My bulking and cutting cycles: what do you think?

[tomlays]

I have planned my first "REAL" bulking cycle since I stopped juicing three years ago. I did a little test only cycle 18 months ago but that's about it. My last big AAS cycle ended in May 2004. I have at least 6-7 cycles under my belt and at least 4 of these cycles were kind of heavy and I did reacted well. But since it's been a long time I played with heavy gear, I was wondering if I were starting back too strong. Let's remember I did a test only cycle 18 months ago and I am not wishing to stay at this weak point now. Take a look at what I have planned for my bulking cycle starting in January 2007 and my cutting cycle wich will occur probably in Juin 2007.

BULKING cycle:

- 850mg Test enanthate /week for 15 weeks
- 600mg Deca /week for 13 weeks
- 600mg EQ/week for 15 weeks
- 20mg M1T/day for 2 weeks on, 1 off , 2 weeks on, 1 off, 2 weeks on

- I will also run some Tribulus while on M1T during 8 weeks.

- I will take 1.25mg of Letrozole 4 days each week on my injection days and have some bromocriptine on hand just in case.

- My PCT will consist of 10 days of nolvadex at 25mg/day and 20 days of clomid at 50mg/day with the addition of 10 000 iu's of HCG splited in half doses with at least 5 days between the two shots. I will start the PCT two weeks after my last injection.

CUTTING cycle:

- 750mg Test enanthate /week for 13 weeks
- 600mg Fina /week for 9 weeks
- 500mg Masteron /week for 8 weeks
- 50mg Winstrol tabs /week for 4 weeks

- I will take 25mg of Aromasin EOD during the 13 weeks of test.

- My PCT will begin two weeks after my last injection with 20 days of nolvadex at 25mg/day followed by 10 days of clomid at 50mg/day.

I think that should do the job! Both my bulking cycles and cutting cycles are well planned and I have already much of the stuff on hands. Tell me your opinions about it. Good advices are always welcomed. I designed my cycles with the experience I had in the past and the knowledge I got on this board and on the steroid profiles.

Thank ya all in advance!

[tomlays]

Hello! Anybody? I guess I should be right if no one replies. I would appreciate some comeback though. Tell me if I'am right or wrong.

[Growingpains]

if you haven't used AAS in a while do you think you would respond well to lower dosages??? Seems pretty heavy for the bulking cycle. Also, please indicate which weeks you want to run the particular compounds. ie. 10-14 winstrol etc.

Stats?

[Growingpains]

I don't like the M1t going on and off.
I would say do it for the first month until the TEST E kicks in. use it as a kickstart only IMO

[shrpskn]

Looks like a roller coaster ride to me...Bulker starts in Jan '07 and cutter starts June '07?...where is the time for recovery between the two?

If I was going to run what you intend to run, I'd follow the bulker with the cutter and after the nice long heavy cycle, do a real aggressive PCT...I think you'd yield much better results that route, but that's just my opinion.

Good luck,

-ShrpSkn

[one8nine]

Looks like a roller coaster ride to me...Bulker starts in Jan '07 and cutter starts June '07?...where is the time for recovery between the two?

If I was going to run what you intend to run, I'd follow the bulker with the cutter and after the nice long heavy cycle, do a real aggressive PCT...I think you'd yield much better results that route, but that's just my opinion.

Good luck,

-ShrpSkn

2nd this

[BajanBastard]

You could drop the testosterone dose for the bulking cycle to 600mg weekly and for the M1T 2 weeks on 4 weeks off IMO would be the better bet. The cutting cycle looks good to me. As for PCT adding aromasin to the nolva will help with recovery.

[tomlays]

Here are my stats:

I am almost 25 years old, almost 6 feet tall and around 215 lbs with approximatly 15% body fat, almost 20 inches arms.

I do strict curl competitions too.

I will be running the test E from week 1 to 15, the EQ will start on week 1 to 15, the Deca week 1 to 13 and I don't know if I should drop the M1T according to what people say.

[Iron-man]

Here are my stats:

....... almost 20 inches arms.

20's Nice!!! I would kill to get to 20's. Currently mine are 18 3/4 to 18 7/8 and at 19 pumped. Tri's are good, bi's need work.
Good work man!!!!

[tomlays]

20's Nice!!! I would kill to get to 20's. Currently mine are 18 3/4 to 18 7/8 and at 19 pumped. Tri's are good, bi's need work.
Good work man!!!!

Thanks but I haven't reached the 20 yet. I stopped at 19 and 3/4!! I might just get that 20 with my next cycle though but I don’t think I owne anything for that achievement. This is all about genetics in my case. I had 19 inches arms before I start juicing. I had 18 inches arms when I was 18 years old and got 19 inches on the 19th birthday!

Now, I’m almost 25 and I am stuck at 19 and ¾. If my triceps would be better, I could easily get 21 inches arms. My biceps are awesome, they look like Arnold’s biceps (bodybuilder Francis Benfatto told me that statement in person). I also do strict curl competitons and won every competition I got into. I settled a new WPA overall record in any weight class in 2004. I’ll come back in spring 2007 to beat my own record!

[reppedout1]

i wouldn't drop the m1t,i'm on 20 mgs a day right now to kickstart my test enth 500 mg a week.m1t imo is some great stuff.added 50 pounds to my bench in 3 weeks.the only thing that sux is i'm gettin some bad back pumps and headaches,20 mgs is the highest i would go after that i think the sides might be too much good luck!

[tomlays]

Some are telling me to drop the M1T while others suggest me to keep it in to kickstart my cycle. The ones who think I should drop the M1T say the side effects are too strong for the results it gives. Personnaly, I experienced a whole cycle of M1T about 8 months ago and didn't have any side effects at all. Most M1T users I know got very great results from it. I personnaly gained 5 pounds while on M1T alone but some of my custumers (because I own a supplement store) gained as much as 20 pounds using this single product combined with nutrition and proper training. So, here's my question:

Is it worth taking M1T and safe enough to take it during my bulking cycle? I will take a lot of juice, let's say it! Will the addition of M1T make a difference? I am not considering the money investments here since I M1T isn't expensive at all for me. I just want to take the best decision. I don't want to take it if the product will bring negative side effects only and no good results.

I'll be waiting for your advices on it. Thanks again!

[body_by_donuts]

Me, I wouldn't touch M1T. I'd reather use t or d-bol to kick start.

[reppedout1]

i think you'll be ok thats just my opinion just be ready for your strength to go through the roof,like i said i would just run it at 20 mgs a day max,and if the sides get too bad back pumps headachew etc drop down to 15 and c if that works for ya i heard of a lot of guys doin that just my 2 cents

[NoFaith068]

Why run the EQ and Deca both while bulking? I'd cut the EQ.

[tomlays]

Why run the EQ and Deca both while bulking? I'd cut the EQ.

Because they don't work the same way. EQ will increase my strenght and help me gain some long term quality muscles while increasing my appetite. The Deca will also help me gain muscle and strenght in a different way (read about both compounds in the steroids profile section of this site) and Deca may even help with my joints and that's something to consider when you gain that much strenght and muscles.

[C_Bino]

I will just comment on the letro. Why are you only using it on injection days? And why at 1.25mg ed?

Doesnt make much sense to me.

[tomlays]

I will just comment on the letro. Why are you only using it on injection days? And why at 1.25mg ed?

Doesnt make much sense to me.

I'll try it this way and may have to change the concentration through my cycle if symptoms of gyno start to appear. Why 1,25mg ? This is the amount of letrozole in each capsule I will buy. The bottle of Letrozole is 100 capsules of 1.25mg each. I will do four shots a week so I'll take a total amount of 5mg of Letrozole/week. I usually get away without using any anti-e's. I will be the first time I try this compound. I'll adjust on my way. What do you all guys think?

[tomlays]

BUMP! I need some comments about the dosage of Letrozole.

[BajanBastard]

Letro can be taken up to E4D, the active life is quite long.

[C_Bino]

Letro can be taken up to E4D, the active life is quite long.

I have done it eod and experienced symptoms of gyno.

[C_Bino]

Well there is no real right or wrong way to run it 100%. I wouldnt use as much as 5mg a week though. I typically do .5mg ed. You can split ur pill in half and then take half pill ed or even eod i guess. Really it comes down to just monitoring yourself, like Bajan said the active life is fairly long, but when it comes down to it whats on paper doesnt always apply to each individual, like I said when i started running it eod i got gyno symptoms, switched back to ed and they went away. Thats enough proof for me to use it ed.

[tomlays]

Thanks C Bino! I will start using 5mg a week splitted in four doses of 1.25mg because I really don't want any gyno but I also want all the other positive aspects Letrozole can bring. I can't split my pills in half because they are capsules. So, I'll have to take a bigger dose at one time and take a day off before popping another caps. I'll try it this way and will reajust if something goes wrong. As for the aromasin, I will try 25mg EOD during my cutting cycle, but I never tried it. It will be the first time I'll use Aromasin and Letrozole.