Slowing of the metabolism

[Jayhawk21]

I did a 50 mg ED for 5 weeks of OT ending in February and put on 10 pounds, went from 176 to 186. After pct, and a month and a half I kept 8 pounds and weighed 184 before I went to spring break. I tried to eat as much as I could for the 9 days on spring break, but it was very difficult. I lost an even *gasp* ten pounds on spring break, and I've been unable to put the weight back on because I'm near my genetic limit. (Yes, 178 is my genetic limit. 5 years ago when I was 19 I weighed 123. You cannot judge genetic limit on weight, only by the progress you have made.)

At any rate, my question is do they make anything to slow the metabolism down? T3 and such can help you cut by speeding the thyroid up, what about slowing down? I would be in love with something like that. I am lucky, I have a schedule and part-time job while I'm in grad school that allows me to eat 7-8 meals everyday which equates to 4750 calories and I get to a standstill when I hit about 178 lbs no matter what. It seems to me steroids can help me get there, and stay there but if I go on any type of vacation or break from lifting and eating 4750 calories a day my weight and strength just sheds off and I can't get it back.

[Timm1704]

i asked a similar question on behalf of a friend the other day, seems there is nothing to slow the metabolism down sorry fella.

[Kale]

I did a 50 mg ED for 5 weeks of OT ending in February and put on 10 pounds, went from 176 to 186. After pct, and a month and a half I kept 8 pounds and weighed 184 before I went to spring break. I tried to eat as much as I could for the 9 days on spring break, but it was very difficult. I lost an even *gasp* ten pounds on spring break, and I've been unable to put the weight back on because I'm near my genetic limit. (Yes, 178 is my genetic limit. 5 years ago when I was 19 I weighed 123. You cannot judge genetic limit on weight, only by the progress you have made.)

At any rate, my question is do they make anything to slow the metabolism down? T3 and such can help you cut by speeding the thyroid up, what about slowing down? I would be in love with something like that. I am lucky, I have a schedule and part-time job while I'm in grad school that allows me to eat 7-8 meals everyday which equates to 4750 calories and I get to a standstill when I hit about 178 lbs no matter what. It seems to me steroids can help me get there, and stay there but if I go on any type of vacation or break from lifting and eating 4750 calories a day my weight and strength just sheds off and I can't get it back.

That a farking lot of food bro. How do you know its that much ? What have you used to measure it. Would you mind sharing your diet with us ?

[stupidhippo]

Im willing to believe what he says since my friend is in a similar situation as he.. I watched what he eats for a year and he really ate 8 times a day and pretty big portions and couldnt grow..

[Jayhawk21]

That a farking lot of food bro. How do you know its that much ? What have you used to measure it. Would you mind sharing your diet with us ?

Sure no problem, I used to write all of my stuff down but I usually eat close to the same thing each day because I pack my lunches for half of the meals.

9:00 AM
-NLarge Shake 3 scoops 435
-Light Yoplait Yogurt 100
-1/2 Cup of Mini Wheats 70
TOTAL 605

Post-Work Out Meal 11:20 AM
-NLarge Shake 4 Scoops 580
-Spaghetti/meatballs 480
-Banana 80
TOTAL 1140

1:00 PM
-2.5 cups of 1% Milk 250

3:20 PM
-Grilled Chicken Sandwhich 400
-2 Protein Energy Bars 420
-2 cups of 1% Milk 200
TOTAL 1020

6:30 PM
-Turkey Sandwhich on Wheat 280
-Peanut Butter 150
-2.5 cups of 1% Milk 250
TOTAL 680

9:30 PM
-4 Chicken Strips (0 trans fat) 220
-2.5 cups of 1% Milk 250
TOTAL 470

11:00 PM
-NLarge 2 Shake 3 Scoops w/Olive Oil 560
-Cashews 100
TOTAL 660

1:30 PM
-1 Large Chicken Breast Grilled 210
-3 Wheat Toast 210
-2 cups of 1% Milk 200
TOTAL 620

*DAILY TOTAL ON WORKIN OUT DAYS (5445)
*DAILY TOTAL - AFTER WORK-OUT (4385)

If you average the two out, I work out 3 days a week, sometimes four. Then I get an average of 4839.28 calories a day. I do eat oatmeal and water throughout the day, just put oatmeal in my hand and down it with water. That probably equates to about 100 to 150 calories a day but I don't really know for sure so I don't include it.

[neverenuff21]

Theres your problem. three days a week? Dude get serious, you wanna grow, at least five.

[Jayhawk21]

Working out you mean? I've tried the bodybuilder routine and it doesn't work for me. I lose strength from overtraining. I've tried a six day split, five day split, but the 5x5 training has been great for me compared to that. I actually would like to work out more because I enjoy it, but the Bill Starr 5x5 seems to have the best results for me. I'd say it's in between powerlifting and bodybuilding routine, alot of division 1 and 2 athletes including pro athletes are said to use it. It's just alot of compound work, with little isolation. Not a good idea? Thoughts?

[stupidhippo]

Theres your problem. three days a week? Dude get serious, you wanna grow, at least five.

thats such a load of crap... many pros workout only 3 days a week... soem ppl swear by the 5 day routine and some others by the 3 day... I completely disagree with ur statement that u HAVE to workout 5 times a week to grow...

[fitguy]

man i eat even more than you and i cant gain shit whatever what ,check my pics and diet and you will know what i mean ,i really wish there was something to slow down my metabolism too but there is nothing to do about it ,my workout partner gains so fast and he is short eventhough i eat a lot more than him and even stronger than him but yet he is a lot bigger than me and i loose weight so easy i i didnt train or a couple o days or played soccer ,do u believe that i loose 2-5 lbs a day i i played soccer 4 45 min or so ,it sounds crazy but thats truth i swear...

[Jayhawk21]

Yeah fitguy, I know what you mean. I try to do as little cardiovascular activity as possible which in turn probably isn't healthy. I love basketball, but if I play it I lose weight. I don't know why they can't make something like T3, but in the opposite form. There are ectomorphs out there that would pay for it...

[stupidhippo]

have u gotten ur thyroid hormone levels checked? if they are too high something can be done about them..

[ascendant]

i can tell you right now you don't want to slow down your metabolism. slowing down the metabolism will also slow down other things. for starters, it will slow your bodies protein synthesis. secondly, it will decrease your energy levels. third, it will increase your likelihood of storing bodyfat.

your focus shouldn't be looking for a way to eat less, it should be finding ways to add more calories into your meals. either add larger portions to your meals, add more shake mix in, etc.

you might also want to cut back on your milk consumption. seems like your taking milk in with almost every meal your eating. first of all, the milk protein is mostly casein, which is slow digesting. with how often you're eating, you just don't need it and would rather have something that digests faster so it's not sitting in your stomach by your next meal. also, if your body is lactose intolerant (it may be and you may not realize it, and that is more common than you think), much of the calories you're getting from the milk might just be passing through you. if your body can't digest the lactose, it won't be using those calories, and that right there will bring down your daily caloric intake a lot. finally, milk is not that great for you, despite popular belief. the homogenization and pasteurization actually make it harmful (to an extent) to our bodies, one of which is it scars arterial walls from the fine particles it's broken down into (to prevent cream from floating to the top). not like milk alone can kill you, but not something you want to be drinking as often as you are.

another issue is though your protein intake looks good, it seems like you might be a bit low on your carbs. we know your calories, but what about your fat-carb-protein grams? you might simply need to up your carbs.

also, oatmeal in your hand downed with water? if that oatmeal isn't thrown into hot water first and made how it was supposed to be, this is another thing that won't be getting digested properly. instant wouldn't be as bad, but then again instant usually has way too much sugars in it.

[Knight1811]

another issue is though your protein intake looks good, it seems like you might be a bit low on your carbs. we know your calories, but what about your fat-carb-protein grams? you might simply need to up your carbs.

also, oatmeal in your hand downed with water? if that oatmeal isn't thrown into hot water first and made how it was supposed to be, this is another thing that won't be getting digested properly. instant wouldn't be as bad, but then again instant usually has way too much sugars in it.

Jayhawk,

Ascendant has a GREAT point, many folks don't understand but in order to grow, YOU NEED CARBS. PERIOD. Not carbs from cakes and candies. Pick a good source ...usually something low on the glycemic index.

But you REALLY, REALLY need to increase carbs...and of course...if you are looking to cut up then carbs are the first things to pull back.

Knight1811

[novicenovicen]

At least he's dedicate. That was alot of typing, seems he really wants to learn. perhaps an increase in his whey protein isolate. and at 1:00 he should be having another post workout meal not milk.

[novicenovicen]

maybe a good MRP. I like Up Your Mass, because its macrobolic and all the carbs are LGI. just a thought.

[Kale]

I would be putting two cups of oatmeal into every shake you have

[brundle]

I'm a hardgainer too. I think your diet needs more fat and more carbs. Also, try a different weight gainer. Nlarge is good stuff, but it doesn't have enough carbs. I take Interactive Mammoth 2500--it has the same protein percentage as Nlarge but lots more carbs! Try it out.

[Dying Wail]

I used to be exactly the same way I could never gain shit. But then It happened! One year it stopped. At the age of 29 It all came to a stop. And now everything is flip-flopped and I try to keep my weight down. Now it is a constant struggle to keep my gut in. I've learned this( be careful what you wish for). No matter how good you look or become it will never be enough. Your best bet is keep the metabalism and lift heavy. Back then creatine worked good for me.

[Jayhawk21]

Thanks for the input guys, I guess this thread has moved out a steroid type thread but I know I do need more carbs. The problem is I don't know a quick way to eat any clean carbs quickly. I drink alot of milk, and peanut butter because it's quick. I'm not going to lie, I don't know how many of you guys have time to make the meals you do, but people already think I'm OCD. If I miss a meal I start to freak. Brown rice takes long to cook, oatmeal making and cleanup takes a long time, so it seems 100% whole grain wheat toast could be a good option for me? If I were to guestimate, I would imagine my carb % to be about 46%, Protein 32%, 23% Fat.

I would be putting two cups of oatmeal into every shake you have

I've tried this but I gag on the shit, that's why I just put some in my mouth so it forms almost a pill and swallow it. Maybe I can get used to it though. So it is necessary (or at least alot better) for the oats to be cooked in oatmeal though as ascendant states?

and at 1:00 he should be having another post workout meal not milk.

I definitely need to eat more at this time, it's something I don't really know how to overcome because this is when I am driving to class. I could probably just make another post work-out shake, or a pre-made meal with ample fast-absorbing protein.

you might also want to cut back on your milk consumption. seems like your taking milk in with almost every meal your eating. first of all, the milk protein is mostly casein, which is slow digesting. with how often you're eating, you just don't need it and would rather have something that digests faster so it's not sitting in your stomach by your next meal. also, if your body is lactose intolerant (it may be and you may not realize it, and that is more common than you think), much of the calories you're getting from the milk might just be passing through you. if your body can't digest the lactose, it won't be using those calories, and that right there will bring down your daily caloric intake a lot. finally, milk is not that great for you, despite popular belief. the homogenization and pasteurization actually make it harmful (to an extent) to our bodies, one of which is it scars arterial walls from the fine particles it's broken down into (to prevent cream from floating to the top). not like milk alone can kill you, but not something you want to be drinking as often as you are.

Yeah, I'm always worried with some of the stuff I read about some of milks harmful effects but it's so easy to get calories that way. I stopped drinking milk for a summer and found it really really hard to keep weight whatsoever so I'm pretty sure I'm not lactose intolerant, at least not fully intolerant. How can one find out for sure? I know I probably need a substitute but when you are already taking so much time eating so many meals, milk just is so easy. I just don't know how to substitute 1100 calories, and it so easy to down milk so it's easy on my time and schedule.

At any rate, I'm going to keep doing my research and try to find some rather time efficient ways to pack on some calories and add some more clean carbs. Def. gonna look into changing up my MRP

[Kale]

Thanks for the input guys, I guess this thread has moved out a steroid type thread but I know I do need more carbs. The problem is I don't know a quick way to eat any clean carbs quickly. I drink alot of milk, and peanut butter because it's quick. I'm not going to lie, I don't know how many of you guys have time to make the meals you do, but people already think I'm OCD. If I miss a meal I start to freak. Brown rice takes long to cook, oatmeal making and cleanup takes a long time, so it seems 100% whole grain wheat toast could be a good option for me? If I were to guestimate, I would imagine my carb % to be about 46%, Protein 32%, 23% Fat.



I've tried this but I gag on the shit, that's why I just put some in my mouth so it forms almost a pill and swallow it. Maybe I can get used to it though. So it is necessary (or at least alot better) for the oats to be cooked in oatmeal though as ascendant states?



I definitely need to eat more at this time, it's something I don't really know how to overcome because this is when I am driving to class. I could probably just make another post work-out shake, or a pre-made meal with ample fast-absorbing protein.



Yeah, I'm always worried with some of the stuff I read about some of milks harmful effects but it's so easy to get calories that way. I stopped drinking milk for a summer and found it really really hard to keep weight whatsoever so I'm pretty sure I'm not lactose intolerant, at least not fully intolerant. How can one find out for sure? I know I probably need a substitute but when you are already taking so much time eating so many meals, milk just is so easy. I just don't know how to substitute 1100 calories, and it so easy to down milk so it's easy on my time and schedule.

At any rate, I'm going to keep doing my research and try to find some rather time efficient ways to pack on some calories and add some more clean carbs. Def. gonna look into changing up my MRP

I hear ya brother. So here is what I do, I bought a coffee grinder and I grind that shit into the finest power, the same consistency as the protein. I throw it in the shake with the protein and it chugs straight down.

[ascendant]

as far as your problems of finding things with a lot of carbs to down on the go, i know what you mean. i'm always on the go and don't have time to be making rice all the time, portioning it out, etc, and then do the same with my chicken and all my other meals.

one thing loaded with carbs you can take with you is chips. not regular make you fat chips, but the ones you can find at a health food store that are very low in saturated fats. you can get baked ones as well, but i'd recommend the low sat fat saying as you seem to need those extra calories anyway. they're not "grade A" carbs in most peoples opinions, but they're easy on the go and they do the job.

another thing you can get for on the go is granola bars. i'd advise organic, again, from a health food store so you know there's minimal processing and preservatives involved. i get some by the name of kashi that are really good.

another way to add calories to your meals is throw dressing on anything you think it might work on. i don't remember what your meals were like and if you had anything in there you could do that with, but it's something to think about.

as far as the milk, just get some easy-to-mix weight gainers and mix them into water instead of the milk as the milks replacement. to make up for the lost fat from the milk, buy some nuts and eat them. that's another thing that's easy to take on the go as well.

you could even just throw some peanut butter into the blender with a shake and have a high calorie shake to make up for the milk. for even more carbs, throw a banana up in that piece. shakes are the way to go for massive amounts of on the go calories.

[neverenuff21]

thats such a load of crap... many pros workout only 3 days a week... soem ppl swear by the 5 day routine and some others by the 3 day... I completely disagree with ur statement that u HAVE to workout 5 times a week to grow...

Like who?

[goosed]

i wish i had a metabolism that needed slowing down!