BJJ and AAS

[Grappler13]

I'm going to devote myself completely to BJJ for the next few months. I'll be practicing 5-6 times per week. My question is whether y'all would recommend running a cycle without weight training (only relying on the evil isometrics of BJJ training). I won't even think about gear until I've been consistently practicing as stated above for a minimum of 4 months.

However, I have a stash of var/dbol/deca/ and test enth (plenty) and am wondering what your thoughts are on cycling while only using BJJ as one's for of exercise. I could probably do a few HIT routines a week but from my experience, I will be drained at that level of BJJ training. I eat spot on and get sleep, etc.....

Wondering if there is any advantage to running a cycle during a BJJ only training program? I assume I would recover faster which could allow some weight training but what is the consensus on gains made using heavy BJJ workouts instead of lifting. FYI, I'm not a bodybuilder in the traditional sense but enjoy quick recovery from AAS and am seeking power and overall strength.

I'm thinkink about doing 20mg/ed dbol for the first 4 weeks, 600mg test-e/wk for twelve and go for anavar at 60mg/ed for six weeks (two weeks past my last shot of test-e.) PCT will be nolva and maybe HCG until recovered. I'm guessing that I could gain some strength, lose some fat and assist my recovery with this plan. Any advise is appreciated.

My last cycle was 30mg dbol/ed fro the first four weeks and 500mg enth for eleven weeks followed by clomid/nolva pct.

I'm shooting for strength and lean body mass but wouldn't mind some temporary bloat in the first part from the dbol.

Suggestions? Stupid Idea?

[G-1000]

What would work good is eq var and a low does of test.

[Grappler13]

I wouldn't mind a little mass during the cycle, at least at first. My main question is whether you think that lots of real BJJ work will cause sufficient muscle fatigue to produce increases in strength and lean muscle.

Thanks Bro

[G-1000]

you will build lean muscle with that kind of cambo. The nice thing is you will lean out and get hard. The eq will also increase rbc. In had this will help endurance and muscle fatigue.

How long is the training?

[Grappler13]

you will build lean muscle with that kind of cambo. The nice thing is you will lean out and get hard. The eq will also increase rbc. In had this will help endurance and muscle fatigue.

How long is the training?

30 minutes of cardio warmup and drills/ 30 minutes of working new moves and 30 minutes of all out 100% rolling. It's brutal, both physically and mentally and I'm as sore from those worouts as I am from heavy weights (no aas of course). I just cannot commit the time to the gym adn BJJ and wonder if BJJ will provide enough muscle stimulation for growth on cycle. I think it would but y'all have more experience. Again, I'm not looking for the body builder look but enjoy the lasting gains from a good cycle.

[Timm1704]

me personally on dbol i find my cardiovascular endurance takes a hit. maybe take that into account

[G-1000]

30 minutes of cardio warmup and drills/ 30 minutes of working new moves and 30 minutes of all out 100% rolling. It's brutal, both physically and mentally and I'm as sore from those worouts as I am from heavy weights (no aas of course). I just cannot commit the time to the gym adn BJJ and wonder if BJJ will provide enough muscle stimulation for growth on cycle. I think it would but y'all have more experience. Again, I'm not looking for the body builder look but enjoy the lasting gains from a good cycle.

Both the eq and var will build muscle with out lifting heavy weights. It will help provent muscle break down as well. with the cardio before the training you body is going catabolic and eating it's muscle. This will prevent this as well.

[Grappler13]

me personally on dbol i find my cardiovascular endurance takes a hit. maybe take that into account

But I assume that it would force me to work my technique versus my strength in the first month?...and from y dbol experience, the isometrec nature of BJJ should promote some early stregth gains. I really respect this site and like to do my research but as any BJJ practitioner knows, being winded is a fact of life and the better you can deal with it, the more you rely on technique. I'm strong but 135lb Brazilians toss me around like a little kid due to their superior technique.

I just am wondering if alot of hard BJJ practice would stimulate my muscles enough to make AAS an option without the weight room or at most, minimal weight training. Hell, we do trees, cary each other around the studio on our shoulders (I can always choose the big guy) and it seems to me to be a complete full body workout including cardio). I know the dbol will wind me but I'm going low dose and only 4 weeks followed by the enth and var......if y'all approve.

[Grappler13]

Both the eq and var will build muscle with out lifting heavy weights. It will help provent muscle break down as well. with the cardio before the training you body is going catabolic and eating it's muscle. This will prevent this as well.

The whole 1 and 1/2 workout is really just a mix of cardio and heavy isometrics with some power lifting interspersed.

[G-1000]

The var will make you strong and shit. More so then d-bol..

Bro you would be like a fighting machine. Lean fast hard endurance

[G-1000]

But I assume that it would force me to work my technique versus my strength in the first month?...and from y dbol experience, the isometrec nature of BJJ should promote some early stregth gains. I really respect this site and like to do my research but as any BJJ practitioner knows, being winded is a fact of life and the better you can deal with it, the more you rely on technique. I'm strong but 135lb Brazilians toss me around like a little kid due to their superior technique.

I just am wondering if alot of hard BJJ practice would stimulate my muscles enough to make AAS an option without the weight room or at most, minimal weight training. Hell, we do trees, cary each other around the studio on our shoulders (I can always choose the big guy) and it seems to me to be a complete full body workout including cardio). I know the dbol will wind me but I'm going low dose and only 4 weeks followed by the enth and var......if y'all approve.

I said this before YES. Var will build some muscle even if you sit on you ass in frt of a TV.

[Grappler13]

This cycle will nor start for a few months but I'm very interested in running one without the typical weight room plan. I LOVE bjj and really want to put together a good aas plan for it. I'll start goal setting and get this post started back soon. Thanks again.

See ya soon

[G-1000]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199816

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199851

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...2&highlight=eq

[Grappler13]

Thak you. I'll keep you posted.

[trashydiva24]

why not post this in the boxing/wrestling/MMA group????

technique is VERY important with BJJ... BUT strength sure helps get some of the submissions... as a chix i have to work on both training with the dudes at my MMA gym... i did a var cycle and only saw gains in muscle, but i was doing BJJ x3/week, Muay Thai x3/week, and threw in some boxing as well - along with cardio

some juice will make endurance training difficult - but you should be working on technique and can get the endurance for the little brazilian bastards later

good luck and train hard!

[vermin]

Dude, tennis players use AAS, marathoners use AAS, track, cyclists, iron man, MMA, beach volleyball, hockey - they all use AAS. Different substances and at different points in training, but AAS is not just for BBers. Reduced recovery time, increase in LBM, decrease in BF, etc. etc.

[G-1000]

Var and eq give great endurance.