Nutrex Vitargo CGL or Cell Mass?

[shawn9811]

Has anyone taking Nutrex Vitargo CGL, i seem to hear generally good things about it, Does anyone have a preference between these two?

[Venum]

I am waiting for my vitargo to come in the mail..I heard good things about it as well..cant wait to try

[CSAR]

Has anyone taking Nutrex Vitargo CGL, i seem to hear generally good things about it, Does anyone have a preference between these two?

Dude, anytime someone starts a Vitargo CGL thread, I'm all over it like white on rice. I LOVE VCGL!! I have used so many different creatine products and nothing is as good as VCGL. No bloat, no stomach discomfort, the taste is pretty good, and it friggin' works.

Now, the only downside to VCGL is mixing it. They call it waxy maize for a reason!! Do NOT use cold water. Use room temperature or lukewarm water, shake it real good for a minute (like you was rubbing one out to a Jaime Eason pic), and it will mix like a charm.

I also like Cell Mass, but it doesn't work as well as VCGL, IMO. I'm mixing some BCAA's into my VCGL and I've noticed a hardness to my physique that's developing nicely.

[Venum]

what are some bcaa's to mix in?

[SVTMuscle*]

Dude, anytime someone starts a Vitargo CGL thread, I'm all over it like white on rice. I LOVE VCGL!! I have used so many different creatine products and nothing is as good as VCGL. No bloat, no stomach discomfort, the taste is pretty good, and it friggin' works.

Now, the only downside to VCGL is mixing it. They call it waxy maize for a reason!! Do NOT use cold water. Use room temperature or lukewarm water, shake it real good for a minute (like you was rubbing one out to a Jaime Eason pic), and it will mix like a charm.

I also like Cell Mass, but it doesn't work as well as VCGL, IMO. I'm mixing some BCAA's into my VCGL and I've noticed a hardness to my physique that's developing nicely.

been there quite a few times

[Schmidty]

been there quite a few times

who hasent

[Schmidty]

I was gona get cell mass but this thread convin ed me not to

[CSAR]

what are some bcaa's to mix in?

I bought a 1kg bag of Bulk Sports powdered BCAA's. I throw in a scoop with the Vitargo CGL post WO and it seems to be working out pretty good. I cannot say enough good things about VCGL. Again, the only downside is the mixing, but once I switched over to warm water I haven't had a problem. And the Jaime Eason shaking thing helps out too!!

[Venum]

i just got my bottle yesterday i cant wait to see how it works. I'm not going to load though I have been taking cellmass the past 2 months...just one shake PWO....do you take it on off days CSAR? I am cutting so my guess would be to take it first thing in the morning...right?

[CSAR]

Yes, take one serving post work out. On your off days, you can take the one serving in the morning. I took 1/2 a serving in the morning and the other 1/2 in the evening on my off days, but now I'm just taking the one serving in the a.m. I haven't noticed a difference between the two half or whole servings experiment, but VCGL is working so good that it doesn't really matter.

[ehall1000]

cell mass is still the best

[CSAR]

cell mass is still the best

Questions:
1) Why is waxy maize starch more efficient at transporting creatine than either dextrose or maltodextrin?
2) What is the difference between a waxy maize starch insulin spike and a dextrose/maltodextrin insulin spike?

[donniebrasco]

im gonna try this Nutrex Vitargo CGL, as i am a fan of cellmass. but if this you think has additional benefits. im game

[CSAR]

I think Cellmass is a good creatine supp. I used it myself. But the VCGL is better.

[savax]

I'd have to disagree - I LOVE cellmass and right now prefer the CEE vs. the CM.

[Venum]

i am loving my vitargo cgl right now even on a low cal diet. good strength gains and its only been a week

[Schmidty]

I dont know what to get

[ash146]

from what i see VCGL is great carb supplement. Something to use to mix with your whey for a PWO. CellMass is simply CEE+glutamine which makes 9g of carbs per serving. the VCGL is 60g per serving. I may try this after the shotgun stuff.

[CSAR]

from what i see VCGL is great carb supplement. Something to use to mix with your whey for a PWO. CellMass is simply CEE+glutamine which makes 9g of carbs per serving. the VCGL is 60g per serving. I may try this after the shotgun stuff.

Plain Vitargo is a carb supplement used by a lot of bb'ers and some AR members, especially during contest prep. Vitargo CGL is Vitargo plus creatine monohydrate. VCGL is extremely efficient at putting creatine into the muscles because of the nature of the waxy maize insulin spike. I have used CEE (creatine ethyl ester) products and they work better than dextrose/maltodextrin plus creatine monohydrate products (Celltech, Phosphagen HP, etc.), but nothing works as good as VCGL.

I take the VCGL as a post WO supp and throw in a scoop of BCAA powder (5 g). I never tried VCGL as a pre WO supp. I suppose it could work, but with true pre WO products like NO Shotgun and NO Xplode, I never bothered. Give it a try and see how it works!

[mavsluva]

Hey CSAR,

Are you taking the VCGL along with your whey protein isolate PWO? I'm assuming that you're mixing them separately, correct? I see a fruit punch flavor and an orange flavor VCGL and I'm not so sure that chocolate whey mixed with this stuff would work going down!

Thanks

[Venum]

so i can take no-shotgun pre work out and vitargo cgl pwo? is that too much creatine?

[CSAR]

Hey CSAR,

Are you taking the VCGL along with your whey protein isolate PWO? I'm assuming that you're mixing them separately, correct? I see a fruit punch flavor and an orange flavor VCGL and I'm not so sure that chocolate whey mixed with this stuff would work going down!

Thanks

No, I'm not. The VCGL w/ BCAA's comes right after working out. The whey protein comes 30 minutes after that.

[CSAR]

so i can take no-shotgun pre work out and vitargo cgl pwo? is that too much creatine?

For some people, if you take the whole serving of VCGL it could be. I haven't had any problems, but once I started taking the NO Shotgun, I cut my VCGL serving in half (one scoop). I haven't noticed any difference...yet. But it's only been a week.

[kaylana]

Can i mix my vitargo with 10 grs of creatin? As VCGL is vitargo + creatin ?

[CSAR]

Can i mix my vitargo with 10 grs of creatin? As VCGL is vitargo + creatin ?

You can, but just buy the VCGL. It's already got creatine and the nice fruit punch or pleasant orange flavors as well...

[Venum]

CSAR, do you notice much better pumps while taking no-shotgun with the vcgl
? I am getting great pumps from the vcgl alone

[kaylana]

Thank you csar

[CSAR]

CSAR, do you notice much better pumps while taking no-shotgun with the vcgl
? I am getting great pumps from the vcgl alone

Yes, the pumps are even better. I also got really good pumps with the VCGL, but once I stacked it with NO Shotgun, the pumps were super intense. A few other AR members have commented that the pumps with NO Shotgun are so big that they're almost painful - that's 100% accurate.

[Venum]

i cant wait to try

[Chad B]

I don't see any good reason to spike your insulin levels with 60 grams of super fast carbs. It will store as fat. Overall it is very unhealthy; we eat clean all day then drink that crap. The rush of the insulin spike is what makes you think it is working and the advertising has you brainwashed.


Resent real life studies which can be found doing a search have proved that spiking insulin after workout has no affect on muscle growth. This is why many bb are doing whey/oats now instead of high gi garbage carbs.

Bottom line.
Drinking in a coke, 60 grams of pure sugar (dex), Malto, waxy maize starch, or anything like it is unhealthy and the negative effects outweigh the positive by a long shot. So why kill yourself, to get a little more creatine in you? That is ridicules.

[CSAR]

Resent real life studies which can be found doing a search have proved that spiking insulin after workout has no affect on muscle growth. This is why many bb are doing whey/oats now instead of high gi garbage carbs.

Bottom line.
Drinking in a coke, 60 grams of pure sugar (dex), Malto, waxy maize starch, or anything like it is unhealthy and the negative effects outweigh the positive by a long shot. So why kill yourself, to get a little more creatine in you? That is ridicules.

Not as ridicules (ridiculous) as your awful spelling. You don't know jack shit about waxy maize starch. It's a starch, not a simple sugar. A lot of bb'ers use it, including several AR members who are competitive bb'ers (Nark, chuck, et al). What do you think happens to your insulin levels after you eat something?

Resent? What do you resent? Did you mean recent? Well then, recent real life studies have also demonstrated the effectiveness and safety of Vitargo (which is a high molecular weight carb). Do your research using something other than Google next time junior and don't spout off about a topic that you don't really understand. It just makes you look ignorant.

1. Volek, JS, Duncan, ND, et al. (1999) Med Sci Sports Exerc. 312: 1147-1156.
2. Pearson, DR, Hamby, DG, et al. (1999) J Strength Condit Res. 13: 187-192.
3. Steenge, GR, Greenhaff, PL, et al. (1998) Am J Physiol. 275: E974-E979.
4. Leiper, JB, Soderlund, K, et al. Improved gastric emptying rate in humans of a unique glucose polymer (Vitargo). Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden.
5. Greenhaff, PL, Simpson, EJ, & Steenge, GR. (2000) Am J Phyiol. 89: 1165-1171.
6. Piehl Aulin, K, Soderlund, K. & Steenge, GR. (2000) Eur J Appl Physiol. 81: 346-351.
7. Persky, AM & Brezeau, GA. (2001) Pharmacol Reviews. 53:161-176.

[Chad B]

Not as ridicules (ridiculous) as your awful spelling. You don't know jack shit about waxy maize starch. It's a starch, not a simple sugar. A lot of bb'ers use it, including several AR members who are competitive bb'ers (Nark, chuck, et al). What do you think happens to your insulin levels after you eat something?

Resent? What do you resent? Did you mean recent? Well then, recent real life studies have also demonstrated the effectiveness and safety of Vitargo (which is a high molecular weight carb). Do your research using something other than Google next time junior and don't spout off about a topic that you don't really understand. It just makes you look ignorant.

1. Volek, JS, Duncan, ND, et al. (1999) Med Sci Sports Exerc. 312: 1147-1156.
2. Pearson, DR, Hamby, DG, et al. (1999) J Strength Condit Res. 13: 187-192.
3. Steenge, GR, Greenhaff, PL, et al. (1998) Am J Physiol. 275: E974-E979.
4. Leiper, JB, Soderlund, K, et al. Improved gastric emptying rate in humans of a unique glucose polymer (Vitargo). Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden.
5. Greenhaff, PL, Simpson, EJ, & Steenge, GR. (2000) Am J Phyiol. 89: 1165-1171.
6. Piehl Aulin, K, Soderlund, K. & Steenge, GR. (2000) Eur J Appl Physiol. 81: 346-351.
7. Persky, AM & Brezeau, GA. (2001) Pharmacol Reviews. 53:161-176.

Only a true jerk would get on somebody’s case for misspelled a word. Not everybody was as fortunate as you in getting an education, don’t act like a spoiled stuck up brat. It is the condition of the heart which is a man not his vocabulary.

[Chad B]

Not as ridicules (ridiculous) as your awful spelling. You don't know jack shit about waxy maize starch. It's a starch, not a simple sugar. A lot of bb'ers use it, including several AR members who are competitive bb'ers (Nark, chuck, et al). What do you think happens to your insulin levels after you eat something?

Resent? What do you resent? Did you mean recent? Well then, recent real life studies have also demonstrated the effectiveness and safety of Vitargo (which is a high molecular weight carb). Do your research using something other than Google next time junior and don't spout off about a topic that you don't really understand. It just makes you look ignorant.

1. Volek, JS, Duncan, ND, et al. (1999) Med Sci Sports Exerc. 312: 1147-1156.
2. Pearson, DR, Hamby, DG, et al. (1999) J Strength Condit Res. 13: 187-192.
3. Steenge, GR, Greenhaff, PL, et al. (1998) Am J Physiol. 275: E974-E979.
4. Leiper, JB, Soderlund, K, et al. Improved gastric emptying rate in humans of a unique glucose polymer (Vitargo). Karolinska Institute, Stockholm, Sweden.
5. Greenhaff, PL, Simpson, EJ, & Steenge, GR. (2000) Am J Phyiol. 89: 1165-1171.
6. Piehl Aulin, K, Soderlund, K. & Steenge, GR. (2000) Eur J Appl Physiol. 81: 346-351.
7. Persky, AM & Brezeau, GA. (2001) Pharmacol Reviews. 53:161-176.

Huge insulin spikes are terrible for your health. PERIOD
But go ahead and kill yourself you’re a jerk anyway..

[BlueCollar24]

But like he said, it is a starch. And he's not a jerk, just trying to point out false info so people don't get the wrong idea.

[CSAR]

Huge insulin spikes are terrible for your health. PERIOD
But go ahead and kill yourself you’re a jerk anyway..

If I were to use your logic then we shouldn't eat anything 'cause insulin spikes are all bad... Oh no , you called me a jerk - time to jump in front of a train.

Dude, you're a noob. Not in the sense that you're new, but that you make inaccurate noob posts. AND, you had to quote me twice 'cause you were too ignorant to include all your information on a single post.

BTW, I earned my education. Ever hear of the GI Bill/College Fund or VA Vocational Rehabilitation? Yeah, I'm a jerk - a jerk who's a disabled US vet and served in a war. Who's laughing now noob?

FYI:
Starch is usually produced from corn, wheat, barley or potatoes. Starch is a giant molecule that is built up of long chains of which glucose is the smallest part. This means that if starch is completely broken down, one is left with a glucose solution (called dextrose in powder form).

Maltodextrin and starch syrup are starch products which, relatively speaking, are well broken-down. The level of breakdown is described by the average molecular weight. To understand what this means we have taken the most common carbohydrate sources and listed their average molecular weight to serve as a guide:

Starch
> 250 000 000
Vitargo
500 000 - 700 000
Maltodextrin
1 000 - 1 0000
Starch syrup
250 - 1 000
Dextrose
180

[Chad B]

If I were to use your logic then we shouldn't eat anything 'cause insulin spikes are all bad... Oh no , you called me a jerk - time to jump in front of a train.

Dude, you're a noob. Not in the sense that you're new, but that you make inaccurate noob posts. AND, you had to quote me twice 'cause you were too ignorant to include all your information on a single post.

BTW, I earned my education. Ever hear of the GI Bill/College Fund or VA Vocational Rehabilitation? Yeah, I'm a jerk - a jerk who's a disabled US vet and served in a war. Who's laughing now noob?

FYI:
Starch is usually produced from corn, wheat, barley or potatoes. Starch is a giant molecule that is built up of long chains of which glucose is the smallest part. This means that if starch is completely broken down, one is left with a glucose solution (called dextrose in powder form).

Maltodextrin and starch syrup are starch products which, relatively speaking, are well broken-down. The level of breakdown is described by the average molecular weight. To understand what this means we have taken the most common carbohydrate sources and listed their average molecular weight to serve as a guide:

Starch
> 250 000 000
Vitargo
500 000 - 700 000
Maltodextrin
1 000 - 1 0000
Starch syrup
250 - 1 000
Dextrose
180

You are so full of selfish pride that you hear only what you want to hear. You make fun of people because they misspelled a word, grow up. I did not say anything to you personally at first and you got all offended and all hot headed, this shows what kind of person you are. I hope you change for the better in time.

I said HUGE insulin spikes are bad, NOT any insulin spike like you claim I said.

Yes people digesting 60 grams of pure starch which gives you a HUGE insulin spike is unnatural and very unhealthy and you will store a lot of it as fat, you would be better off taking in a quality carb like oats or even a banana.

[Chad B]

If BTW, I earned my education. Ever hear of the GI Bill/College Fund or VA Vocational Rehabilitation? Yeah, I'm a jerk - a jerk who's a disabled US vet and served in a war. Who's laughing now noob?

I was never laughing at you.

Thank you for your service to our country, I greatly appreciate and respect you for that.

[CSAR]

I was never laughing at you.

Thank you for your service to our country, I greatly appreciate and respect you for that.

You tell me to kill myself and call me a jerk - who overreacted? How do you expect people to understand what you're talking about when you use the wrong words (i.e., resent instead of recent). In a written post, we have little to no paralinguistic cues to work with.

You can take your insincere thanks and stick it where the sun don't shine. Don't come into the supps forum posting misinformation. An opinion is one thing, but the nonsense you're posting is a waste of space.

Chad B = Chicken Little, "The insulin is rising! The insulin is rising!"

[*Narkissos*]

You tell me to kill myself and call me a jerk - who overreacted? How do you expect people to understand what you're talking about when you use the wrong words (i.e., resent instead of recent). In a written post, we have little to no paralinguistic cues to work with.

You can take your insincere thanks and stick it where the sun don't shine. Don't come into the supps forum posting misinformation. An opinion is one thing, but the nonsense you're posting is a waste of space.

Chad B = Chicken Little, "The insulin is rising! The insulin is rising!"

LMAO.

By the way CSAR.. i've never used Vitargo.

[CSAR]

Sorry Nark, I was thinking of another competitive bb'er who used plain Vitargo to carb load just before his competition (around the same time as your last comp). Anyhow, you're so swole in your avatar that my mind jumped the tracks a little bit there...

BTW, gotta give Near Dark a new nickname. Sometimes he gets referred to as Nark and it gets confusing...