Injecting question!

[JMan06]

Hey guys,
I've done about 5 test injections so far. Twice a week, in the delts. All are virtualy painless and go very well. (get my buddy to do it) Now I know you arent OBVIOUSLY supposed to have air in the syringe when you inject but all the time after shaking my test vial prior to drawing(thought u were supposed to) and even when drawing I get TINY air bubbles everywere in there that just will not come to the top or come out if i flick the syringe. No matter what I do. Yes I turn the vial upside down when drawing. Is this bad? Nothings happened so far, but I dont want to keep risking it. Im talking pretty small bubbles like tiny specks.

[Booz]

i wouldnt worry about small bubbles mate....you will be fine....

[JMan06]

My buddy just told me to put in a bit of air into the vial before drawing to get more pressure for the draw? Is this true? Can it help?

[Kale]

You need over 20cc of air to to cause death, so dont worry about it

[Kale]

My buddy just told me to put in a bit of air into the vial before drawing to get more pressure for the draw? Is this true? Can it help?

Yes you inject as much air into the vial, equal to the amount of juice you want to draw out

[MAXIMA5]

My buddy just told me to put in a bit of air into the vial before drawing to get more pressure for the draw? Is this true? Can it help?

Yes. It helps.

Slowly turn your vial over and inect a decent amount of air into it, depending on how much juice is left.

If you draw from the bottom of the fluid, you shouldn;t get many air bubbles.

[JMan06]

You need over 20cc of air to to cause death, so dont worry about it

Can the air build up though each time? Or like 20cc at once?

[Kale]

Can the air build up though each time? Or like 20cc at once?

No you need 20cc at once... read this

SCIENCE IN CRIME DETECTION
DEATH BY AIR INJECTION
Dr. Anil Aggrawal


Technically known as cases of "air embolism". The word embolism comes from Greek en, "in," and ballein, "to throw or cast". Henceforth we will be using the term "air embolism".

Before telling anything further about death by air embolism, let us first understand a little bit about the way our blood circulates in our body. This is very essential to understand how a person is killed by injection of air. Our heart is comprised of 4 chambers. There are two chambers on the right and two on the left side. The chambers on the right side are known as right atrium and right ventricle, while the chambers on the left side are known as left atrium and left ventricle. Bad blood (deoxygenated) from legs, head, arms and in fact from every part of the body returns to the upper right chamber called the right atrium.

With each contraction of the heart the right atrium sends this bad blood to the right ventricle. The right ventricle, in turn, sends this blood to the lungs via pulmonary arteries. Do not let the complicated names baffle you. Just remember that atrium and ventricles are fancy sounding names of some chambers of the heart. Ventricle is a larger chamber than atrium. Also keep in mind that "artery" is the name of a conduit which takes the blood away from the heart while vein is the name of a conduit which brings blood to the heart. The word pulmonary comes from Latin pulmo, "the lung". Thus "pulmonary artery" refers to a conduit which takes the blood away from the heart towards the lung.

In the lung, the bad blood is purified (oxygenated). This is done by the help of the air which we breathe all the time. The pure blood is returned to the heart via pulmonary veins. The blood comes in the third chamber of the heart known as left atrium. Left atrium sends this blood to the left ventricle, which in turn, pumps this pure blood to the whole body via a very big conduit known as the aorta. The body organs use this pure blood, and when this blood becomes impure, it is once again returned to the right atrium. And thus the circulation goes on.
Now we are ready to understand how air embolism works. First of all we must appreciate that nature has made this whole system of circulation air-proof. This means that there is no way, air could enter this system of conduits and pipes. If somehow air could enter the system (such as by injection of plain air through a syringe), the air will form an "air lock" within the system. This "air lock" is quite familiar to plumbers and owners of diesel engines, where the normal flow of liquid through tubes is wholly or partially blocked by air. Quite in the same manner this air lock blocks the flow of blood through the arteries and veins, thus bringing the circulation to a halt. Let us make this a little more clear.

Air could be made to enter the circulation either through the arteries or through the veins. When an injection of air is given, the air bubbles start travelling towards the right atrium. From right atrium they keep travelling onwards till they come to the lung. Here the capillaries are too narrow to allow the big bubbles to pass. The result is that these bubbles get entangled in the blood vessels of the lung. The whole blood traffic stops and the person dies very quickly. In fact this bad blood can not be purified by the lungs, because the traffic of blood towards the lungs has been stopped. The body can not imagine that such a sinister thing has happened. It "thinks" that the blood is not getting purified because of lack of air. So it quickens the respiration. The person starts gasping. But nothing helps because the cause lies somewhere else and the person dies.

Now this is where discrepancies lie…in how much is needed. This article cited 200 mL (cc’s), which I think is an exaggeration. Other articles I have come across state wide ranges…anything from 20 mL to the above mentioned 200. I say about 20 mL, as an educated guess…and I read that in some nursing journal during schooling as well. 20 mL is approximately the length of an IV line…so those who’ve been in hospital can now envision how much is needed.

[MAXIMA5]

Can the air build up though each time? Or like 20cc at once?

no.
I think he meant you would need to shoot 20cc IM at one time. This would mean refilling your syringe 7 times with nothing but air and shooting it over and over into the same spot.

I still don't undertand how you're getting large amounts of air in the syringe.

Kale, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn;t your study refer to IV air injection?

[JMan06]

i dont know either. This is what ive been doing.

-shake vial (causes some air bubbles in it already)
-fully insert 23 guage pin
-turn vial upside down
-pull on plunger back and forth to try to draw out liquid
-take needle out of vial
-switch to 25 guage pin
-hold needle point up, flick and press out larger air bubbles


when i flick the small ones still stay all in the middle of the syringe and all over. the larger ones go to the top though and i press them out.

-let some liquid drip to side of pin to lube
-shoot the ****er

[MAXIMA5]

i dont know either. This is what ive been doing.

-shake vial (causes some air bubbles in it already)
-fully insert 23 guage pin
-turn vial upside down
-pull on plunger back and forth to try to draw out liquid
-take needle out of vial
-switch to 25 guage pin
-hold needle point up, flick and press out larger air bubbles


when i flick the small ones still stay all in the middle of the syringe and all over. the larger ones go to the top though and i press them out.

-let some liquid drip to side of pin to lube
-shoot the ****er

OK, try this.

Don't shake the vial.
Slowly turn it over with the rubber stopper facing down.
THEN, stick the pin in and draw from the area right above the stopper.

Other than that, you should be good t go. And again, don;t worry about the mocroscopic little bubbles on the wall of the syringe.

What kind of gear are you using? Is it homebrew?

[JMan06]

I was told your supposed to shake the test vial before hand? something about mixing?