Im new, just looking for advice.......

[Matt2323]

Hey

Just thought ide make a thread, see if i can get some advice.

I have read the newbie starter pack, very useful actually!

My situation is i dont eat meat, so i dont get any protien, ide say im a bit skinny (lol) not that skinny, but my arms need fattening up, stomach doesnt!

Instead of eating things like meat, can i get what i need from suppliment pills?

Im looking at avanar, never tried any of anything before, so im just making sure its the one for me, i dont want to inject (awaits to be slated hehe), i just want oral, whats the best?

Sorry got a couple of stupid questions coming up now, what roids dont make you lose your hair? My hair is thin as it is, dont fancy going bald at 23 lol.

Would like to see quick results, so less worried with risk, i know most of the side affects.

What i want to work on, is my arms and chest.

I do have a bit of fat on my stomach, will that turn into muscle? Or?

Sorry for the newbie questions, but if you dont ask you dont find out, and i cant seem to find my answers specifically in the starter pack.

Thanks

Matt

[JohnboyF]

Hey

Just thought ide make a thread, see if i can get some advice.

I have read the newbie starter pack, very useful actually!

My situation is i dont eat meat, so i dont get any protien, ide say im a bit skinny (lol) not that skinny, but my arms need fattening up, stomach doesnt!
You need to eat meat Supplements wont help you grow. Will you eat fish?
Instead of eating things like meat, can i get what i need from suppliment pills?
NO
Im looking at avanar, never tried any of anything before, so im just making sure its the one for me, i dont want to inject (awaits to be slated hehe), i just want oral, whats the best? Without a proper diet steriods wont do anything for you. I'm assuming you dont have a proper diet and training. Most oral only cycles are terrible. If you're scared to inject your not ready for steriods IMO

Sorry got a couple of stupid questions coming up now, what roids dont make you lose your hair? My hair is thin as it is, dont fancy going bald at 23 lol.

Would like to see quick results, so less worried with risk, i know most of the side affects.There is so no such thing as quick results, Everyone thinks steriods are magic but everyone in this forum puts their work in some ppl are in the gym at 4 am. Other at midnight.

What i want to work on, is my arms and chest.What about the rest of your body? Working your chest only will cuz you to hunch over, Where is the back? legs, shoulders?

I do have a bit of fat on my stomach, will that turn into muscle? Or?
The only way to loose the fat is throught diet and cardio. You need to post some more info about yourself.
Sorry for the newbie questions, but if you dont ask you dont find out, and i cant seem to find my answers specifically in the starter pack.

Thanks

Matt

Whats wit the finger?

[Matt2323]

LOL i thought it was a wavy hand!!

Edited and deleted, sorry!!

[lanky]

if you dont eat meat are you getting most of your protein from shakes and if so do you have a variety of different shakes?

[davedizzle]

If you don't eat meat start getting very friendly with cottage cheese.
Can we have some stats please?
Age, weight, training experience, diet (inc supps) etc thanks

[fijiman09]

You really need to get your diet fixed before you start AS. As far as being a vegetarian, there are some great articles out there on how to gain without eating meat. What type of vegetarian are you? Vegan, ovo-, lacto, lacto-ovo-, pesco-, semi-?

You can get a lot of your protein from non-meat sources especaially whey, soy, eggs and dairy (if you're a lacto-ovo-vegetarian). You're not going to get protein from taking pills, but you probably should take some amino acid supplements. You also need to make sure you're getting plenty of calories.

I understand that Bill Pearl, Cory Everson, and Andreas Cahling were vegetarians. Bill Pearly might have something on it in his book, I'm not sure. C.C. Sandorfi wrote a good article titled "Garden Variety Muscle" in the 2003 Total Nutrition issue of Muscle & Fitness. Try running a search on Google, Yahoo, or even on this board with the keywords "bodybuilding" and "vegetarian".

As I said before, you should get your diet completely hammered down before you start with AS.

[Matt2323]

Good points here guys.

Your right, i need to sort a diet out first, so thats what i will get sorted before i order anything.

Stats - just incase anyone thinks i didnt do stats from lazyness or something, i did put them all on my profile

Age - 23
Weight - 11 stone (uk)
Training Experiance - being honest with you, not alot, when i was 17/18 i did alot of weight lifting, then stopped (it wasnt working, diet was not right, i was stupid) from then up until now ive done a bit on and off, just lifting at home.

Diet - at the moment, i eat alot of veg, carrots, peppers, sweetcorn, peas, i also eat things like chinese take aways, and mcdonalds (being honest here!), as far as drink goes, i dont really drink, i may have a beer or two every 3 weeks or so, thats it. I drink alot of pure orange juice, and fizzy drinks like coke.

On my profile it asked me about my body fat percentage, i just didnt know the answer, how do i work that out so i can post it here?

Suppliments - at the moment i dont take any, but will buy what i need for training from advice.

Training isnt a problem, i like doing it, just a bit frustrating when you dont really see a change (which is my fault entirely).

I dont eat meat at all fijiman09, im vegan, BUT, its not a problem like, i will avoid everything with dairy in, i do eat things with dairy in and its no problem, i just dont sit there eating cheese etc.

Trying to give as much info as possible, so sorry for the long post.

As far as training goes, i can train every day, for as long as need be.

My body - im pretty much avarage, avarage sort of chest and stomach, but my arms look a bit skinny.

My aim - to build my arms up, harden my chest, and flatten my stomach area and attempt to see a bit of a 6 pack if i can ever find it again....lol.

So i will get a diet down, and go buy all the stuff, and start eating that and training, then i will look at a way to start the harder stuff, its what i need if im going to get my arms a bit bigger, its bordering embarrasing, as my diet has never had protien really so my arms look weak.

Thanks guys

Matt

[davedizzle]

Take note of the 3 bigs.
Lift BIG, Eat BIG, Sleep BIG!
That's how I like to do it.

I prefer 3 tuff 1hr sessions a week
Mon: Chest/Shoulders/Triceps
Tue: Off
Weds: Back/Biceps
Thu: Off
Fri: Legs
Sat & Sun - 2 days rest for legs

You should try and eat every 3 hrs. Breakfast & Pre sleep meals very important. Visit diet forum.
Your diet will make a HUGE difference.

Stay hydrated - 4 Litres water a day.

Essential supplements in my opinion are: Multivit, whey and o-mega 3,6,9 oils. I wouldn't go without these 3, if you can afford it get some amino acids or a whey powder with a good amino profile,glutamine and some maltodextrin/dextrose. A quick carb like malto or dextro is in my opinion essential after your workout.

Oats & tuna will make you a real man.

[hippie1171]

if you dont eat meat you will get alot of protein from the shakes. also, if you are even remotely considering AAS you need to get your diet in CHECK! the muscle will NOT turn into fat, you might lose the fat through cardio and then bulk up, but not a instant transformation. research.

[Matt2323]

Hey guys - thankyou very much again!

Hippie - can i just comfirm with you, that you did mean "the muscle will NOT turn into fat" and not the other way around....the fat will NOT turn into muscle?

I am doing alot of reading on this forum, diet wise first.

Davidizzle - i like your training program there! Can i ask a silly question please, if your diet is perfect, and your on AAS, does it go like...the more you work out, the bigger you get/the better it works? Or is 3 x 1 hour sessions a week good enough/as good?

I am almost done with my diet list, and suppliment list (thanks David).

I have to ask this one, because i need to know, every male in my family has gone bald lol, i dont want my hair to fall out with AAS, so my question to you guys is....can you tell me some good oral steriods that wont make my hair fall out? If they ALL do, what can i do to prevent hair loss?

This forum is great!

[SwoleCat]

I equate people wanting to be bb'ers or gain muscle who are vegetarian to people who wish to become doctors but don't want to go to medical school.

Some things are just not realistic if you have limitations. That's just the way it is. I actually don't work w/people as clients if they are vegetarians/vegans, as I don't believe that to be conducive to the goals set forth whatsoever.

~SC~

[Matt2323]

Erm, ok cool, that helped alot thankyou lol

[Bigmax]

guy at the stage you're in...please dont even condider AAS.You need to build a good solid base.That can take up to a few years.Right now keep training and eating big(good foods)...do your research and then you can consider AAS.As of now you will do more harm than good to your self.

[davedizzle]

Can i ask a silly question please, if your diet is perfect, and your on AAS, does it go like...the more you work out, the bigger you get/the better it works?

No! You'll end up over training. You CAN train more frequently and harder on AAS but you must not overtrain. You must familiarise yourself with your body and learn when you are asking too much of it.

I would stick to 3 x 1hr sessions a week but add more sets.

Bro have a 3 month solid blitz of natural training with a perfect diet and you may well be amazed with the results.

[Matt2323]

Thanks guys.

If you looked as skinny as me, you would want AAS too (lol), i need all the help i can get!

I agree, i wont over train, i will do your program, with 3 1hr sessions a week, and the perfect diet!

Im only thinking oral AAS you see, to help this along, im not doing this to look big, also doing it for confidence and to feel better about myself!

[one8nine]

this isnt the lifestyle for you if you dont eat meat you cant have both you have to forget about one of them

if you are scared of needles you are not ready for this stuff. IMO if sides are a concearn you are not ready either. ofcourse we will all do what we can to get minimum sides but if you dont have the balls to deal with them then you should have them the only way to not have them is to stay off the juice.

[one8nine]

Thanks guys.

If you looked as skinny as me, you would want AAS too (lol), i need all the help i can get!

I agree, i wont over train, i will do your program, with 3 1hr sessions a week, and the perfect diet!

Im only thinking oral AAS you see, to help this along, im not doing this to look big, also doing it for confidence and to feel better about myself!

if you are skinny and you havent been eating right or working out right then you could easily gain 10 pounds in a month maybe more if you do everything right, and 10 pounds in the next month or 2. IMO even heavy users after years of training cant gain as much in a year as someone who is starting to eat right and work out right the first year

[hippie1171]

haha, yeah thats what i meant. got muscle and fat mixed around. typing to fast.