Are all my ducks lined up???

[donveto]

Hi all,
Ive been a long time lurker/researcher- and Im ready to start my first cycle.
My training stats are= Started 5'11 279lbs 49% BF
Current 5'11 178 9%BF
I have been training with a solid diet /training program for a while and Im ready to start my first cylce. BUT I think I may have done too Much studying, I have changed up my cylce more times than my underwear, but I think I got it down now.
Please check it out and let me know what you think

week 1-12 500mg Test E
weeks 1-4 20mg DBol (ED)
weeks 1-14 Letro .25mg ED
weeks 1-14 Nolva 10mg ED

MULTI
MILK THISTLE
BCAA's
Pheedo's PCT starting week 15
w/ 4g trib

Starting calories 20% over maint. increasing by 250cals every 10 days

Does this look like a solid plan to you guys , any input/ changes/modifications would help alot.

I just want to make sure My first cylce is a great experience w/ minimal problems.

My goals are to gain a clean 10-15 pounds of LBM with minimal fat gains.
Im still up in the air as to what kind of training I will do- I have had great result with full body training- but I may switch over to a 5 day split (which I have never done) to see if I can shock my body into more growth

thanks in advance for your help guys-

[SMAN12b]

Sounds like you done your homework well!! You lost 100# naturally? Thats great.
How old are you?
PCT shoudl start 14 days after last Test E inject.
DOn't really need the Dbol for a first cycle, but you should be ok with it.

Good Luck

[SMAN12b]

damn double post.....lolol

[donveto]

no AAS on the fat loose- I used eca to loose the last 25. The rest was cutting out all shit and eating clean -
24 years old

[donveto]

The only thing I was up in the air about was running nolva and letro durning the cylce, but I can't really find anything negative about it.

[Alpha-Male]

eh, you shouldn't need the letro, scratch it...i personally like proviron better than nolva, which i save for PCT...

oh, and damn bro, that's some kickass progress, clean or dirty...good job

[IRONWIL]

Props On The Weight Loss. Just Hit The Cardio Hard With The Dbol. Make Sure You Adjust Your Diet Properly To Add 10-15 Lbs Of Muscle.

[Alpha-Male]

yeah, i forgot to mention that...head outta here, make your first left, then second right, you'll see a sign that reads: Diet Forum...chill out in there, post your diet (which must be decent, but since you're attempting to pack on some muscle, maybe get a little critique just to be sure)...then make another left, and then after your first stop sign you see: Training Forum...once again, mix it up in there for a spell, ask around, mingle and whatnot...then take it on home...

(sorry, that was gay, but you get what i'm sayin' right?)

[donveto]

Im worried im prone to gyno and if im not under 11% bf I store a little water under my nipple- I thought the letro would keep me dry thats why I put it in.
Thanks for the help

as far as nutrition goes that is my shining star- I work best on a carb cylce. but I might change it up a bit for the cylce (although I will be keeping an eye out for fat gains)

My training has been chad waterbury programs based around full body w/o's
I have a few plans right now that Im tweaking and looking over.. im considering a GVT type program at the moment

[Alpha-Male]

umkay, good, BUT, just for the sake of argument, i mean, since you were able to spend some quality time in here, head over there, post your diet and training regimen, just in case??? c'mon, what's that, like ten minutes tops??? i'm not saying i doubt anything you have going on, since i don't know what it is exactly...don't know the guy's name you mentioned, but either way, sometimes it's good to get as much info. as possible, from as many good sources as you can, eh? EHHHHHH????

[taiboxa]

up dbol to 40 plz
20mg is very VERY low

[Alpha-Male]

it's his first cycle...prob. no need for the dbol period, IMO...

[donveto]

I was really just adding it for the kickstart..

[SMAN12b]

I was really just adding it for the kickstart..

First cycle should stick with single compound only, but you can go either way with it.
I wouldn't personally cause despite the strength gain, you will gain mostly water with it so I would leave it out since Test E can bloat you as well.

Best to KNOW what ONE compound is doing to you then WONDER what two are doing and not knowing which one is worse or better

[donveto]

First cycle should stick with single compound only, but you can go either way with it.
I wouldn't personally cause despite the strength gain, you will gain mostly water with it so I would leave it out since Test E can bloat you as well.

Best to KNOW what ONE compound is doing to you then WONDER what two are doing and not knowing which one is worse or better

Point well taken.
I will drop the dbol and save for a later cycle
I will just run

12 weeks test E with all the other mentioned fixings

[Anabolios]

Point well taken.
I will drop the dbol and save for a later cycle
I will just run

12 weeks test E with all the other mentioned fixings

run ldex through cycle...nolva will reduce the effectiveness of letro if im not mistaken...i say ldex will serve your purpose just fine of blocking water and other estrogen related sides

[donveto]

run ldex through cycle...nolva will reduce the effectiveness of letro if im not mistaken...i say ldex will serve your purpose just fine of blocking water and other estrogen related sides

So your saying drop the letro all together or should I run it 2 weeks prior to the cylce?? then drop it when I begin- then start 12 weeks of test e and run .25 l-dex and 10mg nolva along side.
Now Im assuming I run the l-dex and nolva right up until pct (which will be pheedo's) as that point up my nolva to 20mg ED and keep l-dex at .25mg ED through the PCT.
Thanks guys

I have not really posted on this site before but the help so far is great- Im getting a feeling this is the right forum to be at- this weekend I will be working on plotting out my diet and will be spending some quality time in the diet section!!

[donveto]

OK, after some more in depth research I think I answered my own Q.
I will save the nolva for PCT
Just run 12 weeks of test e and .25 l-dex ED alongside (and until the end of PCT, following PHEEDOS PCT)

NOW, what would be the benefits of starting the L-dex 2 weeks before the cycle..is this a do or don't or is it just personal preference.

In should also mention that I was checked for Gyno and did not have it- I dont have any lumps BUT at 9% BF I have a little water retention under my nipples - most might be loose skin from when I had fatty bitch tits- from what I gather though this will tighten up with more muscle growth- I also started chewing nicotine gum and I beleive it is a mild anti E because even with a decent amount of sodium and 2 gallons ED of water , my water retention has gone done- I bet if I cut out my sodium I could dry out even more (sodium is from sugar free jello and sugar free redbull) and my latest weakness which is DIET DR. PEPPER BERRIES and CREAM...I try to limit myself to 2 a day but I broke down and pounded 6 yesturday

[Alpha-Male]

man, i think you'd be MUCH happier with proviron...i'd save the l-dex for a later (stronger) cycle...it's a great compound, just overkill in this instance, IMHO...

[C_Bino]

man, i think you'd be MUCH happier with proviron...i'd save the l-dex for a later (stronger) cycle...it's a great compound, just overkill in this instance, IMHO...

No one can tell if it is overkill, I dont know how you can tell this by talking to a guy on an internet forum. It is not possible for anyone to be able to tell if he will be prone to gyno or other estro-related sides.

IMO an AI is always a better choice than a SERM on cycle. You would be best to have l-dex or another AI on hand. You can start the cycle without using anything to figure out if you actually need anything at all. Many people can get away with no AI's or SERM's on cycle. If this is the case with you than why run one at all?

Also if you want to use d-bol in your first cycle I see no problem at all. But like Tai said 20mg is low.

Anways, once again just use letro/l-dex if you NEED it. Since you have never done a cycle before NO ONE will be able to tell if you need it or not at this point. Its for you to find out how much estrogen protection your body needs.

[donveto]

sounds good , I will stick with the l-dex and start it at the same time as the test E..and run it straight through my PCT. I did a cylce of prohormones and did not have a huge problem with water retention- what I did get was easily lost with proper diet.

I will save the dbol for next time I think , as I want to see how i respond to just the test E- this time around.

Here is a dumb question- is it ok to take a NO2 sup while on the cylce- I have a crap load of white blood kicking around that I like to take(it has helped me during this low cal peroid.

[Alpha-Male]

No one can tell if it is overkill, I dont know how you can tell this by talking to a guy on an internet forum.

Anways, once again just use letro/l-dex if you NEED it.

hmm, seems like you don't think he'll need it possibly either...

once again, someone has managed to merely read the last post, and make a comment on it, without taking the time to read the ENTIRE thread...should you do so, you would see my recommendations, and why i feel that adex for this cycle is overkill...i told him to have nolva on hand, which should definitely be enough for this cycle...can i guarantee that? obviously not, however, i'm sure there are many on this board (some even with that cool little green-colored title under their name) who would agree, that you LIKELY will not need something as strong as adex until a MUCH bigger cycle than this...and proviron is always a better start, especially b/c of the additional FT in circulation benefit (with Nolva on hand, and for pct of course--latter is preference only)...

and dude, since when do "vets" prescribe dbol on a first cycle, especially at 40mg/day? don't get lazy bro, just cuz someone gave you a neat 'lil title...read the thread from start to finish...

[donveto]

Im going to start the cylce monday with the test e.

I already have l-dex on hand so I will use that at .25 ed and see how my body responds- I will be keeping a detailed log of training/diet/results and will go from there when it is time for my next cylce.. I would rather be safe than sorry on this first one- I would rather be overkill with the l-dex than to find out im super prone to E sides and start getting stressed out and frantic in the middle of a cylce- which IMO would ruin the whole experience for me - one that I have been working my way up to since I was 279 pounds..