What and how often Barry Bonds used

[Stackertoo]

Probably linked to a hundred times already, but here it is again.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes


What we all already knew....and a few more details.

[Smak]

Winny
Tren
Test
and the infamous "Clear"

+
Insulin
HGH

And who says steroids don't make you a better player?

[Stackertoo]

Winny
Tren
Test
and the infamous "Clear"

+
Insulin
HGH

And who says steroids don't make you a better player?

Noone can say that now!

[C_Bino]

I read some of that earlier today. It made him a better player yes. But also I think a lot of it was mental, he prolly got more confidence to swing cuz he was stronger etc. I mean if you read the article he would tell his "roid advisor" **** off i will do it myself if you wont, when the advisor said he had to take more time off in between his cycles. I mean this really seemed to get to his head.

-Bino

[hardgainer12]

well none of that can make a man hit a 100mph fastball. hes still a great hitter! now hes a great hitter with great strength

[Bratty4him]

well none of that can make a man hit a 100mph fastball. hes still a great hitter! now hes a great hitter with great strength

Thank you for stating this. I agree 100%. Steroids do not give you the skill you already had. It just helps them pick a ball that's at their toes and crank it out of the park.

[Boricua Pump]

I tried posting this last night, in reference to ESPN, and was told to take it to the lounge. lol

Cool to know Bonds is still the man though.

[KDRLINUS]

i have to agree 100% steroids will not create talent, they did infact contribute to his ability to hit the ball further due to increased strength. this helped him break the HR record.

if other athletes have been stripped of olympic medals and world records because of steroid use, why then is he not stripped of his HR record.

[MartyMcFly]

They should void his records and ban him from the HOF. Steroids don't have a place in the MLB unless everyone uses them.

[1819]

i have to agree 100% steroids will not create talent, they did infact contribute to his ability to hit the ball further due to increased strength. this helped him break the HR record.

if other athletes have been stripped of olympic medals and world records because of steroid use, why then is he not stripped of his HR record.

i'll beat the dead horse one more time. your first paragraph is 100% correct. i remember the moron who posted a while back how he couldnt understand how he got his ass beat in a fight while on juice. . second paragraph though...i gotta disagree. without going into a long discussion, the sosa-mcguire home run race absolutely saved a dying sport. after the strike interest in baseball was nill. everyone was glued to espn every night to see how many dingers bonds hit. now we wanna punish athletes for giving us what the public demands. thats insane.

[Stackertoo]

They should void his records and ban him from the HOF. Steroids don't have a place in the MLB unless everyone uses them.

Everyone does (or did) use them.
I HATE Bonds, but not because he juiced. He is an arrogant psycho. McGuire took less $$ to stay St. Louis to be near his kids. Think Barry would do that?
Everyone knows that they both juiced. Bonds is getting roasted because he is an arrogant asswipe who allegedly treats everyone like shyte.
Hey, he made the cover of SI again!

[Pooks]

I think its funny.. all this started after the strike season, with the "JUICED BALLZ"

back than i was 12 years old or so... and espn was saying how its a different company making the balls, and they're "juiced balls" LOL

They didnt tell us, that JUICED BALLZ, are actually shrunken ball sacks

[AllGearedUp]

88-97 his avg was .287 - 40 HR seasons 3 - SLugging % 551
98-present .328 - 40 HR seasons 5 - Slugging % 730

Hmmmmmm

[1819]

They should void his records and ban him from the HOF. Steroids don't have a place in the MLB unless everyone uses them.

better kick out lawrence taylor. he admitted using cocaine during every, every, nfl game. drugs are bad right. and wake up. everyone is using.

[brutesinme]

go figure eh,
Bonds is a dick. I don't mind when bad things happen to bad people, and i get angry when people say "look what steroids does to your personality" Bonds was an asshole in little league, through high school, and in the majors. He should be kicked out of the league.

[BITTAPART2]

gotta love how uneducated these writers are, they said users usually take a week or two off to let their bodies recover and get back to normal. god dont I wish

[Stackertoo]

88-97 his avg was .287 - 40 HR seasons 3 - SLugging % 551
98-present .328 - 40 HR seasons 5 - Slugging % 730

Hmmmmmm

Seems it made him better at hitting a 100 mph fastball. Quite a jump in average. I think it's more than just strength. I suppose he didn't wear out late in the seasons, but up thirty points in average, in the twilight of his career? Damn!

I noticed a long time ago that my jumpshot seemed more accurate when juicing. Coincidence? Maybe.

[8pak]

juice MOST DEFINITELY contributed to his HR success, duh. I just hate him cause he's arrogant and a liar. so is mcGuire, for that matter.

[Soup]

and it sounded like he started with a Winny only cycle, do you think he knew he could drink it?

[BigJimboNJ]

Last time I checked cocaine didnt give u an unfair advantage, if anything its the opposite...

[HUNTER1]

bonds is a a**. steroids may not improve hand/eye coordination, but it does increase strenth/endurance. It turns some of those long fly balls into HRs. He doesn't get tired as easy at his age and it makes him competitve even now. look at a photo of him before 97 and one now. drastic increase. i say ban him from hof and take that fake title he holds. babe ruth, hank aaron, dimaggio, pete rose --> none of these guys used juice. unfair advantage too say the least.

[slooby]

baseball would be dead without steroids imo

[GoldieTheMack]

Originally Posted by hardgainer12
well none of that can make a man hit a 100mph fastball. hes still a great hitter! now hes a great hitter with great strength

Thank you for stating this. I agree 100%. Steroids do not give you the skill you already had. It just helps them pick a ball that's at their toes and crank it out of the park.

True!
I definitely agree that it’s two fold…TALENT + POWER.
Because talent ALONE didn’t make him GREAT!

If you can hit that 100 mph ball as consistently as rain hits the ground and all you’re doing is getting to first or less, who REALLY cares. Knocking them out of the park is what made him great. And that’s where the gear came in!
Gold

[GoldieTheMack]

baseball would be dead without steroids imo

Football too!
Gold

[magic32]

babe ruth, hank aaron, dimaggio, pete rose --> none of these guys used juice. unfair advantage too say the least.

And how 'exactly' do you know this?

M.

[Pooks]

Last time I checked cocaine didnt give u an unfair advantage, if anything its the opposite...

You gotta be kidding me? Cocaine is like ephedra on crack! lol
Need to keep this kinda talk of the boards tho.

[KDRLINUS]

i'll beat the dead horse one more time. your first paragraph is 100% correct. i remember the moron who posted a while back how he couldnt understand how he got his ass beat in a fight while on juice. . second paragraph though...i gotta disagree. without going into a long discussion, the sosa-mcguire home run race absolutely saved a dying sport. after the strike interest in baseball was nill. everyone was glued to espn every night to see how many dingers bonds hit. now we wanna punish athletes for giving us what the public demands. thats insane.

while i appreciate your honesty and see your point i have to continue to disagree.

what your saying is that when the public wants entertainment we should abandon the intergrity of the sport. this line of thought is the same reason BB is so out of control today. for entertainment purposes we want mass monsters who are more chemical than man. we have abandoned symetry for size becasue that what the public wants... ultimately i believe it hurt both sports...

yes the home run race sparked interest again but by u sayin that it saved a dying sport implies that without steroids no players were good enough to attract crowds and increase popularity. thats an insult to every natural player who busts his ass every day.

[SS1476]

On Fox newd they are
even discussing his "clomid"
therapy..

[KDRLINUS]

im watchin it right now... they were like and he even took a substance called Clomid, which woman use to get pregnant... why would he take that??? hmmmm

[Stackertoo]

while i appreciate your honesty and see your point i have to continue to disagree.

what your saying is that when the public wants entertainment we should abandon the intergrity of the sport. this line of thought is the same reason BB is so out of control today. for entertainment purposes we want mass monsters who are more chemical than man. we have abandoned symetry for size becasue that what the public wants... ultimately i believe it hurt both sports...

yes the home run race sparked interest again but by u sayin that it saved a dying sport implies that without steroids no players were good enough to attract crowds and increase popularity. thats an insult to every natural player who busts his ass every day.

Unfortunately, all the press was talking about how the Sosa/McGuire race saved baseball and this was said before steroids got into the spotlight. There is no doubt that this race was steroid-fueled. I honestly think there were very few natural MLB players in the last ten years, since they couldn't test the players.
I agree that is unfair to compare Ruth to Bonds.
We know Ruth did not juice, because it just was not around during his time.
He was on anabolic hotdogs.

[SS1476]

im watchin it right now... they were like and he even took a substance called Clomid, which woman use to get pregnant... why would he take that??? hmmmm

lol.. they were so cluless
with that segment.

clomid,winstrol,HGH, to name
a few that were mentioned.

[1819]

while i appreciate your honesty and see your point i have to continue to disagree.

what your saying is that when the public wants entertainment we should abandon the intergrity of the sport. this line of thought is the same reason BB is so out of control today. for entertainment purposes we want mass monsters who are more chemical than man. we have abandoned symetry for size becasue that what the public wants... ultimately i believe it hurt both sports...

yes the home run race sparked interest again but by u sayin that it saved a dying sport implies that without steroids no players were good enough to attract crowds and increase popularity. thats an insult to every natural player who busts his ass every day.

not trying to insult. just stating fact. sad but true. i made my living playing sports and as a pro athlete i find it disgusting that the same people who demand perfection are the same ones who blast you when there's a bandwagon to jump onto. steroids are an absolute part of athletics today. i didnt use while i was playing but that was only because i didnt have the knowledge i do now. if i was playing today i would definitly use. i have been retired for 16 years and i still get out there with the young guys and my body and game are so much improved with, than without. my hats off to the guys that are natural. i know many in all sports. the sad fact is though when a paycheck is involved, no one cares how you train, end results are all that matters.

[KDRLINUS]

not trying to insult. just stating fact. sad but true. i made my living playing sports and as a pro athlete i find it disgusting that the same people who demand perfection are the same ones who blast you when there's a bandwagon to jump onto. steroids are an absolute part of athletics today. i didnt use while i was playing but that was only because i didnt have the knowledge i do now. if i was playing today i would definitly use. i have been retired for 16 years and i still get out there with the young guys and my body and game are so much improved with, than without. my hats off to the guys that are natural. i know many in all sports. the sad fact is though when a paycheck is involved, no one cares how you train, end results are all that matters.

No insult taken bro... i know your just sharing your opinion.. i never said though i didnt think steroids has no place in sports. i simply wondered why if other athletes are being made examples of, why then arent the MLB players. athletes in other sports are being banned with horrbile punishments like being banned for 1-2 years etc. for taking legal substances like dutasteride

the whole no one cares what u do as an athlete as long as u get the job done thing reminds me of when Charles Barkley said " I am not a role model" however the fact of the matteris whether u want ot be or not, you are a role model it comes with the territory. with that comes responsibility... ppl in these situations should always to to set an example which can be followed

[SS1476]

Money is the rude of all evil, unfortunetly

[1819]

Money is the rude of all evil, unfortunetly

sooo true. with regards to what you said, kdrlinus, you are correct in saying that like it or not pro athletes are role models. but if the media was so concerned with the welfare of americas youth, why are they reporting this stuff in the first place? everyday they say its bad what ahletes are doing. how dare they do this and that. they are correct in some cases. alot of cases. but why then do they feel the need to make sure every 11 year old kid knows that his hero may be doing something illegal? is it wrong to beat up your wife? yes. well in some cases is it wrong to take steroids? maybe. drugs well, to each their own. fact is unless you have people blabbing this stuff all over the place no one would know. if they are so concerned about the kids then dont tell the kids. media is to blame. always was always is.

[KDRLINUS]

sooo true. with regards to what you said, kdrlinus, you are correct in saying that like it or not pro athletes are role models. but if the media was so concerned with the welfare of americas youth, why are they reporting this stuff in the first place? everyday they say its bad what ahletes are doing. how dare they do this and that. they are correct in some cases. alot of cases. but why then do they feel the need to make sure every 11 year old kid knows that his hero may be doing something illegal? is it wrong to beat up your wife? yes. well in some cases is it wrong to take steroids? maybe. drugs well, to each their own. fact is unless you have people blabbing this stuff all over the place no one would know. if they are so concerned about the kids then dont tell the kids. media is to blame. always was always is.

i pretty much agree with you on that, but it def goes deeper.. in these cases the players are to blame as well.. they blabbed... or maybe it was just one dumb fvck... Jose Canseco.... either way your right it needs to be hush hush ..... like how it was kept from the public that pres roosevelt was in a wheelchair.

[SS1476]

Tt's Safe to say that Canseco
has opened up Pandora's Box.

Where are you Canseco,
expose yourself..U out there

[Wildcatbadass]

bonds is a a**. steroids may not improve hand/eye coordination, but it does increase strenth/endurance. It turns some of those long fly balls into HRs. He doesn't get tired as easy at his age and it makes him competitve even now. look at a photo of him before 97 and one now. drastic increase. i say ban him from hof and take that fake title he holds. babe ruth, hank aaron, dimaggio, pete rose --> none of these guys used juice. unfair advantage too say the least.

want to say back then the talent was not as uniform as it is today.... Today everyone can play

[gmmvp42]

assuming he follows his dad into baseball, what will bond's kid do if he feels he isn't living up to his father's standards? if he is not punished or shamed in some way for this, what will the rest of the kids think about "cheating"? bonds will follow pete rose and deny any wrong doing untill he feels he has been punished more than he deserves. as good as he was, he was still insecure about his abilities, just another insane part of the business.

[T Bone]

well none of that can make a man hit a 100mph fastball. hes still a great hitter! now hes a great hitter with great strength

I heard them say on the news that Bonds was complaining that he was having trouble tracking the ball and recognizing pitches. Bonds claimed that GH actually improved his ability to do this.

All in his head? I dont know, never took GH but do play baseball.