has anyone had much experiencewith andriol.my source has large quanity. i read the profile but would like to hear from someone with experience and results.
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has anyone had much experiencewith andriol.my source has large quanity. i read the profile but would like to hear from someone with experience and results.
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It was crap.
Very weak. Similar to the old prohormones in results. A small boost, if any.
Buy something else unless they are like $.05 each.
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that may be the reason hes trying so hard to get rid of them. thanx for the info
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I take it you took it before? If so what was the dose and duration?Originally Posted by Stackertoo
Andriol is one of the very few things I havent tried but have only heard good things as long as it was ran properly..........
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i have not taken it.i was however considering it
Member
I'll be honest. I only had enough for 2 weeks. 120mg "beans" @3/day.
A bro got them in Mexico about eight years ago. I suppose they might have been fake, but they sure looked like what I have heard described.
I did not really feel much of anything from them.
Maybe it is like Androgel and you need ten per day.
Not sure of the problem, but not much use to me.
I actually wondered if you could suck the oil out and filter and shoot.
I also have seen some guys raving about it in the HRT forum.
I guess I missed something.
Member
It's Test undecanoate I think.
I think the reason for the high mg/bean ratio is that it's like drinking cyp or another oil base.
Supplement Guru
You need AT LEAST 10 per day to see decent results more the better the friggen rock pre workout as well.
And the gains and really dry and clean but dont expect massive gains a nice sloid 10-12 pounds is very achieveable within 4-6 weeks time
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1200 mg/day
DAMN!
But no 17-aa
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Thats why I asked. Someone can read what you wrote Stack and be like "Aw man I'm never taking those." That's the wonderful thing about open boards, feedback from everyone.
As Bryan stated you need higher doses. My buddy was taking 8 a day and loved it. Said it was very clean and retainable gains. I think it will be something I'll try down the road. Dam expensive though........
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If you do use it, let me know how it works out for you.
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Definitely will buddy but probably wont be for a little while.
I'm sure Goose will be posting his results soon. I know hes on it and he's very knowledgeable about it.........
Banned
My current cycle:
Primo 12 weeks
Andriol 12 weeks
Masteron 1-8
Winny 9-12
Andriol is great,thats all I can say.This is my second cycle...The only thing I can add is the dose protocol,you just can`t label a dose,it`s a very Personal thing that you will gain with experience,I have been changing my dose the whole cycle,play around.On training days pop 4 pills 70 mins before,that`s very important.The only draw-back is timing the 10-20 pills during the day,a pain in the ass,but worth it.
Typically, Andriol would be used in a stack with some other form of testosterone (injectable) as well as perhaps another oral.Wish I could add more but time for me to my bedroom...
goose....
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I wonder if anyone has run it alone, to take out the other variables (AAS). Just wondering.
That looks like a wicked cutter, goose.
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Andriol is a great drug if it works for you, ive used it many times on its own and to back a stack up, the dose is an idividual thing but normaly the dose would be high, there are no side effects only postives ones, its very underrated on this board but i feel that is because some dont know how to use it correctly.
Ive used it to cut and bulk and either way its a very good compound to have within a cycle, hardness/strenght/size are the results what i recieve from Andriol, some people find abit to expensive but its cheap in greece around 16euros,
I would advice any serious BB to try it and see if it works for them beause when it does the results are amazing without any major sides, There were studies done in England regarding Andriol and it came out on top for HRT no other test came near it, no sides only benefits, but you must learn how to use it correctly dose and other compounds to get the whole benefit from Andriol.
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Like Marcus said IF it works for you. Its basically swallowing testosterone with a big fat ester on it... so how much gets into the blood is the dilema. For me, the unknown and inconsistent findings for getting resuts from it are enough to keep me using an alternative... like an injectable 17B esterfied testosterone - that I know gets into the blood with predictable results...
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Also like to state that i have used Andriol as my main test in a couple of cycles along with other compounds and the results were exactly the same as an injectable, if this compounds reacts with you your going to experience good quality gains, but it is a pain taken them throughout the day but the benefits outshine the negatives..
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Have you seen others benefit from Andriol? Have you used it by itself before?
Some opinions from the "gurus"...
Brock Stasser
17-b ether technology works by causing the steroid/ether compound to be picked up by the lymphatic system rather than through the traditional route of absorption when you take something orally. If this mechanism of action sounds familair to you, it's because there is the non-17-b ether drug called Andriol (testosterone undecanoate) which also works this way — "work" being a highly subjective term because if you ask most bodybuilders what they think of Andriol, a universal "it sucks donkey balls" is what you'll hear as a reply.
To see any effects with Andriol, you'd need to take 8 of the little brown gel caps (or 400mg) per day. I would not expect that any 17-b ether prohormone would work anybetter than Andriol does and in fact (as you will see), I think the current product is utter crap. I think the 17-b ether prohormone is a nice, shiny gimmick that really doesn't offer much over plain, old prohormones. Still, you can't polish a turd.
Bill Roberts
Andriol, is a unique version of testosterone undecanoate developed by Organon. This version of testosterone is based in oil and is sealed in a capsule to be taken orally. According to the manufacturer, this method bypasses the liver and enters the body as a fat through the lymphatic system. In theory this seems quite interesting, however, athletes find Organon's claims don't hold up well. In doses of less than 240mg per day effects are generally non-existent. With higher doses, effects are small at best. This leads one to think most of the steroid is not making it to circulation. Generally, steroid users experienced with any strong anabolics will be disappointed with Andriol's results. Combined with other anabolics it may lend some effectiveness but should be questioned.
Patrick Arnold
The term "orally active" is of course a relative term. Lipophilically modified steroids are more orally active than the free parent steroids, however, they are no where near as active as the 17alpha-alkylated steroids. Testosterone undecanoate (TU) is probably the most commonly known lipophilically modified androgen, and it is not considered a very potent compound (its recommended daily dosage is about 240mg). In fact, one study found the oral administration of testosterone undecanoate led only to an absolute testosterone bioavailability of 6.83 +/- 3.32%. That is very slight, especially considering the fact that in the same study they found the bioavailability of straight testosterone to be 3.56 +/- 2.45% (Eur J Drug Metab Pharmacokinet 1986 Apr-Jun;11(2):145-9). That means TU is just a little less than twice as orally active as free testosterone, which is unimpressive to say the least.
William Llewellyn
Two lymph-delivered anabolic/androgenic steroids were ultimately developed and marketed by pharmaceutical companies. The first was Anabolicum Vister, which contains boldenone modified with enol ether (quinbolone), and the second Andriol, which uses the undecanoate ester of testosterone. Data is difficult to find on quinbolone, as it was an Italian steroid, however Andriol has been well studied and documented in English text medical journals. The studies are consistent, with Andriol proving to be the only orally effective testosterone product ever developed and commercially sold. Those who question the validity of this technology need only look at a study published in Acta Endocrinologica in 1975 . Here investigators compared the testosterone response from 100mg of orally administered testosterone undecanoate, dissolved in oil, with the effects of an equivalent dose (63mg) of free testosterone. The free testosterone had no noticeable effect on serum levels of testosterone at all, while there was a 2.3 fold increase reported with the single dose of testosterone undecanoate.
Anthony Roberts
Truthfully, I can’t be confident predicting more than a 5lbs gain with the use of Andriol, because this product has a very odd property, and that is the widely varying effects it has on test subjects. In one study I read, four test subjects were each given Andriol, and one had a huge surge in testosterone levels going up to 60.1nmol/L and the other only had a 11.5nmol/L level(5)! The remaining 2 test subjects fell in between those levels. I am speculating that the differences experienced by the test subjects were primarily due to the variances inherent in the lymphatic system. But to make matters even more inconsistent, there is no evidence that those variances wouldn’t occur within the same person taking Andriol (i.e. you get a huge surge in testosterone one day, and a very minor one the next day). This may be due to variability associated with whether this stuff is taken with food or not. Since it operates via association with your small intestine and lymphatic pathways, taking it with food greatly enhances it’s bioavailability(9), and this may be a case of “problem solved” but I’m hesitant to close the books on andriol’s absorbtion problems so quickly…for now, we’ll just say you are spending your money much more wisely if you take your andriol with meals.
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I'm going to have to save this one Warrior. I"m sure you had to do a lot of copying and pasting with this one, thanks for the time...............Have you seen others benefit from Andriol? Have you used it by itself before?
Some opinions from the "gurus"...
Brock Stasser
17-b ether technology works by causing the steroid/ether compound to be picked up by the lymphatic system rather than through the traditional route of absorption when you take something orally. If this mechanism of action sounds familair to you, it's because there is the non-17-b ether drug called Andriol (testosterone undecanoate) which also works this way — "work" being a highly subjective term because if you ask most bodybuilders what they think of Andriol, a universal "it sucks donkey balls" is what you'll hear as a reply.
To see any effects with Andriol, you'd need to take 8 of the little brown gel caps (or 400mg) per day. I would not expect that any 17-b ether prohormone would work anybetter than Andriol does and in fact (as you will see), I think the current product is utter crap. I think the 17-b ether prohormone is a nice, shiny gimmick that really doesn't offer much over plain, old prohormones. Still, you can't polish a turd.
Bill Roberts
Andriol, is a unique version of testosterone undecanoate developed by Organon. This version of testosterone is based in oil and is sealed in a capsule to be taken orally. According to the manufacturer, this method bypasses the liver and enters the body as a fat through the lymphatic system. In theory this seems quite interesting, however, athletes find Organon's claims don't hold up well. In doses of less than 240mg per day effects are generally non-existent. With higher doses, effects are small at best. This leads one to think most of the steroid is not making it to circulation. Generally, steroid users experienced with any strong anabolics will be disappointed with Andriol's results. Combined with other anabolics it may lend some effectiveness but should be questioned.
Patrick Arnold
The term "orally active" is of course a relative term. Lipophilically modified steroids are more orally active than the free parent steroids, however, they are no where near as active as the 17alpha-alkylated steroids. Testosterone undecanoate (TU) is probably the most commonly known lipophilically modified androgen, and it is not considered a very potent compound (its recommended daily dosage is about 240mg). In fact, one study found the oral administration of testosterone undecanoate led only to an absolute testosterone bioavailability of 6.83 +/- 3.32%. That is very slight, especially considering the fact that in the same study they found the bioavailability of straight testosterone to be 3.56 +/- 2.45% (Eur J Drug Metab Pharmacokinet 1986 Apr-Jun;11(2):145-9). That means TU is just a little less than twice as orally active as free testosterone, which is unimpressive to say the least.
William Llewellyn
Two lymph-delivered anabolic/androgenic steroids were ultimately developed and marketed by pharmaceutical companies. The first was Anabolicum Vister, which contains boldenone modified with enol ether (quinbolone), and the second Andriol, which uses the undecanoate ester of testosterone. Data is difficult to find on quinbolone, as it was an Italian steroid, however Andriol has been well studied and documented in English text medical journals. The studies are consistent, with Andriol proving to be the only orally effective testosterone product ever developed and commercially sold. Those who question the validity of this technology need only look at a study published in Acta Endocrinologica in 1975 . Here investigators compared the testosterone response from 100mg of orally administered testosterone undecanoate, dissolved in oil, with the effects of an equivalent dose (63mg) of free testosterone. The free testosterone had no noticeable effect on serum levels of testosterone at all, while there was a 2.3 fold increase reported with the single dose of testosterone undecanoate.
Anthony Roberts
Truthfully, I can’t be confident predicting more than a 5lbs gain with the use of Andriol, because this product has a very odd property, and that is the widely varying effects it has on test subjects. In one study I read, four test subjects were each given Andriol, and one had a huge surge in testosterone levels going up to 60.1nmol/L and the other only had a 11.5nmol/L level(5)! The remaining 2 test subjects fell in between those levels. I am speculating that the differences experienced by the test subjects were primarily due to the variances inherent in the lymphatic system. But to make matters even more inconsistent, there is no evidence that those variances wouldn’t occur within the same person taking Andriol (i.e. you get a huge surge in testosterone one day, and a very minor one the next day). This may be due to variability associated with whether this stuff is taken with food or not. Since it operates via association with your small intestine and lymphatic pathways, taking it with food greatly enhances it’s bioavailability(9), and this may be a case of “problem solved” but I’m hesitant to close the books on andriol’s absorbtion problems so quickly…for now, we’ll just say you are spending your money much more wisely if you take your andriol with meals.
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Warrior, I have used it on its own but i do prefer using it with other compounds, i know alot of people dont like it but if this drug reacts with you the gains are quality.Have you seen others benefit from Andriol? Have you used it by itself before?
Some opinions from the "gurus"...
Brock Stasser
17-b ether technology works by causing the steroid/ether compound to be picked up by the lymphatic system rather than through the traditional route of absorption when you take something orally. If this mechanism of action sounds familair to you, it's because there is the non-17-b ether drug called Andriol (testosterone undecanoate) which also works this way — "work" being a highly subjective term because if you ask most bodybuilders what they think of Andriol, a universal "it sucks donkey balls" is what you'll hear as a reply.
To see any effects with Andriol, you'd need to take 8 of the little brown gel caps (or 400mg) per day. I would not expect that any 17-b ether prohormone would work anybetter than Andriol does and in fact (as you will see), I think the current product is utter crap. I think the 17-b ether prohormone is a nice, shiny gimmick that really doesn't offer much over plain, old prohormones. Still, you can't polish a turd.
Bill Roberts
Andriol, is a unique version of testosterone undecanoate developed by Organon. This version of testosterone is based in oil and is sealed in a capsule to be taken orally. According to the manufacturer, this method bypasses the liver and enters the body as a fat through the lymphatic system. In theory this seems quite interesting, however, athletes find Organon's claims don't hold up well. In doses of less than 240mg per day effects are generally non-existent. With higher doses, effects are small at best. This leads one to think most of the steroid is not making it to circulation. Generally, steroid users experienced with any strong anabolics will be disappointed with Andriol's results. Combined with other anabolics it may lend some effectiveness but should be questioned.
Patrick Arnold
The term "orally active" is of course a relative term. Lipophilically modified steroids are more orally active than the free parent steroids, however, they are no where near as active as the 17alpha-alkylated steroids. Testosterone undecanoate (TU) is probably the most commonly known lipophilically modified androgen, and it is not considered a very potent compound (its recommended daily dosage is about 240mg). In fact, one study found the oral administration of testosterone undecanoate led only to an absolute testosterone bioavailability of 6.83 +/- 3.32%. That is very slight, especially considering the fact that in the same study they found the bioavailability of straight testosterone to be 3.56 +/- 2.45% (Eur J Drug Metab Pharmacokinet 1986 Apr-Jun;11(2):145-9). That means TU is just a little less than twice as orally active as free testosterone, which is unimpressive to say the least.
William Llewellyn
Two lymph-delivered anabolic/androgenic steroids were ultimately developed and marketed by pharmaceutical companies. The first was Anabolicum Vister, which contains boldenone modified with enol ether (quinbolone), and the second Andriol, which uses the undecanoate ester of testosterone. Data is difficult to find on quinbolone, as it was an Italian steroid, however Andriol has been well studied and documented in English text medical journals. The studies are consistent, with Andriol proving to be the only orally effective testosterone product ever developed and commercially sold. Those who question the validity of this technology need only look at a study published in Acta Endocrinologica in 1975 . Here investigators compared the testosterone response from 100mg of orally administered testosterone undecanoate, dissolved in oil, with the effects of an equivalent dose (63mg) of free testosterone. The free testosterone had no noticeable effect on serum levels of testosterone at all, while there was a 2.3 fold increase reported with the single dose of testosterone undecanoate.
Anthony Roberts
Truthfully, I can’t be confident predicting more than a 5lbs gain with the use of Andriol, because this product has a very odd property, and that is the widely varying effects it has on test subjects. In one study I read, four test subjects were each given Andriol, and one had a huge surge in testosterone levels going up to 60.1nmol/L and the other only had a 11.5nmol/L level(5)! The remaining 2 test subjects fell in between those levels. I am speculating that the differences experienced by the test subjects were primarily due to the variances inherent in the lymphatic system. But to make matters even more inconsistent, there is no evidence that those variances wouldn’t occur within the same person taking Andriol (i.e. you get a huge surge in testosterone one day, and a very minor one the next day). This may be due to variability associated with whether this stuff is taken with food or not. Since it operates via association with your small intestine and lymphatic pathways, taking it with food greatly enhances it’s bioavailability(9), and this may be a case of “problem solved” but I’m hesitant to close the books on andriol’s absorbtion problems so quickly…for now, we’ll just say you are spending your money much more wisely if you take your andriol with meals.
Looking back over my cycle diary when i used this drug on its own i produced 7lbs of muscle, i didnt lose one bit after i stopped the cycle i kept the whole lot, my body was harder and looked like it was craved out of stone.
I always read everybodys opinion/studies/theorys on all drugs but to be honest i take in what they say but i always try and experiment with my own body with the compounds, i am very in tune with my body and i respond to the slightist thing, i fully understand what its suppose to do or not do, but with this drug you have to try it for yourself correctly and then you can decided if its not or is for you.
Alot of people react differently to compounds i could give you ten people who use this drug all the time with amazing reactions,but then again i could give you another who hate it, Read all what people say and try it at the right dose and see for yourself.
Warrior have you had any experience with using the compound?
Marcus
Member
im hopin some more will see this if theve used it and post some more experiances with this. is organon the only one who makes this?
Anabolic Member
Ive used Andriol once and loved it.
Its actually my "Testosterone" of choice. It doesnt give me sides like bloating and body acne, like the Test-esters do.
And boy does that stuff increase libido....
Banned- Scammer!
Its on my hit list of compounds to run.
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Vitor, i know what you mean, the sexual drive when you are running this is untrue, and no sides what so ever even at high dosages, ive had no sides only my sex drive goes crazy more than any other test around, i always have some on stand-by
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Have you seen others benefit from Andriol? Have you used it by itself before?
Some opinions from the "gurus"...
Brock Stasser
17-b ether technology works by causing the steroid/ether compound to be picked up by the lymphatic system rather than through the traditional route of absorption when you take something orally. If this mechanism of action sounds familair to you, it's because there is the non-17-b ether drug called Andriol (testosterone undecanoate) which also works this way — "work" being a highly subjective term because if you ask most bodybuilders what they think of Andriol, a universal "it sucks donkey balls" is what you'll hear as a reply.
To see any effects with Andriol, you'd need to take 8 of the little brown gel caps (or 400mg) per day. I would not expect that any 17-b ether prohormone would work anybetter than Andriol does and in fact (as you will see), I think the current product is utter crap. I think the 17-b ether prohormone is a nice, shiny gimmick that really doesn't offer much over plain, old prohormones. Still, you can't polish a turd.
Bill Roberts
Andriol, is a unique version of testosterone undecanoate developed by Organon. This version of testosterone is based in oil and is sealed in a capsule to be taken orally. According to the manufacturer, this method bypasses the liver and enters the body as a fat through the lymphatic system. In theory this seems quite interesting, however, athletes find Organon's claims don't hold up well. In doses of less than 240mg per day effects are generally non-existent. With higher doses, effects are small at best. This leads one to think most of the steroid is not making it to circulation. Generally, steroid users experienced with any strong anabolics will be disappointed with Andriol's results. Combined with other anabolics it may lend some effectiveness but should be questioned.
Patrick Arnold
The term "orally active" is of course a relative term. Lipophilically modified steroids are more orally active than the free parent steroids, however, they are no where near as active as the 17alpha-alkylated steroids. Testosterone undecanoate (TU) is probably the most commonly known lipophilically modified androgen, and it is not considered a very potent compound (its recommended daily dosage is about 240mg). In fact, one study found the oral administration of testosterone undecanoate led only to an absolute testosterone bioavailability of 6.83 +/- 3.32%. That is very slight, especially considering the fact that in the same study they found the bioavailability of straight testosterone to be 3.56 +/- 2.45% (Eur J Drug Metab Pharmacokinet 1986 Apr-Jun;11(2):145-9). That means TU is just a little less than twice as orally active as free testosterone, which is unimpressive to say the least.
William Llewellyn
Two lymph-delivered anabolic/androgenic steroids were ultimately developed and marketed by pharmaceutical companies. The first was Anabolicum Vister, which contains boldenone modified with enol ether (quinbolone), and the second Andriol, which uses the undecanoate ester of testosterone. Data is difficult to find on quinbolone, as it was an Italian steroid, however Andriol has been well studied and documented in English text medical journals. The studies are consistent, with Andriol proving to be the only orally effective testosterone product ever developed and commercially sold. Those who question the validity of this technology need only look at a study published in Acta Endocrinologica in 1975 . Here investigators compared the testosterone response from 100mg of orally administered testosterone undecanoate, dissolved in oil, with the effects of an equivalent dose (63mg) of free testosterone. The free testosterone had no noticeable effect on serum levels of testosterone at all, while there was a 2.3 fold increase reported with the single dose of testosterone undecanoate.
Anthony Roberts
Truthfully, I can’t be confident predicting more than a 5lbs gain with the use of Andriol, because this product has a very odd property, and that is the widely varying effects it has on test subjects. In one study I read, four test subjects were each given Andriol, and one had a huge surge in testosterone levels going up to 60.1nmol/L and the other only had a 11.5nmol/L level(5)! The remaining 2 test subjects fell in between those levels. I am speculating that the differences experienced by the test subjects were primarily due to the variances inherent in the lymphatic system. But to make matters even more inconsistent, there is no evidence that those variances wouldn’t occur within the same person taking Andriol (i.e. you get a huge surge in testosterone one day, and a very minor one the next day). This may be due to variability associated with whether this stuff is taken with food or not. Since it operates via association with your small intestine and lymphatic pathways, taking it with food greatly enhances it’s bioavailability(9), and this may be a case of “problem solved” but I’m hesitant to close the books on andriol’s absorbtion problems so quickly…for now, we’ll just say you are spending your money much more wisely if you take your andriol with meals.
What a joke for a guy who has never used this drug,you give information these gurus, yet on another thread with me on slin you question Hooker ideas because of his body? Yet here you use him to surport you ideas
goose...
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Whats your problem? I put up various quotes from people that consider themselves "gurus"... and I never said I questioned Hooker's ideas - someone (you?) mentioned that Hooker said something did not work well for HIM... and I simply mentioned Hooker is not THAT big of a dude to go by what works for him. I never said his research isn't valid though...What a joke for a guy who has never used this drug,you give information these gurus, yet on another thread with me on slin you question Hooker ideas because of his body? Yet here you use him to surport you ideas
goose...
Back off... I choose not to use Andriol for anything... but thats simply because my research leads me to belive this esterfied oral to be unconclusive in it's results...
You got an issue with me or something?
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No, but I have been interested in its results with different people. When I plan out a cycle... I don't like to wonder if something is going to actually produce the results I expect. I'll try and set some time this year to try it by itself for a little test run and see if I respond. I remember Llewellyn once worte about how many never responded to it... then that quote I found from him (posted above) seems he is in favor for it...
We should add a poll to this thread...
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I fully understand your thinking i was the same but when i tried it i had a completely different opinion, it must be used corectly and the gains are great just like any other test, but like alot of stuff in bodybuilding it doesnt respond to everybody in a great way.No, but I have been interested in its results with different people. When I plan out a cycle... I don't like to wonder if something is going to actually produce the results I expect. I'll try and set some time this year to try it by itself for a little test run and see if I respond. I remember Llewellyn once worte about how many never responded to it... then that quote I found from him (posted above) seems he is in favor for it...
We should add a poll to this thread...
Please let me know when you do try it let me know the results, hope you are well and the diet is on target
Marcus
Senior Member
bump for this thread... from those who have used it how bad did it shut you down?
Smart Ass Member
I found it to be lacking... plus you need to take it with every one of your meals (2-3 hours) and at higher doses. Unless you are getting them cheap I would consider them crap. Personal opinion.
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I found them great. good results, allmost no sides, but (big BUT) you need to take enough.
I took 14 caps per day, giving 480mg per day.... that is +/- 350 test after you remove the ester.
You need to use them with meals, and have some money to spare.
Smart Ass Member
I had to take that many also... and for the money vs. what I got from drol or dbol it was not worth it to me. Plus I did not have that great of results. Marcus what dont you understand?
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yeh would be intresting..We should add a poll to this thread...
Banned
14 caps gives 560
goose..
Associate Member
just a quick question - why do we have to use the organon caps? cant we just prepare our own test undec oil and take it like you would regular andriol? sure would be cheap, plus u dont have to sterilize.
Associate Member
good info guys. can a female use it
Last edited by bball_playa; 11-09-2006 at 07:00 AM.
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Apparently, test is only absorbed at about 5% when taken orally, and with andriol, only 63% is test. This means that if you wanted the 350mg of test base that 500mg of Cyp gives, you would need to take in ~1.59g per day.
Obviously, you can use less, but dont expect the same gains
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If you havent tried this compound its a must, i know on paper it may look bad with absorbtion, but the feel and quality you recieve from this compound is isnt nothing like an injectable,
If is agree's with you and you use it correctly its a good addition to any cycle.
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I beleive that it would work marvelously, and you can beleive that i will run it at some point in my life, but not now when im living off peanuts
I was just showing some math for the people who are like "well, i took 300mg, why isnt it working, this is shit!"
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