Cycle Feedback

[kynetguy]

hey, looking to do a first cycle. With some input of other knowledgable people in the community, this is what is planned.

First cycle
35y/o
5'10"
215"
17%BF
Diet pretty good, I avoid fats and dropped all the sweets I enjoyed. :-)
No bald men on Moms side and not receeding or MPB developing in me.
Blood work 1 month ago was in check

I am looking to start in Jan/Feb. Going to shed about 10 more lbs to get BF under 15%.

Would like to put on 15-20lbs of lean mass. I would like to avoid water retention/bloating as much as possible.


1-4 Test Prop 50 mg ED
1-12 Test-E 500 mg Ewk
1-12 Winny 50 mg ED
1-12 Arimidex .25mgED
1-14 HCG 500ui Every 5 days
15 40mg Nolva/50mg Clomid/20 mg Aromasin ED
16 40mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid/20 mg Aromasin ED
17 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid/20 mg Aromasin ED
18 20mg Nolva/ 50 md Clomid/20 mg Aromasin ED

[kynetguy]

anyone?

[GHO5T]

hey, looking to do a first cycle. With some input of other knowledgable people in the community, this is what is planned.

First cycle
35y/o
5'10"
215"
17%BF
Diet pretty good, I avoid fats and dropped all the sweets I enjoyed. :-)
No bald men on Moms side and not receeding or MPB developing in me.
Blood work 1 month ago was in check

I am looking to start in Jan/Feb. Going to shed about 10 more lbs to get BF under 15%.

Would like to put on 15-20lbs of lean mass. I would like to avoid water retention/bloating as much as possible.


1-4 Test Prop 50 mg ED
1-12 Test-E 500 mg Ewk
1-12 Winny 50 mg ED
1-12 Arimidex .25mgED
1-14 HCG 500ui Every 5 days
15 40mg Nolva/50mg Clomid/20 mg Aromasin ED
16 40mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid/20 mg Aromasin ED
17 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid/20 mg Aromasin ED
18 20mg Nolva/ 50 md Clomid/20 mg Aromasin ED

i wouldnt run winni throughout the whole cycle, i would run it in the backhalf of the cycle (harden up and solidify gains) and also IMO hcg isnt necessary (but thats up to you) and pct should start week 14 (14 days or 2 weeks from last test e shot) everything else looks fine bro (like the addition of prop as a kickstart)

with a spot on diet and training regime im sure you will get the results you are looking for.

best of luck to you

[kynetguy]

i wouldnt run winni throughout the whole cycle, i would run it in the backhalf of the cycle (harden up and solidify gains) and also IMO hcg isnt necessary (but thats up to you) and pct should start week 14 (14 days or 2 weeks from last test e shot) everything else looks fine bro (like the addition of prop as a kickstart)

with a spot on diet and training regime im sure you will get the results you are looking for.

best of luck to you

If I dropped the Winny on the front end and ran it say weeks 9-12 or 7-12 would you run anything on the front end or just the test?

Maybe dbol first 4, winny last 4 with a 4 wk break inbetween?

The HCG is basically cheap testicular insurance.

[lawsey000]

If I dropped the Winny on the front end and ran it say weeks 9-12 or 7-12 would you run anything on the front end or just the test?
The HCG is basically cheap testicular insurance.

The "front end" of the cycle looks good. The prop will kickstart your cycle just fine. Good luck! Keep us posted.

[axemurderer187]

i'd start the winny at around week 6....

[kynetguy]

The "front end" of the cycle looks good. The prop will kickstart your cycle just fine. Good luck! Keep us posted.

Thanks for the input, and more is welcome.

I am looking for what is best described as a lean bulk. Cutting isnt exactly correct.

There are so many compounds which fit the bill. :-) I just want to try them all. . . .Eq, Tren A, Anavar. . .

Speaking of Anavar. . .

Would you use Anavar in place of the Winny? Popular opinion seems to be that Anavar has better results than Winny, but is more expensive. Which is why I origianlly picked Winny. . .especially for 12weeks of ED.

[kynetguy]

bump. . .would like more feedback. . .

[The_Canibal]

i wouldn't start a cycle till 14% bodyfat ....at least...check your diet
now about the cycle...this being your first time I would use only test E and an AI....see how your body reacts and then experiment with other compounds

[Manpretty]

you might wanna add clen in your pct due to higher bf as well as anticatabolic effects.......anavar is suspose to harden you up along with big strength so ive read (never taken it myself)....winny is very similar with the difference being less strength and more weight gain (by no means alot just more than anavar) ive taken winny and liked it alot plus its soooo much cheaper

[kynetguy]

i wouldn't start a cycle till 14% bodyfat ....at least...check your diet
now about the cycle...this being your first time I would use only test E and an AI....see how your body reacts and then experiment with other compounds

I agree with the BF. I am doing a cycle of clen now. Currently on day 9 at 160mcg/day. Pretty good results. Diet is in check. I have avoided sweets ( I LOVE ice cream LOL), lowered my fat intake and eating better all the way around.

[kynetguy]

you might wanna add clen in your pct due to higher bf as well as anticatabolic effects.......anavar is suspose to harden you up along with big strength so ive read (never taken it myself)....winny is very similar with the difference being less strength and more weight gain (by no means alot just more than anavar) ive taken winny and liked it alot plus its soooo much cheaper

Cheaper. . .NO CRAP. The var is going to cost roughly almost 3x as much. I can run 12 weeks of winny for less than 6 weeks of Var. But I am not letting money be the deciding factor. If I am going to throw down $400, I might as well throw $500 if the results are going to be what I want. The ancillaries are the killer. Test is SO cheap.