Serious Pct Help Needed!!!!

[bigbouncinballs]

so... been off the gear for 8-9 months now. have gotten my balls back but not the libido. haven't had morning wood since i can't even remember.

clomid makes me incredibly moody and acne-y. i have taken one previous run of hcg at 1000ius twice a week for four weeks a couple months ago with 5g trib/day. erections were starting to come back till i tried to get rid of this lingering gyno with some letro for two weeks and not its gone again! so i'm currently doing hcg at 1000ius twice a week for two to four weeks with nolva.

should i:

use some clomid?
try some arimidex for possible estrogen?
give up and cut it off?


any help would be greatly appreciated.
oh yeah, previous cycle was for approximately a year/year and a half with lots of different doses.

[bigbouncinballs]

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[bigbouncinballs]

this section is worthless...

[Kale]

Smart thing to do would be to get a blood test for Free and Total Test and Estrodiol. Then you have something to work worth. Just trying shit just isnt going to cut it dude.

[bigbouncinballs]

thnx for the response kale! i know thats the logical next step but i have no insurance for another three months. just tryin to figure out what a doc would prescribe for someone with low test to get it back up. did a little more reading and found out that hcg is itself suppressive so i've clearly been goin about this the wrong way.

[Kale]

thnx for the response kale! i know thats the logical next step but i have no insurance for another three months. just tryin to figure out what a doc would prescribe for someone with low test to get it back up. did a little more reading and found out that hcg is itself suppressive so i've clearly been goin about this the wrong way.

Well if a Dr diagnosed you with low Test and you didnt tell him it was because of juice he would probably put you on HRT. Not sure thats really where you want to go. Dr's have no clue about PCT or how it works

[daaaan]

Do you also have bad acne? (might have too much estrogen)

[bigbouncinballs]

Well if a Dr diagnosed you with low Test and you didnt tell him it was because of juice he would probably put you on HRT. Not sure thats really where you want to go. Dr's have no clue about PCT or how it works

that's pretty much what i expected and bein 26, hrt is not where i wanna go. i figured its not a doctors opinion, but some people on these boards probably know just as much as docs on some topics.

[bigbouncinballs]

Do you also have bad acne? (might have too much estrogen)

no acne, but im guessin its waaaay too much estrogen floatin around cuz i've go the balls back but no libido, coupled with a bit of midsection fat i just can't lose... 60 min of cardio twice a day six days a week for a month and a half and a really low fat diet and still nothin!

[daaaan]

no acne, but im guessin its waaaay too much estrogen floatin around cuz i've go the balls back but no libido, coupled with a bit of midsection fat i just can't lose... 60 min of cardio twice a day six days a week for a month and a half and a really low fat diet and still nothin!

might want to continue with the letro till that is gone. what did u use in the cycle?

[bigbouncinballs]

might want to continue with the letro till that is gone. what did u use in the cycle?

everything.. but im stayin away from the letro as that doesn't help with the libido at all!

[hunter7]

try a product called viapal J.. its supposed to restore your hpta and intended specifically for libido issues. You can get it actionlove.com and it works,

[bigbouncinballs]

so what do you think the chances are higher, that i have:

really high estrogen or
really low estrogen...

i ordered some clovid (which i haven't taken in years) and figured id give it a shot but i know u usually take a-dex or nolva with it so i ordered some a-dex. but if the libido issue is from low estrogen, wouldn't a-dex make it worse... conversely, if the problem is from high estrogen, wouldn't taking clomid alone make it worse...

i'm lost.

[XNathan]

Do your blood tests!!! (Thanks for social public free medical care in my country )

You cant figure out your problem without it. You will shoot bullets on invisible target and hope for hit.

Your nuts are back but no libido. Propably you are high estro low test. hCG will not help you in this case. Use AI aromasin and tamoxifen run it for several weeks 10mg aromasin and 20mg tamoxifen a day will be enough. Second think is your SHBG due high estro will be also elevated there is Proviron your best choice plus nettle tea.

Good luck.

[Drummerboy]

Hey Bouncin -
I too had this problem. After heavy tren use, the following crash was harsh, and could not be helped with drugs. I did awsome PCT. I read a million articles and advice threads. PMed everyone. GF thought i was cheating cause i didnt care about gettin laid (although i could muster a hard on). Your out of balance, and you need to heal. It took me almost a year to feel kinda normal, 2 years later im fine. 2 years clean that is LOL! Quit shootin HCG all the time, im betting your gonna damage the boys for good. That shit is for infertile men, and its strong, and has the potential to damage leydig cells. Always use the nolva with it... and vitamin a i believe??? Read the PCT thread i put together for the vitamin... Most of all patience - equilibrium takes time to achieve when you mess it all up!

~DB~

[Drummerboy]

oh ya... it is high estro (gaining fat - thats the sign) and low test (no libido) your experiencing IMHO - do you cry at sad commercials or complain that your girl cant "just turn you on... you gotta be warmed up first..." , or maybe feel like gossiping for no apparent reason? kidding

~DB~

[bigbouncinballs]

sounds about what i was thinkin... no clomid?

[bigbouncinballs]

got bloodwork done, check the new thread for numbers and give me some reccomendations plzzzzz