Critic my first cycle!!!!

[anabolic1]

Hey guys, im 23 years old, i have been lifting hard since i was 18, i weigh 175lbs and im 6'', extremely cut (3 point fold test says i have 1% body fat, although i know i have more like 5-7% using common sense)

Anyways i have always been into using vitamins and herbs and creatine from time to time, for the past 2 years i have not been able to put on hard weight/size.

I want to do 1 cycle that is all, i want to make it good yet not hurt my health down the road. I dont need a cutting cycle because i can already very cut and dont need help doing that, i want a good 20lbs and then i can cut later if i gain much fat.

Here is my sample cycle, please critic it and give me pointers or substitues. Remember i want a safe cycle but good gains.




Cycle - Weeks Sustanon 250 Deca-Durabolin Dianabol Nolvadex
1 500mg/week 300 mg/week 25 mg/day If needed: 20 mg/day
2 500mg/week 300 mg/week 25 mg/day If needed: 20 mg/day
3 500mg/week 300 mg/week 25 mg/day If needed: 20 mg/day
4 500mg/week 300 mg/week 25 mg/day If needed: 20 mg/day
5 500mg/week 300 mg/week 25 mg/day If needed: 20 mg/day
6 500mg/week 300 mg/week If needed: 20 mg/day
7 500mg/week 300 mg/week If needed: 20 mg/day
8 500mg/week 300 mg/week If needed: 20 mg/day
9 500mg/week 300 mg/week If needed: 20 mg/day
10 500mg/week 300 mg/week If needed: 20 mg/day

PCT – Weeks Vitamin E HCG Aromasin 20mgs/day
1 1,000iu/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 20mgs/day
2 1,000iu/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 20mgs/day
3 1,000iu/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 20mgs/day
4 20mgs/day 20mgs/day
5 20mgs/day
6



THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!

[Hunter]

with sust you should do eod inject? I would recomend puting on some mass chances are something is off with your diet and why you cant put weight on. I would say post your diet up for crtique in the diet forum before starting a cycle. Also I would say 2 aas max for the first cycle but would prefere to go with one. pct is on lock. I would say test e for 10-12 weeks no need for deca and d-bol in a first cycle but you can add d-bol if you really want to.

[KNOWNasJOE]

Seems like a lot for your first. You're kinda a light weight :P I think the test and if you wanted to add d-bol would work as well. You could definately put on a lot of mass doing that. Awesome that youre low BF too, thatll helP!

[anabolic1]

oh really? a friend of mine said stacking is a good idea no matter if its your first cycle or not. Plus i plan on only doing one so i figured i should make it count, although i dont want to be unsafe...

when you said: "with sust you should do eod inject?" - was that a question to me? i dont know i heard it was once a week injection...

[anabolic1]

“I’m a firm believer in starting anti-estrogens 2 weeks prior to the start of the cycle. This will allow more then enough time to get blood levels peaked. Also, I would also suggest running a SERM (Nolvadex) and AI (arimidex, proviron, femera) together through the cycle.” –is this true?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=120894

[GHO5T]

Hey guys, im 23 years old, i have been lifting hard since i was 18, i weigh 175lbs and im 6'', extremely cut (3 point fold test says i have 1% body fat, although i know i have more like 5-7% using common sense)

Anyways i have always been into using vitamins and herbs and creatine from time to time, for the past 2 years i have not been able to put on hard weight/size.

I want to do 1 cycle that is all, i want to make it good yet not hurt my health down the road. I dont need a cutting cycle because i can already very cut and dont need help doing that, i want a good 20lbs and then i can cut later if i gain much fat.

Here is my sample cycle, please critic it and give me pointers or substitues. Remember i want a safe cycle but good gains.




Cycle - Weeks Sustanon 250 Deca-Durabolin Dianabol Nolvadex
1 500mg/week 300 mg/week 25 mg/day If needed: 20 mg/day
2 500mg/week 300 mg/week 25 mg/day If needed: 20 mg/day
3 500mg/week 300 mg/week 25 mg/day If needed: 20 mg/day
4 500mg/week 300 mg/week 25 mg/day If needed: 20 mg/day
5 500mg/week 300 mg/week 25 mg/day If needed: 20 mg/day
6 500mg/week 300 mg/week If needed: 20 mg/day
7 500mg/week 300 mg/week If needed: 20 mg/day
8 500mg/week 300 mg/week If needed: 20 mg/day
9 500mg/week 300 mg/week If needed: 20 mg/day
10 500mg/week 300 mg/week If needed: 20 mg/day

PCT – Weeks Vitamin E HCG Aromasin 20mgs/day
1 1,000iu/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 20mgs/day
2 1,000iu/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 20mgs/day
3 1,000iu/day 500iu/day 20mgs/day 20mgs/day
4 20mgs/day 20mgs/day
5 20mgs/day
6



THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!

way too much for your first cycle bro, keep it simple for your first

1-12 test e 500mg/wk
1-4 dbol 40mg/wk

followed by proper pct that cycle should provide you with very good gains if your diet and training are in check

[vermin]

First, the reason you have not put on size is your diet. If you can't put together a diet and a routine that will cause gains without AAS, you will be disappointed with AAS. AAS is not a magic solution.

You have much too low BF, unless you are getting ready to step into the ring or onto the stage. When guys get too attached to looking pretty in the mirror they have a hard time gaining. If you want to get big you'll have to give that shit up.

Give a 12 week old fashioned 5000 calorie diet with a 20 rep squat routine a go and see what happens. You should put on about 30 pounds, 20 or so of it muscle. If you can't gain on that, see a doctor. And if you can't deal with gaining 10 pounds of fat, buy a dress.

[anabolic1]

Letrozole or Anastrazole better than nolvadex ? - http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...d-nolvadex.htm this article says it is...

[anabolic1]

Give a 12 week old fashioned 5000 calorie diet with a 20 rep squat routine a go and see what happens. You should put on about 30 pounds, 20 or so of it muscle. If you can't gain on that, see a doctor. And if you can't deal with gaining 10 pounds of fat, buy a dress.

the reason i have low bf is my matabolisim is really high and i do mixed martial arts training which includes alllot of cardio ( which is good for juice i hear )...

And when i do go on 5k cal diets i gain while im on it but usualy lose it the second i come off it, i feel like im only gaining fat... + i dont gain much strength.

[anabolic1]

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[Xtralarg]

Keep it simple, its not rocket science!

500mg test e for 10 weeks. Anti-e' as required and then PCT. .

[Logan13]

Keep it simple, its not rocket science!

500mg test e for 10 weeks. Anti-e' as required and then PCT. .

Agreed, and add a high protein diet to that. No need to use 3 compounds until you find out how you grow on test alone. IMO, deca is not for beginners. Progestins can be very tricky......

[Hunter]

the reason i have low bf is my matabolisim is really high and i do mixed martial arts training which includes alllot of cardio ( which is good for juice i hear )...

And when i do go on 5k cal diets i gain while im on it but usualy lose it the second i come off it, i feel like im only gaining fat... + i dont gain much strength.

I am in mma to so I know its hard thats why you up your intake. Unless your diet is layed out I highly doubt your taking in 5k. I gain on 3400k and I will be making a pro debut sometime after january. Post your diet up.

[Logan13]

I am in mma to so I know its hard thats why you up your intake. Unless your diet is layed out I highly doubt your taking in 5k. I gain on 3400k and I will be making a pro debut sometime after january. Post your diet up.

Where are you making this debut at, local or national?

[Hunter]

Where are you making this debut at, local or national?

I will either make my pro debut in iowa or minnesota. Also should be fighting in texas this summer. Nothing incredible yet just have to see where it leads

[Logan13]

I will either make my pro debut in iowa or minnesota. Also should be fighting in texas this summer. Nothing incredible yet just have to see where it leads

If in Iowa, would it be either in the Quad Cities or Cedar Rapids by chance?

[vermin]

the reason i have low bf is my matabolisim is really high and i do mixed martial arts training which includes alllot of cardio ( which is good for juice i hear )...

And when i do go on 5k cal diets i gain while im on it but usualy lose it the second i come off it, i feel like im only gaining fat... + i dont gain much strength.

You need to look at endurance athlete considerations then. Sorry for assuming that you were in love with the mirror, but you'd be surprised at how often that complaint come up when it comes to gaining.

All your cardio & training will tend to limit how much LBM you can hold - this is why BBs tend to, depending on what they are doing at the time, go from 20 minutes 3Xweek to at the most and hour ED of cardio.

If I were you I would measure my gains based on higher number of 185 pound press reps (as an example) as opposed to max push. AAS can help you with this, though even for an experienced MMA AAS cycler your substance choices were not the best.

Start with straight test and an anti-e - agreed. Make absolutely sure your PCT is strong. When you look at adding compounds in later cycles I would look to the drying compounds like EQ, Masteron, and Primbolan. These will assist with LBM/strength while going easy on the mass. Prop/Masteron could be ideal - short detection time.

You are also a candidate with HGH, esp. short-run high dose protocols if you can afford it.

[anabolic1]

jhjjuy

[vermin]

I would have PMed this, but I can't to you:

Buddy, you just posted an image with a readable link that IDs you personally. Do yourself a favor and edit it quick.

As to the rest: IMHO, 250IU HCG 2X a week is a waste. HCG kicks things up, but is itself suppressive, so I'd suggest it maybe the last 2 weeks of test injections and maybe the week after, 250IU or 500IU ED. 250 is probably fine, but have enough ready so you can do 500 if your nuts aren't responding to 250. If you are stuck on the 250IU 2X a week, do it from week 1 on test injections and do them the day before and the day of your test injection.

I would do a-dex before Nolva - remember with Nolva the test is already e, a-dex (or aromasin) keeps test from aromatizing. Keep nolva on hand until you know how you react and if you get gyno symptoms, but assume you'll need an aromatase inhibitor and start taking it from week 1.

Nothing you have will kick your natty back on like Clomid - I'd say you'd want it in your PCT. Also, you might consider buying a bottle or two of Anthony's new Myogen-X which supposedly should kick your natty production in/up. Start taking it about the last week you shoot test to give it a week or two to kick in while the test is dropping off.

The best thing you can do for yourself is to get a line on some testing and get pre - during - post bloodwork. This will tell you definitively if you are controlling estrogen and, for example, have truly restored your pre AAS natty production or if you have to kick things up.

[vermin]

Oh, I see - and to help confuse things even more you've started this thread twice. This is not helpful to anyone.

[Carlos_E]

Buddy, you just posted an image with a readable link that IDs you personally. Do yourself a favor and edit it quick.

I edited the link.

[SPIKE]

I edited the link.

LOL, I was looking for it.

Thanks Carlos..

[briancb1]

dont need the trib, its been proven it does nothing to help boost test and has actually been proven to raise estrogen levels on multiple accounts. I cant find the link at the moment because trib comes up so much in the search, but I remember what i read.