Weight training does have a strong purpose in stand up

[sonar1234]

Hi guys, i am not writting this for MMA, or Jiu Jitsu or any ground game, reason is very simple i am your basic MMA fan that doesnt have any experience in theses great arts.

I do have my fair share of experience in competiton of course the art that everyone loves to hate which is tae kwon do and the best karate out there kyo kushin i never competed in kyo kushin please bare with me.

When my shotokan teacher school moved i was a young dude LOL and add 3 buses to take to get to that school, so my father god bless is soul found me another karate school that i only had one bus to take i was 14 years old at that time weighted in at 142 pounds at 5 feet 10 inches.

I had no problem with kyo kushin training but lets face it when it came down to bang i always ended up losing, getting ko or having to quit cause to much leg kicks, problem was that this school had very big guys, and most of them worked out at the gym just beside the karate school.

Lets face it open weight combat in shotokan was a real joke, but in kyo kushin that was quit real.

My grand father at that time asked me if i wanted to join up the gym, of course i was a student at that time had no idea of what i was gonna do in life so i add plenty of time to weight train and karate classes.

I join the gym at 15 and got trained by a bunch of huge black guys and another guy named Leo about 5 feet 5 and 180 pounds of pure muscles, he was also a football player.

I was like theses guys new toy man they got me squatting, leg pressing, bench pressing and military pressing some serious weight at that time LOL, after 3 months of training my body had changed a bit, my weight was pertty much the same i was around 145 pounds my diet was crap and i didnt eat a lot either.

But i could now hang with the big guys in sparring, my legs where so much stronger and i actually add some good power in my kicks.

At 16 i guess i made the mistake of switching arts cause my best friend father open up a tae kwon do school near my house, i never stopped training and at 19 i add reached 190 pounds that was my competition weight, combined with good cardio of course i add some pertty devastating power in striking.

I am pertty sure that against a skilled fighter i would not stand a change but still the power i was able to build with all this training has helped me a lot.

At 34 i am considering going back to martial arts, i am waiting in september cause the kenpo school has some more arts coming i know there is kickboxing now, and my damn back isnt 100% yet either.

I am back in the gym and my weight is back up to 200 pounds from 180, of course there is some diet abuse but i can also say that Vault from V12 is working great.

I really think that all type of martial arts should be combined with some type of strengh training, maybe not make it the main course but at least have it 3 times a week.

I know that Frank Shamrock is a strong beleiver in deadlifts and squats too, he add this on is website.

One other thing i was never ever built like Kimo or Ken Shamrock and i do belevie that this can cause serious problem being that big.

Thanks guys and wish me luck with the damn back

[MMA]

agreed. its kind of funny on the MMA forums, where they constantly put down regular weight training, and are constantly jumping on the latest fad workout like kettlebells, all bodyweight exercises or something. then they see tape of champions like matt hughes or mark kerr doing the basic lifts like deadlifts and squats and say "why aren't they training right? weights don't give you real fight strength". they obviously have in many cases.

[sonar1234]

agreed. its kind of funny on the MMA forums, where they constantly put down regular weight training, and are constantly jumping on the latest fad workout like kettlebells, all bodyweight exercises or something. then they see tape of champions like matt hughes or mark kerr doing the basic lifts like deadlifts and squats and say "why aren't they training right? weights don't give you real fight strength". they obviously have in many cases.

I cant put down bodyweight exercices cause they are very good has well, i still do some push ups and bodyweight squats, i got the bootcamp dvds by billy blanks and i try to do the workouts at least twice a week, the resistance bands are quit good also but they will never ever give you the real strenght that you get from weight training, has for cardio theses dvds are amazing, push ups and bodyweight squats will get your heart punding like nothing else, and the resistance bands has well the punching with them is pertty amazing and the speedbag has well.

[MMA]

bodyweight exercises are great for some things, but the squirrel necks on those forums act like weights are somehow inherently evil, and antithetical to becoming a real fighter.

[USfighterFC]

When Fedor said he doesnt weight train anymore the MMA forums took that and ran with it. Everyone's mentality was "Fedor doesnt lift weights so you dont have to lift weights to be tough." The problem is that they are not Fedor....what might work for some may not work for others.

[MMA]

they saw ONE guy at fedors camp doing kettlebells in the background of a training video, and the whole kettlebell craze started. "thats his secret!" and there isn't even any video of fedor using them.

[MMA]

one MMA trainer told me "i know ways to make you strong WITHOUT WEIGHTS!" like weights were the worst thing in the world. used properly, weights have a PROVEN record for developing many different athletic attributes.

and notice that he didn't say his program would make me stronger than weights, just that it wouldn't use them, like that was some kind of goal in itself. i don't give a $hit about the methodogy, i just want to be as strong and explosive as i can posssibly be. if weights do it, thats what i use.

[simm]

High rep bodyweight exercises,basic weighted exercises and fight training all will get you strength to a limit..Just depends on whats available and what you prefer!!!

[sonar1234]

Since i injured my back i concidered stopping weight training, i then started to do bodyweight exercices and resistance bands has well.

For conditioning they are great but i still want to have a muscular body, after all pertty much everyone is training to at least build some kind of muscular body.

Took me about 2 weeks in the gym to get the muscles pumped up again and shaped up something that push ups and other bodyweight exercices didnt do at all.

Sad thing is that with resistance bands and bodyweight exercices you get a really nice pump, and can work the entire muscles but after an hour or so the pump is gone and your muscles are back to looking the same.

BTW San Vault creatine works wonders, for pumps and strenght gains and overall apparence.

[sonar1234]

That kettlebell thing makes me laught so hard, i dont know what is worst the sauna belt or that LOL.

[MMA]

i do some bodyweight exercises too. but people have got to realize that bodyWEIGHT exercises are just that - weight. there's nothing magical about it. true athletic weight training just allows you the freedom to match the weight you use to your training goals. if my bodyweight is in the proper weight range to achieve my training goals, thats what i use. examples - sprawl drills to leaping push ups - heavy weight wouldn't allow me to to train so explosively and fast. jump squats - with heavy weight they wouldn't be as fast and explosive, and certainly not very safe.

if a bodyweight exercise is the best way to develop the athletic attribute i'm looking for i'll use it. if a certain weight training method will do it best, thats what i'll use.

it must be working, because i'm frequently told that i'm the strongest person they've ever rolled with.

[sonar1234]

MMA very interesting can you post your weight training program and how many times do you hit the gym to weight train each week.

Thanks

[MMA]

this will take a while to type up my whole program, i'll hit you when i have more time.

[zimmy]

mebe if i did more deads ... my back woudln't have gone out :|

[sonar1234]

mebe if i did more deads ... my back woudln't have gone out :|

If you do decide to do deadlifts make sure that your forms are perfect, i injured my back doing deadlifts and squats with very crappy forms