Help from AR Lawyers&Police Officers

[thegodfather]

safety

[MAXIMA5]

Bump

[tobetutz]

Research the freedom of information act, best I can tell you.

[BG]

Ive been thinking about this for awhile now, how do you know that when you click on the banner up top and put your info in the police arent hacked in and it goes to them, this site isnt secure. Also some web-sites you order from the site it self isnt secure, yes your emails back and forth are but the intial order you put through the site isnt. Pm's on this site arent secure either, so when people pm sources and other info to each other that can be easily read by FBI also. I bet it isnt hard at all for them to get this information and the rest comes along right after.JMO

[Pinum]

I know it's documented in the discovery and available to the defendant but I do not think it's available to the public. The discovery lists evrything done during the investigation and lawyers have to formally request it. I've read a few in my day, lists names dates even the recorded conversations.

[RA]

Anything that comes out in the trial is public record and can be foia'd.

[thegodfather]

Ive been thinking about this for awhile now, how do you know that when you click on the banner up top and put your info in the police arent hacked in and it goes to them, this site isnt secure. Also some web-sites you order from the site it self isnt secure, yes your emails back and forth are but the intial order you put through the site isnt. Pm's on this site arent secure either, so when people pm sources and other info to each other that can be easily read by FBI also. I bet it isnt hard at all for them to get this information and the rest comes along right after.JMO

All INTERNATIONAL communications (telephone,cell phones,facsimilie,email,etc.) are intercepted by the NSA and other agencies and scanned for key phrases,words,etc. I highly doubt that PGP encryption stands up against agencies with billion dollar budgets, although I'm sure they would never admit this publicly, as giving people a false sense of anonymity and security is beneficial to their intelligence gathering information. Also, the FBI has developed whats called the "Magic Lantern" which is a trojan horse type program that is essentially a key logger. This logs every key stroke on the computer and is sent back to their computers. This allows them to gain passwords and keys to encryption programs the suspect may be using. Symantec(McAfee) has publicly stated that if the Magic Lantern is reported to them they will not make a countermeasure for it in their program. This information is public, so you can only imagine what their capabilities are that they dont announce...

[thegodfather]

Anything that comes out in the trial is public record and can be foia'd.

Then we need to access and compile this information. We need members on here who are familiar with the process or in the legal profession to do this for us...So...where are you guys??

[tobetutz]

I believe that if you research the freedom of information act you will find the answer that you are looking for.

[DDDNTZ]

I am ALMOST positive you cannot gain access to these types of evidence. I got into some prety big troublw when I was younger, and very recently I went to the county courthouse to look at my case and I was told I could not view any of the surveilance or any other evidence they used against me in court. You CAN get copies of the charges and court desposition.

[Teabagger]

The idea you have would be interesting, but I don't think it would help anyone much. A case is built for gear the same way it is for any other illegal drug. Before the baseball shit, really no one much cared about. It wasn't really viewed as a big crime issue. The thought was "so what if some idiots want to take chemicals to make big muscles? It's not addicting, it's not mind altering, so who gives a shit." There was about 0 money and manpower put towards enforcement. Now comes the baseball scandal and BOOM!, the politicians and media have found their latest evil darling to do battle with. The results are more money and manpower. Gear users are still pretty casual about selling/buying/and storing their gear. I mean shit, it's like its heroin right?...WRONG!! In the eyes of the law now...just as bad. The cops have snitches at gyms, health food stores, exhibitions, competitions, and even here on this forum. They manage to bust one person, they flip him and get his source, they flip him, and so on. And if anyone on here says they wouldn't flip on their source....their liars. You have a choice of either giving them a name...or going down with a felony conviction on your record forever. You'd give up the name. Remember that. We're not hard core gangsters here that can live on the streets on prison just as easily. We have families, jobs, kids, hell....we have a life worth living. Now that there are more resources going after users and dealers, everyone needs to be very careful, because you are manufact/selling/ or using illegal drugs. Just assume no form of communication is secure, because it is not. Not the internet, cell phone, land line, mail, ups, etc...

Off my soap box now.

[thegodfather]

The idea you have would be interesting, but I don't think it would help anyone much. A case is built for gear the same way it is for any other illegal drug. Before the baseball shit, really no one much cared about. It wasn't really viewed as a big crime issue. The thought was "so what if some idiots want to take chemicals to make big muscles? It's not addicting, it's not mind altering, so who gives a shit." There was about 0 money and manpower put towards enforcement. Now comes the baseball scandal and BOOM!, the politicians and media have found their latest evil darling to do battle with. The results are more money and manpower. Gear users are still pretty casual about selling/buying/and storing their gear. I mean shit, it's like its heroin right?...WRONG!! In the eyes of the law now...just as bad. The cops have snitches at gyms, health food stores, exhibitions, competitions, and even here on this forum. They manage to bust one person, they flip him and get his source, they flip him, and so on. And if anyone on here says they wouldn't flip on their source....their liars. You have a choice of either giving them a name...or going down with a felony conviction on your record forever. You'd give up the name. Remember that. We're not hard core gangsters here that can live on the streets on prison just as easily. We have families, jobs, kids, hell....we have a life worth living. Now that there are more resources going after users and dealers, everyone needs to be very careful, because you are manufact/selling/ or using illegal drugs. Just assume no form of communication is secure, because it is not. Not the internet, cell phone, land line, mail, ups, etc...

Off my soap box now.

Tea, you make valid points. That is one of the things the steroid community has prided itself on, not having members of criminal backgrounds. It is the truth that none of us are real hardened criminals for the most part. Look at our members here, big corporate people, small business owners, police officers, lawyers, doctors, basically the kind of people who make up a good neighborhood in America. It's a shame that big government needs to exploit certain things and make them evil, just to put up smoke&mirrors to the masses and make it look like they're doing something worthwhile. I know that after all these busts, it makes me want to lay low, as just an average user. I honestly dont know how some sources can sleep at night. If you think about it, although their methods are somewhat anonymous, they are not beyond the capabilities of even a local police department. Now to add to the stresses of our community Congress has upped the anty considerably regarding penalties. Our legal system is severely flawed, and the only agenda Congress had was to change the laws such that end users could be prosecuted as distributors under the new 1:1 ratio put in place. (.5ml=1 dosage unit, 1 tablet=1 dosage unit, the law IGNORES concentration and the large amount that some users consume). These are the injustices that we live with as a RESULT of having a Representative Democracy, where we elect people who once in office, do just the opposite of what we want.

[MAXIMA5]

Yeah, I think it's a shame. They hire a bunch of new officers and task forces who are forced to do their job in order to validate the necessity for their position. Although most of them may disagree with the illegality of gear, and the penalties now associated with private use, they are forced to make busts and ruin lives or their families don't get to eat.

Oh, while we're on the subject of tax dollars, isn't New Orleans still destroyed?
At least they busted two steroid dealers with the money they could have used to fix up NO.

[Ufa]

Ok, the amount of busts per month seems to be increasing at an alarming rate. These busts are not small, and with the most recent one in New York the other day, the report states that they had been watching this bro for a YEAR. It's unclear who the source is that went down, but that info is probably best kept off the boards. Here is where I'd like the help of AR Lawyers&Police Officers. I would like to know if there is any way to get a transcript of the proceedings including arraignment,deposition,&trial. This information I feel is crucial to keeping our community to safe to identify HOW law enforcement is gathering their information and where the security leaks are. As far as I know trials are a matter of public record and anyone has the right to view the transcripts, although video taping is banned in a majority of cases now. I am mainly interested in the EVIDENCE that the prosecutor uses. I.e.-wire taps, intercepted emails, confidential informants, recreational drug ties, etc,etc... I would also like any AR lawyer or police officer to tell us wether or not we can find the information from plea bargain deals, and still find out what evidence L.E. used to convict. Obviously the sources were raided, but I am most interested in the evidence that the search warrant was granted on. I believe if we could start compiling a database of this information, it would give our community a heads up as to what L.E.'s capabilities are and what practices we need to change. The great thing about AR is that the members have such vast backgrounds in the community, and we should start utilizing these resources to keep us safe.

Godfather

Godfather, all you have to do is walk into the the court where the procedings are taking place. Go to the clerk and ask for the file. It would help if you know the case number. The will not ask you any questions. If it is sealed that is a different story. Sealed files are usually for minors and divorce. You
can ask for any file any time. Old files are in storage and you may have to wait a few days for them. I don't know of any court system that has this on line. Good luck.

[smartwater]

hope this doesnt become an issue in eorope

[cfiler]

You all have to move up here to Canada. We don't have nearly the same problems.