Just started Phera-Plex Cycle .... Before Pics

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

Been taking Lions Clen for the past week. Will be taking it for one more week then taking a break. Just recieved PP today. Doing 20mg a day for the first 10 days, then bumping it up to 30mg for the following 10 days, then dropping back to 20mg for the last 10 days. I did a cycle of Trenadrol earlier in the summer at 20mg/30mg with no side effects other then a slight increase in attitude and aggression. For those who wish to know, Trenadrol does work, my pumps and stamina were insane, I gained 12 lbs in 5 weeks and my strength improved considerably. Im now trying PP to see how it compares.

Taking the following supplements:
Niacin
Hawthron Berry
Milk Thistle
Anabolic Xtreme Perfect Cycle
B12
Ginkgo Biloba
Taurine
T3 Dietary Sup.
Diuertic

Stats at start:
Age: 22
BF: 27.6%
Height: 5'8
Weight: 186.5lbs
Fat Mass: 51.6lbs
Fat Free Mass: 135lbs
Max Bench: 230lbs

BEFORE

[STEROIDZZ]

sounds like your wanting to get a lil bigger and lean.. i dont know much about the PP but i had a friend take it and he loved i t.. he is also 180lbs and benching 380 lol...and only 19yrs old but good foundation i hope things work well for you

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

Bigger is better. I do want to gain some size and definitely lean out. I have such a high BF % but honestly I can't figure out where it ALL is. I know I have it in the mid section and love handles, and a little on the back but thats it! Lean out while putting on muscle mass and gaining some strength, thats the goal.

[Sepsis]

IMHO in that pic you do not have 28%BF. whoever told you that was off by at LEAST 5-7%. you are more like in 19-22%. otherwise good luck!

[RobbieG]

who cares what you bench ?

how´s the deadlift and squat ?

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

IMHO in that pic you do not have 28%BF. whoever told you that was off by at LEAST 5-7%. you are more like in 19-22%. otherwise good luck!

Just last week I had all my stats takin' electronically, what are the chances this technic is wrong or off?




I put my bench so that theres something to compare when my cycle is over.

[NewyorkGiant]

are you sure you are 27 percent bf? cause from that pick that is way off.

[1320bike]

Great base though, I agree your more about 19-20% BF

[Unoid]

Yeah bf is more like 15-17%

I look comparably to use fat wise and by caliper 3 pinch i am 12.54% but I know I'm more like 15%

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

DAY 1

Well ... my first workout experience on PP was great. I didn't recieve the PP till later in the day so I took 20mg at once (probably shouldn't have). Hour later headed to the gym, within a half hour of working out my arms felt like they were going to explode, it felt great, the pumps were amazing!! Can't wait to see how this will effect me a week from now.

On the downside, and Im not quite sure if PP had anything to do with this, last night a good 3 hours after working out my heart was pounding. I noticed it mainly because I was laying in bed watching the first season of Nip Tuck. It didn't quite scare me but it was defintiely noticable (it wasn't an overly quick beat, more of a stronger, louder beat) and prevented me from falling asleep quickly. I did take 100mcgs of Clen yesterday but my last dose was at 4:30 and I hadn't expereinced any probs from Clen previously this week. Could this just be my body getting used to the PP?

[Warrior21]

100 mcgs of Clen makes me feel like shit. I think it was the clen, or a combo of both.

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

100 mcgs of Clen makes me feel like shit. I think it was the clen, or a combo of both.

I didn't take it all at once, took 3 shots in the early AM around 830, then one around 1230 then one around 400. I figured if anything Id have felt the effects earlier then 10PM or they would have at least worn off by then. I think Ill keep my dosage of Clen around 60mcgs for the last week, while on the PP.

[dblock189]

Nah bro, i would def say your not 27%. I would say around 15%.

dblock

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

Well all these opinions on my BF % are certainly nice to hear. Ill admit I almost had a heart attack when I saw that number come up. Back in March I was 17% (When it was takin' with pinchers), then in June I was up to 20% ... three months later (last week, taken electronically) it showed the 27%. I eat well, cheat everyonce once in a while but nothing crazy, all natural organic foods, juicer .... baffles me. Poor genes <----

Im definitely going to have to checked again!!!!

[dblock189]

Yea def have it go checked again but dont worry bro i'd say around 15. let me know what it is im curious....also the thing with calipers it can be off 1%. When i got it done i was 12.8. so that could be 11.8 or 13.8 which to me is a big differnece lol... i hear its never accurate unless you get it done underwater. I would just go by how you look. You cant go wrong like that .


DBLOCK

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

Not quite sure what its called but I had my done one a scale like system, take socks off, step on metal plates and it gives a reading 10 seconds later. More or less accurate then pinchers?!?!

[dblock189]

i would say less accurate then pinchers.....i'd like to hear what the other guys got to say......


dblock

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

Day 2

Worked out the shoulders tonight, not seeing any increases in strength just yet, certainly don't expect to, its only day 2. I do however notice an increase in stamina while lifting. My shoulders sure did swell up afterwards, I looked twice the size of that above picture, veins sure are poppin' too, Im sure the combo of the diuretic and PP are causing this .... .looks great



Been meaning to ask .. for those who have used AX's Perfect Cycle .... does your smell like a dead animal, b/c mine certainly does, if so whats causes this?

Note: It smells 10x worse when it comes out the other end!

[t66stang]

yea i just recevied mine and it smells horrible. Wat do u have pct.

[t66stang]

im going to do a cycle of Pher-Max

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

yea i just recevied mine and it smells horrible. Wat do u have pct.

Well I was planning on AX's Retain, PCT and Rebound XT as well as another 2 weeks of Clen. After reading about the 3 it seems they should do the trick, if anyone thinks otherwise please, your input would be greatly appretiated. If Novadex or Clomid in necessary then Ill have to order some now .....

Heres are descriptions of the following so you don't have to find them yourselves:

Rebound XT:

Rebound XT, containing the high bioavailability active ingredient Diene-3, will prevent your body from converting muscle-building testosterone into estrogen, while indirectly increasing the amount of total testosterone your body produces. This will allow you to gain strength, enhance recovery and build more muscle.

Estrogen is necessary in the body in small amounts for maintaining healthy blood profiles, maintaining bone density, glycogen synthesis and various other functions. In females it is obviously required in larger amounts for primary female characteristics. However, in males, estrogen in amounts higher than necessary can be detrimental to your physique.

You only have to look at a man with a bad case of gynecomastia (gyno) to realise this. Not to mention, estrogen can cause water retention that obscures definition, confiscating the ôhardö look we are after as bodybuilders.

Males do not have organs that manufacture estrogen. Instead, they derive estrogen by producing testosterone, some of which is then converted into estrogen when needed. This is done by an enzyme called aromatase. The body strikes a balance between levels of testosterone and estrogen. Should anything upset this balance, the body tries its best to correct the problem. Therefore, if estrogen levels are lowered, your body increases testosterone and aromatase production in order to re-establish normal estrogen levels.

Diene-3, the active ingredient present in Rebound XT, is an aromatase inhibitor. Unlike non-steroidal AI such as anastrazole or letrozole that bind to the aromatase enzyme but can later detach, Diene-3 binds to the enzyme irreversibly, essentially committing suicide in the process (ôsuicidal inhibitionö). Once attached, the AI cannot be separated from the aromatase enzyme, and so the substrate must be metabolized by the body. In a bid to maintain homeostasis and re-establish normal estrogen levels, the body bolsters testosterone production and also increases aromatase concentrations. Of course, with the presence of Diene-3, aromatising (to a significant degree) will not occur. The net result of supplementing with Rebound XT is lowered estrogen levels and increased testosterone levels û an excellent environment for adding lean mass and stripping away unwanted body fat. One of the benefits of a steroidal AI over non-steroidal AI is the ability to maintain or improve healthy cholesterol and blood profiles. While long-term use of Rebound XT will eventually lead to disruptions within the body regarding cholesterol and blood profiles, due to constant estrogen suppression, shorter 6-8 week cycles can be performed without these issues arising. Cycling lengths of no longer than 12 weeks at a time, with at least half of this duration of the product. An excessive level of estrogen is no longer a problem with Rebound XT, and now there is a product on the market that not only claims to increase endogenous testosterone levels, but it actually does increase testosterone levels.

Retain

This matrix of compounds including 17a-methyl-baET which works by inhibiting a natural enzyme to lower muscle destroying cortisol levels in the muscle tissue. Cortisol is the number one reason for losing muscle mass after an anabolic compound cycle. Retain also increase T-3 production from the thyroid which causes an increase in metabolism and fat-loss. This is the only post cycle product to ever keep your body in an anabolic state while cutting fat, to get you completely shredded. When combined with PCT and proper diet, most users report no post-cycle muscle loss and up to a 3% drop in body fat.

PCT

Is a hormone optimizer that can increase your natural testosterone production by as much as 400%, while combining a new powerful anti-aromatase that decreases estrogen levels in males an average of 50%. There is also a new and highly aromatase inhibiting compound that binds to aromatase more tightly and prevents estrogen conversion

[rar1015]

In my opinion you should be using Nolva or clomid for pct. Some people have experienced gyno issues using nolve but i got lucky and didnt. For my next pp cycle i will be using clomid/aromasin.

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

In my opinion you should be using Nolva or clomid for pct. Some people have experienced gyno issues using nolve but i got lucky and didnt. For my next pp cycle i will be using clomid/aromasin.

The aboves claim to do the same exact thing Nolva and Clomid do ....

[Tunez]

I took PP back in Feb wit SD....the results were awesome...gained 15 pounds but lost 5 during pct, this was probably do to the fact i took the A/X PCT package.....i think clomid/nolva would work alot better or maybe just clomid added to the A/X Pct package....i dunno just letting you know....goodluck with it.

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

Day 3

Its only been 4 days at 20mg and honestly I feel bigger, whether or not I am I don't know. Worked the back last night, back has never been my strongest area but if sure felt stonger yesterday. Was using 20-30lbs more on some exercises. After our workout my buddy said my back looked like it has gotten much bigger, obviously it was pumped up from a great workout ... on PP. This evening Ill be doing a vigourous Bi's and Tri's workout ....

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

I think you can get a better idea of where my BF % came from based on the picture above

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

Day 4

My Bis and Tris again felt like they were going to explode. Stamina and endurance has increased a great deal. My arms were huge after my workout, felt great, looked great. Definitely feel like I get more out of my workout while taking PP then without. I can't explain this enough, the pumps while taking this stuff are insane, almost painful, but not in a bad way. Havent experience any side effects as of now so Im looking forward to increasing my dosage to 30mgs per day. I may tweak my original plan and finish up the first 7 days with 20 mgs, then take 30 mgs per day for the following 14 days, then drop back down to 20mgs for the last 7.

[IIIIIIIIIIII]

Warning #1

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

ok... a few things...

glad your having "great gains" of your placebo... sure the shit pumps you a little but in 4 days your seeling amazing results!?!?!? My ass!!

No one really cares about your daily log other then some noobs... jot this shit down and send it to the company that makes PP...

Hmm ... why don't you re-read thru what Ive written. Where does it say Ive GAINED anything? Just b/c I said I FEEL bigger doesn't mean I am. My weight is still the same, I haven't noticed any major increase in strength. Ive simply said that my workouts feel even better since Ive started taking PP. No need to be a dick. And with 200+ views Id say there must be quite a few people interested in my experience with the product, NEXT.

[BajanBastard]

ok... a few things...

glad your having "great gains" of your placebo... sure the shit pumps you a little but in 4 days your seeling amazing results!?!?!? My ass!!

No one really cares about your daily log other then some noobs... jot this shit down and send it to the company that makes PP...

PP is a steroid, now shut the fuck up and keep your shit out of the man's log.

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

PP is a steroid, now shut the fuck up and keep your shit out of the man's log.

Thank You.

[guest589745]

ok... a few things...

glad your having "great gains" of your placebo... sure the shit pumps you a little but in 4 days your seeling amazing results!?!?!? My ass!!

No one really cares about your daily log other then some noobs... jot this shit down and send it to the company that makes PP...

You need to be polite or shut the fu*k up.

[Warrior21]

You need to be polite or shut the fu*k up.

Yep, uncalled for. Good job with PP! Shit if roids don't work Skull why not we try this.

Hey I'm talking to a couple rejuv clinics. Theyre going to take care of my problem hopefully.

[guest589745]

Yep, uncalled for. Good job with PP! Shit if roids don't work Skull why not we try this.

Hey I'm talking to a couple rejuv clinics. Theyre going to take care of my problem hopefully.

it is a steroid and it is too harsh on the liver. Other mroe efficiant compounds could be used.

[IIIIIIIIIIII]

thats the same as superdrol and those designer steroids... for what they are worth they put too much stress on the liver... and after a while im sure m not the only person sick seeing this kids diary pop up every hour..

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

it is a steroid and it is too harsh on the liver. Other mroe efficiant compounds could be used.

How harsh in comparison. One main reason I didn't want to take something like Test or Deca is fear of damaging the liver. I know injections are better then orals but figured this would be a safer ..... I know SD is toxic but PP too, I knew it was to an extent. Is 1000mgs of Milk Thistle a good deturant to damage?

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

thats the same as superdrol and those designer steroids... for what they are worth they put too much stress on the liver... and after a while im sure m not the only person sick seeing this kids diary pop up every hour..

No I don't plan on giving my input every f*cking day for the next 3.5 weeks. From this point on it'll be once a week. By the way, your useless responses are only making this thread pop up more and more, maybe that 750mg/wk of Deca is effecting your brain cells.

[guest589745]

How harsh in comparison. One main reason I didn't want to take something like Test or Deca is fear of damaging the liver. I know injections are better then orals but figured this would be a safer route. I know SD was toxic but PP too? Is 1000mgs of Milk Thistle a good deturant to damage?

SD and PP are more harsh than Dbol or winstrol as far as I know, and you would have been much easier on your liver with test/deca .

the only reason people use pp or sd is because they are easier to get ahold of than real steroids, imo.

milk thistle will help but I have a theory that thistle increase CYP3A4 and therefore lessens the effects of orals.

[BIG LITTLE MAN]

SD and PP are more harsh than Dbol or winstrol as far as I know, and you would have been much easier on your liver with test/deca .

the only reason people use pp or sd is because they are easier to get ahold of than real steroids, imo.

milk thistle will help but I have a theory that thistle increase CYP3A4 and therefore lessens the effects of orals.

I considered Winstrol and Dbol but decided not to take because Dbol makes ya bloat up, and I already have issues with that. I inquired about Winstrol on numerous occasions and was told it wouldn't be good for a first cycle. As for Test, I stronglly considered it, but Im fearful that it could cause hairloss as I have it in my genes.

[guest589745]

thats the same as superdrol and those designer steroids... for what they are worth they put too much stress on the liver... and after a while im sure m not the only person sick seeing this kids diary pop up every hour..

then don't read it. just an idea.