real quick post, please help just a few answers will satisfy me

[boDAWG]

im 22
im starting a cycle
im taking in about 3500 cal
about 350-450g of protein
been working out since 18
6'1''
215.7 lbs
17% body fat

here is a cycle i wanna do to gain some quality lean size and also tone up a lil bit:

weeks 1-12 test 500mg injecting monday and thursday
week 1-6 dbol at 40mg a day
week 6-12 anavar at 50mg a day
post cycle with clomid
have nolvadex on hand

im trying to put on about 20lbs that i can keep
I WANNA BULK ON THIS CYCLE BUT I WANNA DROP FAT IN A LONG RUN LIKE ON OTHER CYCLES IN THE FUTURE

let me know if im stupid, smart or whatever i am

[boDAWG]

bump myself

[boDAWG]

ohh i forgot i also wanna drop body fat down by a few % if possible

[Kale]

What does this mean in your profile ?

Cycle Experience:
a few cycles with most basic over the counter drugs

[gixxerboy1]

I would loose the dbol. Maybe sub in something else. Also i know you have nolva on hand but i would take some kind of anti-e if you are trying to look leaner.

[boDAWG]

kale it means:
like e MAX and oral turinadrol nothing hard

gixxerboy1:
what would you sub the dbol with?
what would be a good ant e with this kind of cycle?

[Getbig06]

AI would be better, leave the Nolva and Clomid for pct. Check out some ldex from ar-r or maybe even letro if you feel your really prone to gyno.

[GHO5T]

You want to drop bf%, gain lean mass, yet add another 20lbs to your frame.

A little hard to do all in one cycle. IMO you need to choose whether you want a strict bulk or strict cut.

[numbat]

not impossible ..but might have to agreee with gho5t

[boDAWG]

thats my long term goal first cycle i just wanna bulk and then later on i will go on a cutting cycle

[THE PUMP]

you could drop fat and gain but 20lbs is unrealistic maybe 10lbs while lowering bf, why not diet for a few months then bulk for the 15-20lbs.

[boDAWG]

i have been dieting for a long time and nothing and i check with other memebers here in one of my other threads and my diet is good i just cant gain so im getting on a bulking cycle but i really wanna drop body fat as well so i wanna know if my cycle would be good enough?

[Drummerboy]

pick your cycle : bulk or cut. After you make that choice, your ready to design a cycle.

I would say bulk, 250mg test enth/cyp every 3 days, 200mg's deca same time. maybe i bit of oral if you want it to hit fast. Anadrol or Dianabol, take yer pick. You will bloat, but it will go away with proper PCT and diet after the cycle. Sorry, most bulkers get you a little bit of a pumpkin head! Happy Halloween!


~DB~

[boDAWG]

BULK BULK BULK i need size

[MartyMcFly]

If you keep your diet in check and cardio right you will drop bf% on cycle. You may not lose one ounce of fat though.

[Bigmax]

If you keep your diet in check and cardio right you will drop bf% on cycle. You may not lose one ounce of fat though.

Bro please explain to me how you can lower BF% and not lose any Fat...

[boDAWG]

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[boDAWG]

If you keep your diet in check and cardio right you will drop bf% on cycle. You may not lose one ounce of fat though.

makes no sense to me

[wes cst rydr]

makes no sense to me

agree!

[Halfcenturian]

1-5 50mg/wk Anadrol
1-12 750mg/wk Test cyp
1-10 400 Deca NPP
1- 7 50 mg Proviron/ ED
B12 shot
Creatine monohydrate powder ED
7000-8000 calories a day. 500 mg protein. Eat clean, but get plenty of carbs.
20 minutes HIIT cardio, 3X aweek. AFTER workout.
Lift as heavy as possible...5x5's , DC. Kill yourself for 1 hour, 5 times a week.
H E A V Y !

PCT Nolva, Aromasin, caber/bromo,

[boDAWG]

1-5 50mg/wk Anadrol
1-12 750mg/wk Test cyp
1-10 400 Deca NPP
1- 7 50 mg Proviron/ ED
B12 shot
Creatine monohydrate powder ED
7000-8000 calories a day. 500 mg protein. Eat clean, but get plenty of carbs.
20 minutes HIIT cardio, 3X aweek. AFTER workout.
Lift as heavy as possible...5x5's , DC. Kill yourself for 1 hour, 5 times a week.
H E A V Y !

PCT Nolva, Aromasin, caber/bromo,

all that on my first cycle???

[Drummerboy]

Bro please explain to me how you can lower BF% and not lose any Fat...

by gaining just muscle, which changes the BF%, but tough to do.

[Drummerboy]

Bro, like i said, low dose test to start is a good way to see how your gonna react. You could even go that alone. Deca is relatively mild but has many great effects, and the oral is more of a jumpstart so you can see something quick. Your gonna have to bulk and not worry about cutting first. Cut later.

~DB~

[boDAWG]

exactly thats what i was thinkin BULK NOW CUT LATER, and oral is just so i can see results within first few weeks, and then how should i take nolvadex?

[passthetest]

I'd take like 40 mgs of nolva for ten days, then 20 mgs of nolva for llke ten. Start ten days after last cyp. shot.

[MartyMcFly]

Bro please explain to me how you can lower BF% and not lose any Fat...

Extremely easy. Add muscle. Therefore your bf% would be lower, if you did not add any fat. Simple math.

[MartyMcFly]

by gaining just muscle, which changes the BF%, but tough to do.

Yep.

[Halfcenturian]

all that on my first cycle???

You didn't say it was your first cycle.

Dbol 30 mg week 1-5
Test E week 1-12 500/mg

Skip the rest of the gear.
But not the food and training protocol.

[boDAWG]

You didn't say it was your first cycle.

Dbol 30 mg week 1-5
Test E week 1-12 500/mg

Skip the rest of the gear.
But not the food and training protocol.

thanks a lot seems like thats what ill do, should i still keep nolvadex on hand? also should i use clomid for PCT?

[boDAWG]

also what about anti estrogens?