tren not really doin anything

[andye]

ive been on tren ace now for about 20 days @100mgs eod ive also been doin test cyp since boxing day.

ive since learned that the cyp probably wouldnt have started to work yet but i was expecting the tren to start to show results pretty quick.

ive gained weight as im on a bulking diet but im adding bodyfat as well. tbh i think im only gaining as i would naturally if i did the bulk.

i noticed a little breathlessness and a little temp increase but thats it.

ive put some size on my arms and chest but like i say the bf calipers are creeping up so im thinkin im just gettin fat.

im tempetd to do a little cardio to get the fat off but i dont want to start the cardio for the tren and test to kick in.

i spent the last year loosing in excess of 35lbs of fat so i dont want to be putting it all back on. i was hoping the tren would add some good lean mass but like i say i appear to be adding bf.

what type of timescale should i be looking at for some results from the tren?? my streght is creeping up good and proper but nothing really on the mass front.

[fLgAtOr]

Probably should of noticed something by now. No night sweats? Aggression? Anything?

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you already stated in ur other thread yesterday that you have gained so far 10 lbs which is mostly muscle:

"ive gained about 10lbs which i presume is mostly muscle but the last week the gains have slowed right down. i havnt gained for a week now. im eating enough (4k calories a day) so my diet isnt a problem"
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=282572

[andye]

yes but that was at the beginning and bear in mind ive been on a big carb depleation for about a year.

i spent last year dieting and maintaining my lean bf. its only the beginning of this year that i started to bulk.

ive not gained anything for over a week. ive got slight aggression but the night sweats and breathlessness only lasted a couple of days.

im putting the 10lbs gain down to replenished glycogen/ maybe a little bf.

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whats ur stats and hows ur diet look like?

[andye]

26 years

training experiance about 10 years although ive been back exactly one year after an 2 year break

im currently around 200lbs but i lost 35lbs of fat last year.

11-12% body fat
6ft tall


id class this as my 3rd proper cycle or my 1st mass builder. did 2 small test prop and winny cycles last year with good results. lost a lot of bf and built some good shape.

i have done enanthate and the like years ago but was young and daft no pct etc. probs didnt stay on long enough to even work when i think about it. plus this was when i was 19-20 so its many moons ago.

my diet consists of

1.. whey/ casien mix with 100gms of oats, 2 slices of granary toast and a banana 900-1000 cals

train...

2..pwo. glucose drink (lucozade) witha bout 80 gms of simple sugar then 50 gms of whey

3... chicken breast/steak with 250 gms of white rice and handful of nuts 600 cals

4... 6 shredded wheat/ weeta bix with skimmed milk, banana and more nuts 800 cals

5... chicken breast/steaks with 250 gms of white rice and handful of nuts 600 cals

6 ... protein shake with 70gms of powdered oats in 300 mls of skimmed milk 500-600 cals

7.... chicken/steak 200 cals

8.... casien protein before bed

ive worked out this gives me around 4k plus per days cals and about 250-300 grams of protien. i also eat alot of fruit between meals.

please critique and maybe some input

cheers

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can u list the macro's for each meal?pro-carb-fat

[andye]

i could work it out but is it really that nessesary??? the main thing is im getting more than enough "good" carbs over 250 gms of protein and good fats from the nuts (i eat alot of nuts).

im obviously getting in excess of my maintenance cals as im gaining bf. the problem i am having however is that i dont feel like im on gear. i dont think this is to do with my diet.

every one knows the feeling of being on rather than off... well being, energy etc etc i just havnt noticed anything out of the ordinary yet. like i say the breathless was minimal so where the nights sweats, i mean the heating may have stayed on that night

i read alot about tren so prepered for the worst. and upto now nothing at all out of the ordinary. good stregth but thats it!

my lifts have increased as follows

shoulder press..
from...60lbs dbells upto 70lb for 8 reps

incline dbells
from 70lbs to 85lbs dbells for for 6-7

dbell curls
was 40lb dbell to 55lb for 6-8 reps

obviously im not listing all lifts but you can get the jist. this after about 4 weeks but its been going steady from when i started the diet rather than the tren

[SubmissionGrappler]

I sweat like a hostage on 100 mg ed Tren..its effin ridiculous.Does anyone not have nightsweats on 75mg+ ed on tren?

[DARKSEID]

I sweat like a hostage on 100 mg ed Tren..its effin ridiculous.Does anyone not have nightsweats on 75mg+ ed on tren?

Only time I ever got real nightsweats was the first time I ran tren.

[magic32]

Since you're experiencing difficulties with all other variables apparently in line, you'd do better to optimize efficiency. I'd reconsider the 100mgs EOD protocol. Though I'm not arguing its effectiveness, it isn't the most efficient...50 to 75mgs ED.

M.

[ru-ga-ru]

Only time I ever got real nightsweats was the first time I ran tren.

True I only had night sweats the 1st time. But that one was home made from those pellets and then a conversion kit.

The others were all from actual companies.


I felt that the homemade put more mass, strength and burned more fat. ?????

But I had more peace of mind from the ones from a pharmacy.

[SmallTime]

What would you all say the reason for using tren would be?

[magic32]

What would you all say the reason for using tren would be?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199832

M.

[fLgAtOr]

Well, not everyone gets sides from Tren (Shocking, isn't it?)...So I don't know how reliable it would be to judge it by that.

If you don't mind me asking, is it homebrew, UGL, pharm (please don't list the lab though).

[Bigmax]

Well, not everyone gets sides from Tren (Shocking, isn't it?)...So I don't know how reliable it would be to judge it by that.

If you don't mind me asking, is it homebrew, UGL, pharm (please don't list the lab though).

RIGHT!!!!..i dont get any...but I do agree also with the 75mg aday aswell...100 EOD just wont cut it...

[fLgAtOr]

RIGHT!!!!..i dont get any...but I do agree also with the 75mg aday aswell...100 EOD just wont cut it...

Now that I think of it, 10 lbs and some strength gains seems about right for 100mg EOD and no test (yet).

[andye]

Well, not everyone gets sides from Tren (Shocking, isn't it?)...So I don't know how reliable it would be to judge it by that.

If you don't mind me asking, is it homebrew, UGL, pharm (please don't list the lab though).

its reputable ug lab. i know a load of lads who use the same stuff from same guy and its all good.

maybe i'll see something when the test kicks in.

seein as ive only got enough to last at 100 mgs eod would i not be better running 50mgs ed??? im thinkin that 75mgs ed may be a bit much for me seeing as though im new to it.

cheers for all advice people

[fLgAtOr]

its reputable ug lab. i know a load of lads who use the same stuff from same guy and its all good.

maybe i'll see something when the test kicks in.

seein as ive only got enough to last at 100 mgs eod would i not be better running 50mgs ed??? im thinkin that 75mgs ed may be a bit much for me seeing as though im new to it.

cheers for all advice people

You have enough for how long at 100 mg EOD?

Don't be too worried about upping your dose. You know your own body, and it seems like you're responding favorably with minimal sides. If it's too much, trust me, you will know.

I personally would shoot ED. However, for every person that says they only shoot ED, there will be another that says it doesn't matter. Go figure.

[andye]

after a lot of reading from here and speaking to the guy i got it from ive decided your right so im gonna go for ed shots at 75mgs. before i do it though im gonna check my bp.

im also gonna up the test to 800mgs per week and just monitor the sides.

what are the main things i should watch out for as regards to sides. i can cope with the night sweats etc but when should i say right then thats enough??

what about protecting my liver or wont it be such an issue at this dose over say an 8 week period

thanx again

[fLgAtOr]

after a lot of reading from here and speaking to the guy i got it from ive decided your right so im gonna go for ed shots at 75mgs. before i do it though im gonna check my bp.

im also gonna up the test to 800mgs per week and just monitor the sides.

what are the main things i should watch out for as regards to sides. i can cope with the night sweats etc but when should i say right then thats enough??

what about protecting my liver or wont it be such an issue at this dose over say an 8 week period

thanx again

Personally, I would leave the test alone...But that's up to you.

Sides from tren...hmm...night sweats, acne, aggression, hair loss, gyno that's difficult to treat, lactating, libido probs, etc etc.....

So I guess you can decide when too much is too much. The good news is many of these sides can be controled by proper knowledge and percautions.

Any injectable steroid could elevate liver values a small amount, but I never knew that is was anything significant (even with tren)...Not like an oral steroid anyways.

Keep the water intake up throughout your cycle...Make sure you're pissing clear (or highlighter yellow if you take vitamins..haha).

[andye]

i always got the impression tren was harsh on your liver??

i take milk thistle anyway just incase

[fLgAtOr]

i always got the impression tren was harsh on your liver??

i take milk thistle anyway just incase

The rumor is kidneys... I don't think it's complete BS, but I haven't seen more than 1 or 2 cases of negative bloodwork (and I believe one of those was at a pretty high dose). Hence the water recommendation. Don't allow you piss to get brown.

[andye]

cool cheers.

im currently drinking about a gallon of water per day. hence why im waking for a piss every hour