny tiny bit. And I mean EVER so slightly, I get the torn muscle pain, and I actually feel it rip.. Dont know why. Even watched the 'ol lady do it with her steady hands too. same thing. Guess mine are a little more sensitive or something...

[Njectable]

hey goal, u don't know any places in canada do ya where i could get somes pins? Other then a website...

[mickdiesel]

i use 22 gauge for both, not a bad idea is it, i usually replace the head, not always though

[mickdiesel]

22 gauge 1.5" to be exact, i do quad and delt injections, my shoulders are too big for me to meffectively reach my ass, not bragging, just saying, im like a f*&ckin cube

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22 gauge 1.5" to be exact, i do quad and delt injections, my shoulders are too big for me to meffectively reach my ass, not bragging, just saying, im like a f*&ckin cube

[Njectable]

=) let us know how that Quad feels tomarrow <grin>

Well i still feel good, the leg i injected in still isn't really bothering me, if anything it just feels like i got out of the gym on a light leg day and that i got a slight pump in my leg.

Geez with all the build up and everyone saying it should hurt and the fact that it doesn't, i hope i did it right. Theirs nothing i could of did wrong though used 25g 1" pin, stuck the pin all the way in only leaving about 1/8 of an inch sticking out just incase the pin snapped off, aspirated, got little white air bubbles and then continued to inject my shit extremely slow and massaged the injection site after. So no doubt about it i injected into a muscle. I guess maybe my body was just born for this.

[MAXIMA5]

Bro,

if you have amps, no need switching needles. Use 23g to draw and shoot. If you don;t touch the glass when drawing, you can shoot with the same needle. I love quad shots, except my left one bleeds more than my right for some reason.

Here's an idea.

float the amp in a glass of hot water for a few minuted prior to shooting. This will make the injection easier, especially with 23G.

[Njectable]

Bro,

if you have amps, no need switching needles. Use 23g to draw and shoot. If you don;t touch the glass when drawing, you can shoot with the same needle. I love quad shots, except my left one bleeds more than my right for some reason.

Here's an idea.

float the amp in a glass of hot water for a few minuted prior to shooting. This will make the injection easier, especially with 23G.

using 25g bro not 23g, prior to starting this cycle and doing my quad shots i read that most people preferred and recommeded using 25g 1" pins for injecting quads. I think i'm gonna get some 18g pins for loading the syringe and drawing from the amp, cause the 25g just takes to long.

[MAXIMA5]

using 25g bro not 23g, prior to starting this cycle and doing my quad shots i read that most people preferred and recommeded using 25g 1" pins for injecting quads. I think i'm gonna get some 18g pins for loading the syringe and drawing from the amp, cause the 25g just takes to long.

I know you have 25G. I was recommending 23G. Best of both worlds. They don't hurt at all, similar to a 25G, but you can draw easier. And if you use amps, you can heat the solution ad draw and shoot with the same needle.

Your way will work too, just seems like a waste of needles.

[Njectable]

I know you have 25G. I was recommending 23G. Best of both worlds. They don't hurt at all, similar to a 25G, but you can draw easier. And if you use amps, you can heat the solution ad draw and shoot with the same needle.

Your way will work too, just seems like a waste of needles.

ya i know bro next time i will go with 23g for sure but either way it was gonna be a waste of pins. If i were to purchase 23g then my 25g pins would of used for nothing. Atleast the 25g will limit me to how fast i can inject the test into my body, and i think beings i'm forced to go so slow thats part of the reason why i'm feeling no pain today.

[Hard Head]

Next time you inject, save the pin and syringe. Go down to the kitchen and pour a little cooking oil in and see how fast you can push the oil through that little pin. I don't need to say hold the whole thing over the sink right? It somes out mighty damn slow, kind of just a drop at a time. It's just a good exercise to see what is happening when you push the plunger. You can really put some pressure on it.

[Njectable]

good point i might try that just to actually see, i'm also gonna warm up the amp slightly next time too. I'm just gonna push light pressure on the plunger next time too instead of trying to force the shit out, chances are whether its light pressure or 100lbs of pressure its still gonna come out at the same rate because the hole is only so big at the end of the pin, plus putting that much pressure on it just makes my injections more uncomfortable.

[Hard Head]

chances are whether its light pressure or 100lbs of pressure its still gonna come out at the same rate because the hole is only so big at the end of the pin, .

Faulty logic.

Try the cooking oil demo and see.