Lets get to the bottom of this, why the prop pain ?

[stuball]

Can someone PLEASE tell me ( or us )what causes prop pain, now i have tried three different brands Sus amps ( painfull even at 30 mgs ) F**m*k amps 50 mgs per mil ( totaly painless ) And a ugl that is almost painless...So im guessing its not the prop but something added to it, im thinking alcohol, Who really knows the answer ???? For so long ive been hearing about prop pain, can we finally put an end to this ??? thanks

[flash31]

I made prop at 2BA 20BB, hurts like a mofo (for a week!)

made another batch at 1BA 9BB, hardly any pain (pain gone by the next day)

[stuball]

I made prop at 2BA 20BB, hurts like a mofo (for a week!)

made another batch at 1BA 9BB, hardly any pain (pain gone by the next day)

So is it cheaper to make it 2ba 20bb ?? Like i know what that means, lol, sorry for the stupid question..

[flash31]

It's actually cheaper to make 1%BA 9%BB, less solvents used.

Many say BA causes pain in prop. I've used UG stuff where it was 5BA 15BB, it hurt like hell. My homebrew at 2BA 20BB hurt just as bad. Now I make 1BA 9BB, the pain is much much less.

So i'm guessing for me it's the BB that causes pain. It's holding the compound at injection site longer so the pain lasts alot longer too.

[stuball]

It's actually cheaper to make 1%BA 9%BB, less solvents used.

Many say BA causes pain in prop. I've used UG stuff where it was 5BA 15BB, it hurt like hell. My homebrew at 2BA 20BB hurt just as bad. Now I make 1BA 9BB, the pain is much much less.

So i'm guessing for me it's the BB that causes pain. It's holding the compound at injection site longer so the pain lasts alot longer too.

So bottom line its cheaper, The F**m*k i mentioned is human grade, totally painless but only dosed at 50 mg's per mil and real expensive i guess thats why.. Thanks

[welloiledmachine]

Hands down...good answer. Flash. It is the BB. As the derivitive of the med is broken down to be suspended in oil, it is the Benzyl used to dissolve the raw material that is painful. Its never the med. Whether it is FDA approved from a HRT clinic, home brewed, or from an under ground lab...The benzyl is what f..ckin hurts. If you have meds with prop in them that don't, then you better check your source. ITs like this.. PROP equals Discomfort, but with other pussies its pain. With me, the more I used it the less it hurt.. Your body will get used to the high BB count and eventually you can use pure prop with little or no pain. And the difference with your gains while on prop is outstanding. I always incorporate some into my base test blend......

[fLgAtOr]

I disagree.

Bezyl Benzoate is very easy to handle for most people. I've never heard of pain coming from BB.

I also disagree that the pain is cuased by the BA, but soem may think otherwise.

Prop is very easily "crashed" once its in the depot. More BB keeps it in solution longer, delaying the crystalization in the muscle. I think most guys in the lab will agree.

Can't argue with flash though, if your second batch didn't hurt, then I guess it didn't hurt...

[fLgAtOr]

Hands down...good answer. Flash. It is the BB. As the derivitive of the med is broken down to be suspended in oil, it is the Benzyl used to dissolve the raw material that is painful. Its never the med. Whether it is FDA approved from a HRT clinic, home brewed, or from an under ground lab...The benzyl is what f..ckin hurts. If you have meds with prop in them that don't, then you better check your source. ITs like this.. PROP equals Discomfort, but with other pussies its pain. With me, the more I used it the less it hurt.. Your body will get used to the high BB count and eventually you can use pure prop with little or no pain. And the difference with your gains while on prop is outstanding. I always incorporate some into my base test blend......

Thats not entirely true though. Plenty of hombrewers have painless prop at 2/20. (Not talking about the EO guys either)

[welloiledmachine]

I would like to here some more about those with experience with home brewing. Persoanlly I only have tren ace experience with home brewing. No one has really answered the question though..What does cause the prop pain, and how come then it can be home brewed without the pain symptoms?? I am very curious, and I may start experimenting with home brews myself. Please tell me more.

[MrMe]

This has been answered. Its the BA% they use i beleive. Search for prop pain

[Swifto]

Anyone reported Prop pain from Test Prop mixed with EO? I'm thinking of making my Test Prop with EO too?

[Giants11]

The short estered drugs are the reason for the injesction site pain. It has been speculated that short esters turn on pain nocioceptors, which for some can be alleviated by taking anti-histmines.

[stuball]

I would like to here some more about those with experience with home brewing. Persoanlly I only have tren ace experience with home brewing. No one has really answered the question though..What does cause the prop pain, and how come then it can be home brewed without the pain symptoms?? I am very curious, and I may start experimenting with home brews myself. Please tell me more.

I think we are getting personal oponions, i think we need more of a scientific look at it... If thats even possible..

[Giants11]

Look above, also BA is not the cause of the pain:

J Dermatol Surg Oncol. 1994; 20(11):730-3 (ISSN: 0148-0812)
Williams JM; Howe NR
Division of Dermatology, Hahnemann University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19102.

BACKGROUND. Benzyl alcohol is reported to be painless on injection and to provide limited dermal anesthesia. Benzyl alcohol has also been recommended as an adjuvant to lidocaine to reduce lidocaine's injection pain. There is insufficient data on pain of injection and duration of anesthesia for lidocaine containing benzyl alcohol. OBJECTIVE. We conducted a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blinded comparison of intradermal 1% lidocaine with 0.86% benzyl alcohol and plain 1% lidocaine for pain of injection and duration of anesthesia. METHODS. Twenty subjects received the above two agents plus normal saline with and without 0.9% benzyl alcohol, with all solutions adjusted to 375 +/- 13 mosm/L. RESULTS. Lidocaine containing benzyl alcohol was 27% less painful upon injection and provided anesthesia 29% longer than plain lidocaine. CONCLUSION. Benzyl alcohol is itself an effective anesthetic and can reduce the pain of injection for lidocaine without adversely affecting its anesthetic properties.

Subject

[stuball]

The short estered drugs are the reason for the injesction site pain. It has been speculated that short esters turn on pain nocioceptors, which for some can be alleviated by taking anti-histmines.

Ok so prop is what causes the pain ??

[stuball]

Ok so prop is what causes the pain ??

So if you do a shot of prop and there is no pain, then its no good ????

[Giants11]

Different people different reactions.

Some have no issues with short esters, yet the quility of their gear is fine.

[helium3]

no pain at all with prop.

[MrMe]

What i meant is that the BA is low in prop, i've heard if you add more it does help

[stuball]

Different people different reactions.

Some have no issues with short esters, yet the quility of their gear is fine.

Ok did sus pakistan, hurt pretty bad with only 30 mg's, in the same cycle i also ran F*r**k Ukraine 50 mgs per mil, did 2 mil shot and no pain at all ....Im fvckin lost !!!!

[skipp]

Ive hit prop with 5% ba (ouch) and prop with 2% ba (ehh, not bad at all), and prop with EO (feels like it was meant to be there)

In the end, you can't beat EO. A little pricey, but worth every penny.