When youre cutting and cant sleep

[Myka]

For those of you who may have trouble sleeping...what do you do when you just cant sleep and you get hungry?...I know to drink water and make sure it isnt a hydration thing...

I guess if you take some drug or whatever...this doesnt apply to you...long story short..nothing helps me sleep...so in your opinion...what would be best...just have another typical meal?...also to clarify...when I say I cant sleep...I may be up anywhere from an extra 2hrs to the entire night...crazy I know...I should get some sleep but it isnt my fault...

opinions from me AR brothas

btw my normal hours are from 6am to 10.30pm...thats 16.5 hrs...its 3am right now...so you get the idea

[LAW]

I have that problem too. It is very anoying and most of the time I am up all night until i am just so exhausted I can't function, or I need a glass or two of wine to get me to sleep which isn't great for cutting. I'll be interested to see the answers too.

[juiceboxxx]

Try going to a middle eastern convient store and buy a drink called Ayran.

Most places have em that make mid east food. I dont know exactly what its mixed (I think milk, yogurt and some other stuff) its pretty sour. I promise you it will make you soo sleepy you will cry.

I'd give it a shot if I were you, its only like $1 (you never know) It worked for me MAYBE it will do the same for you

[bcap]

I eat ff cc (1/2 cup) + 1 scoop anp with half a scoop of whey RIGHT before bed. Literally, I sit in my bed, destroy it then lay down. It usually keeps me pretty full troughout the night.

[Kärnfysikern]

I meditate. I avoid drinking water late at night because I value sleep to much to wake up 15 times to piss.

[speedtraining]

i just listen to my stomach grow and think about striations in my muscles.

[Myka]

Okay bcap says to have a typical meal...and johan says to meditate...what do you do exactly?...just close your eyes and go to a nice place?

[Kärnfysikern]

well kind of but not quite.

I sit down comfortably in the lotus position and focus on my breathing and nothing else. Every time I breath out I count and when I have counted to 7 I start over again. I let all other thoughts drift away until the counting and breathing is the only thing that occupies my mind.
Sounds easy but its hard as hell to let go of all thoughts.

Anyway it usualy relaxes me enough that I can fall asleep.

[ascendant]

well kind of but not quite.

I sit down comfortably in the lotus position and focus on my breathing and nothing else. Every time I breath out I count and when I have counted to 7 I start over again. I let all other thoughts drift away until the counting and breathing is the only thing that occupies my mind.
Sounds easy but its hard as hell to let go of all thoughts.

Anyway it usualy relaxes me enough that I can fall asleep.

this is a very good idea, and works for me usually, but sometimes i just really can't clear my head with it.

oftentimes, i can't get to sleep cause i know i have to be up in 8 1/2 hours, so i have to get to sleep right now or i won't get enough sleep. i know it's psychological, but sometimes i just keep myself up cause of thinking too much about having to get to sleep.

another issue i'm having is though i'm not cutting up, i just started bulking up, so my bodies test is jumping up, and it's significant enough that it's giving my body a lot of extra stimulation which makes it hard for me to sleep. there are times where i wake up, middle of the night, and my hearts racing and i'm wide awake once again. very, very annoying.

what i find that helps other than the meditation are these:
1) lavendar and vanilla pillow mist (can find it at bath n body works)
it's a natural aromatherapy relaxant/sleep-aid that you spray on your pillow
2) melatonin - natural sleep-aid
3) mellow music - download some enya or something mellow and listen to it for a while, eyes closed, before going to bed
4) warm bath right before bed (throw in something with epsom salts in it and you're good to go)
5) warm milk - doesn't work that great for me personally, but some swear by it. it's something that goes back to your childhood as a sort of comfort thing.
6) if all else fails, some diphenhydramine hcl (allergy and sleep-aid med) will do the trick. i try to avoid the meds though and use them as a last resort for concerns of it compromising sleep, though it supposedly doesn't as long as it's not used that frequently

anyway, if you try all that and it doesn't work, about the only other thing i can suggest is find your local animal pound and try to get some tranquilizer darts to shoot yourself with, cause that's about all else i can think of. good luck.

[Kärnfysikern]

Good suggestions ascendant!!

I suffered from insomnia for about 2 years. Most of the time I got only 3 hours/night. During the worst periods I was constantly walking around like a zombie. People thought I was drinking heavily because I looked so ****ed up.

Anyway when I started meditating I cured it completely!! Luckily before that I never got into any heavy meds. I had a few non addictive sleep meds that my doc prescribed but they didnt do much. I tripple dosed 2 different ones (propavan and atarax) to even be able to go to sleep at all.

[eljugo16]

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[ascendant]

Good suggestions ascendant!!

I suffered from insomnia for about 2 years. Most of the time I got only 3 hours/night. During the worst periods I was constantly walking around like a zombie. People thought I was drinking heavily because I looked so ****ed up.

Anyway when I started meditating I cured it completely!! Luckily before that I never got into any heavy meds. I had a few non addictive sleep meds that my doc prescribed but they didnt do much. I tripple dosed 2 different ones (propavan and atarax) to even be able to go to sleep at all.

thanks, and sorry to hear about your sleep dilemma, but great to hear you got over it. i actually dealt with anxiety attacks during an extremely stressful period of my life years ago, and they had lasted for months, giving me bad insomnia as well. at one point, i had been up for 3 days straight. it got bad, but i learned to get over anxiety attacks, and without meds. it's a matter of mental discipline and understanding, and the methods above are all anyone should need to help them sleep.

as far as the meds, good to hear you stayed away from them for the most part and found a natural treatment. the meds usually lead to dependency, their side-effects tend to cause additional medical issues, and they also tend to compromise sleep to a lesser or greater extent depending on the med and the persons condition.

we're definitely both on the same level on this. hopefully others will follow and avoid the med method. again, i think the diphen hcl med is an absolute last resort for people, and i only use it once a month at most (if that). it's one of the safest sleep-aids out there, as it's actually an anti-histamine, but the other methods are definitely preferred in my opinion.

[Kärnfysikern]

thanks, and sorry to hear about your sleep dilemma, but great to hear you got over it. i actually dealt with anxiety attacks during an extremely stressful period of my life years ago, and they had lasted for months, giving me bad insomnia as well. at one point, i had been up for 3 days straight. it got bad, but i learned to get over anxiety attacks, and without meds. it's a matter of mental discipline and understanding, and the methods above are all anyone should need to help them sleep.

as far as the meds, good to hear you stayed away from them for the most part and found a natural treatment. the meds usually lead to dependency, their side-effects tend to cause additional medical issues, and they also tend to compromise sleep to a lesser or greater extent depending on the med and the persons condition.

we're definitely both on the same level on this. hopefully others will follow and avoid the med method. again, i think the diphen hcl med is an absolute last resort for people, and i only use it once a month at most (if that). it's one of the safest sleep-aids out there, as it's actually an anti-histamine, but the other methods are definitely preferred in my opinion.

yeah the 2 meds I listed are anti histamines aswell. They work somewhat.
I totaly agree with the no med approach, life you say even if meds do work in putting someone to sleep the natural sleep rythm is all ****ed up anyway so they just fool themself into beliving it helps. In sweden right now all mental disorders are more or less "pill treated". Anti depressants, benzoes, sleep meds. Its just hiding the problem imo.

What did you do to get rid of the anxiety and insomnia more specificly??

[steve0]

i just ate when i get hungry i never starve myself just have a scoop of whey you'll be ok

[Ufa]

I take AMBIEN.. They are supposed to make you dream far out stuff. Well,
thats what Jay Leno stated last night. If I don't sleep I feel like sh!t.

[ascendant]

yeah the 2 meds I listed are anti histamines aswell. They work somewhat.
I totaly agree with the no med approach, life you say even if meds do work in putting someone to sleep the natural sleep rythm is all ****ed up anyway so they just fool themself into beliving it helps. In sweden right now all mental disorders are more or less "pill treated". Anti depressants, benzoes, sleep meds. Its just hiding the problem imo.

What did you do to get rid of the anxiety and insomnia more specificly??

hiding the problem is exactly what meds do. after all, if the pharmaceutical industry ever made a cure for your ailments, they'd be putting themselves out of business. now why would they want to do that? only thing that comes closest to "cures" are antibiotics. however, though they can eliminate certain infections, they do so at a cost, which is they also destroy good bacteria in your body, particularly in your stomach and intestines, causing other problems down the road which keep you coming back for more. also, antibiotics aren't a cure, cause after the infection is treated, you can still get another infection once the antibiotics leave your system. antibiotics are what doctors can use to keep you going so you come back and they make more money, but unless a drug will keep you coming back to them, it's in your head, cause none exist on their shelves that don't do so.

as far as what i did to get rid of the anxiety and insomnia, the first thing i needed to work on was my anxiety. started with learning everything i possibly could about anxiety (the triggers, the chemical reactions going on in your body, the physical symptoms, etc). then, it is a matter of mind over matter. you have to actually learn to be able to make your mind stop the chemical reactions within your body that cause the anxiety attacks before they start by knowing the symptoms of when one is about to occur. your conscious can directly override the anxiety attacks, which are in a sense, a malfunctioning of our "fight or flight" mechanisms within our body. once you learn to have control of your conscious rather than letting the chemical reactions of your body do so, you gain a much greater understanding of the attacks and they lose any and all effect.

the other issue with keeping anxiety attacks under control is realizing your unique "triggers" and dealing with them. mine was simply extreme mental stress, so all i needed to do was learn how to not get so stressed out over things i had no control over. obviously i can't stop from dealing with stressful situations, but i can control how i react to those situations, which was another factor which keeps my body from even trying to have anxiety attacks.

of course, this was a process that's easier explained than done. like i said, i dealt with the anxiety attacks for months before finally being able to control my mind enough to override those chemical reactions. however, as a test once i gained control, i pumped myself full of caffeine for two days straight (saying as stimulants are a catalyst for anxiety attacks). i shook like a leaf for those two days and there were times i thought the anxiety attacks would happen and i wouldn't be able to stop it, but they never did.

i managed to keep control and ever since then, i have absolutely no problems with anxiety attacks. not only that, but i have a much greater understanding of my mind-body connection. only times i ever have anything even close to an anxiety attack is i'll very rarely wake up in the middle of the night and have those initial feelings as if one's about to occur. but instead of it keeping me up all night like it used to, i know exactly what it is, stop it dead in it's tracks with virtually no effort at all other than my current understanding, and i'm literally back to sleep in minutes as if nothing even happened.

the full explanation would take far more than what i can write in here, as i've probably already lost a lot of peoples interests at this point already. however, after ridding myself of the anxiety attacks, my insomnia is only occasional and far less bothersome than during my anxiety attack phase. hope i gave you the answers you were looking for. if you have anymore questions about it, feel free to pm me "johan".

[mick-g]

Try some melatonin, and warm milk mixed with honey. Maybe go to the drs and do a sleep test.

[Kärnfysikern]

hiding the problem is exactly what meds do. after all, if the pharmaceutical industry ever made a cure for your ailments, they'd be putting themselves out of business. now why would they want to do that? only thing that comes closest to "cures" are antibiotics. however, though they can eliminate certain infections, they do so at a cost, which is they also destroy good bacteria in your body, particularly in your stomach and intestines, causing other problems down the road which keep you coming back for more. also, antibiotics aren't a cure, cause after the infection is treated, you can still get another infection once the antibiotics leave your system. antibiotics are what doctors can use to keep you going so you come back and they make more money, but unless a drug will keep you coming back to them, it's in your head, cause none exist on their shelves that don't do so.

as far as what i did to get rid of the anxiety and insomnia, the first thing i needed to work on was my anxiety. started with learning everything i possibly could about anxiety (the triggers, the chemical reactions going on in your body, the physical symptoms, etc). then, it is a matter of mind over matter. you have to actually learn to be able to make your mind stop the chemical reactions within your body that cause the anxiety attacks before they start by knowing the symptoms of when one is about to occur. your conscious can directly override the anxiety attacks, which are in a sense, a malfunctioning of our "fight or flight" mechanisms within our body. once you learn to have control of your conscious rather than letting the chemical reactions of your body do so, you gain a much greater understanding of the attacks and they lose any and all effect.

the other issue with keeping anxiety attacks under control is realizing your unique "triggers" and dealing with them. mine was simply extreme mental stress, so all i needed to do was learn how to not get so stressed out over things i had no control over. obviously i can't stop from dealing with stressful situations, but i can control how i react to those situations, which was another factor which keeps my body from even trying to have anxiety attacks.

of course, this was a process that's easier explained than done. like i said, i dealt with the anxiety attacks for months before finally being able to control my mind enough to override those chemical reactions. however, as a test once i gained control, i pumped myself full of caffeine for two days straight (saying as stimulants are a catalyst for anxiety attacks). i shook like a leaf for those two days and there were times i thought the anxiety attacks would happen and i wouldn't be able to stop it, but they never did.

i managed to keep control and ever since then, i have absolutely no problems with anxiety attacks. not only that, but i have a much greater understanding of my mind-body connection. only times i ever have anything even close to an anxiety attack is i'll very rarely wake up in the middle of the night and have those initial feelings as if one's about to occur. but instead of it keeping me up all night like it used to, i know exactly what it is, stop it dead in it's tracks with virtually no effort at all other than my current understanding, and i'm literally back to sleep in minutes as if nothing even happened.

the full explanation would take far more than what i can write in here, as i've probably already lost a lot of peoples interests at this point already. however, after ridding myself of the anxiety attacks, my insomnia is only occasional and far less bothersome than during my anxiety attack phase. hope i gave you the answers you were looking for. if you have anymore questions about it, feel free to pm me "johan".

We seem to have come to indentical conclusions on this issue Fortunaly I have only had one real anxiety attack in my life and it was 2 years ago so I never had to deal with what you describe. Lots of props for pulling through that. I could not imagine having to deal with frequent anxiety attacks. That one single anxiety attack was the most horrible experience I have ever been through.

Anyway its cool to know someone else shares my views exactly when it comes to drugs(not only for mental disorders but as you say to all disorders). I am a big big fan of fixing things with minerals, vitamins and other alternative ways before touching the heavy artillery(antibiotics ect) that I feel should be saved for life and death situations.

Anyway dont want to turn this to much offtopic. Lets continute with the insomnia question

[ascendant]

Maybe go to the drs and do a sleep test.

bro, what did you miss about my above post? no doctors!!! they'll not prescribe you anything beneficial.

your other two suggestions were good, but a doctor is the absolute, end-of-all last resort for a severely sleep-depraved insomniac that is at the end of his rope, and even then i still wouldn't suggest a doctor for someones problem. once again, sleep meds are addictive, compromise sleep, and cause other health problems. there are far too many natural methods to have a need to resort to doctors. read through this thread and you'll find plenty of them.

[Kärnfysikern]

For those of you who may have trouble sleeping...what do you do when you just cant sleep and you get hungry?...I know to drink water and make sure it isnt a hydration thing...

I guess if you take some drug or whatever...this doesnt apply to you...long story short..nothing helps me sleep...so in your opinion...what would be best...just have another typical meal?...also to clarify...when I say I cant sleep...I may be up anywhere from an extra 2hrs to the entire night...crazy I know...I should get some sleep but it isnt my fault...

opinions from me AR brothas

btw my normal hours are from 6am to 10.30pm...thats 16.5 hrs...its 3am right now...so you get the idea

a few more general suggestions.

Dont drink for 1,5-2 hours before sleep.

Never use your bedroom for anything else than sex and sleep. The more associated the bedroom is with sleep the easier it is for you to sleep.

Find some relaxing routine before you go to sleep. I have noticed that sitting infront of the computer in the evening makes it hard for me to sleep(the computer is my worst sleep enemy by far). But reading a book makes it easier. You need to find a routine that calms you down.

Regular times. Stick to a routine when sleeping. Try to got to bed same time each evening and get out of bed same time each morning.

No coffein or any stimulant for atleast 6 hours before you go to bed.

Zone out all thoughts. If you have something bothering you. write it down and make sure you will pic it up tomorrow. But try to not think about it when trying to go to sleep. The worst enemy to sleep is a restless mind. Writing down what is bothering you helps alot. By writing it down you kind of archive it and get it out of the imidiet thoughts.

[Kärnfysikern]

ohh yeah have a solid meal as last meal, not a shake. Nothing is worse than going to bed beeing mad hungry.

[mick-g]

bro, what did you miss about my above post? no doctors!!! they'll not prescribe you anything beneficial.

Bro, lol! I wasn't commenting on your post, merely replying to this guys thread. Reguardless, there are Drs that specialized in sleep disorders. One doesn't have to equate prescription meds to seeing a doc, lol! If he has persistant sleep problems and has tried everything, perhaps it may stem from other factors, such as anxiety, stress, hormonal inbalances, etc. He can have tests done to find out if there is something else going on.

[ward065]

if you cannot sleep because you are hungry...your body is telling you something! Do not starve yourself or you will only lose fat (and muscle!) in the process.... losing weight too fast can cause you to lose strength, and feel weak in the gym.

[BLAZE K]

does anyone take nyquil to fall asleep?

[ascendant]

does anyone take nyquil to fall asleep?

does anyone read the threads before posting?

[G-Force]

well kind of but not quite.

I sit down comfortably in the lotus position and focus on my breathing and nothing else. Every time I breath out I count and when I have counted to 7 I start over again. I let all other thoughts drift away until the counting and breathing is the only thing that occupies my mind.
Sounds easy but its hard as hell to let go of all thoughts.

Anyway it usualy relaxes me enough that I can fall asleep.

ha ha you are such a geek johan

i love it

i have this problem when cutting cos of the ephedrine and caffeine

i just take nytol which put me to sleep within 30 mins

its good for your beta 2 receptors also

in america you find this ingredient in benadryl though
not sure u have nytol over there

[spittin' 'n cussin']

i cant believe no one said to down a six-pack then rub one out...works for me

[spywizard]

sex, and dbol.. i don't recommend the dbol though..

so sex it is..

dopamine release yea baby