advice

[sequal]

im 21yr, 165p, 5'8"

20ml suss
20ml decca

1ml suss/1ml of decca in same shot, twice a week. is that too much? (10 week cycle)

both oil based
pc. clomid

should i lower the dosage of decca?
help

i wanna start tonight

[Titleist]

You should do more research first.

Clomid only is not a good PCT.

What dosages are you planning to run with your cycle? 1ml tells us nothing about your gear. What is your Deca dosed at?

Is this your 1st cycle?

[BigEast]

im 21yr, 165p, 5'8"

20ml suss
20ml decca

1ml suss/1ml of decca in same shot, twice a week. is that too much? (10 week cycle)

both oil based
pc. clomid

should i lower the dosage of decca?
help

i wanna start tonight

is this ur first cycle?

[kfrost06]

what are the strengths? i.e. how many mg/ml? It is also recommended to run test cyp or test e for another week or two longer than deca because deca has such a long half life and is very suppressive to your natural test production. Also, make sure you have an AI on hand for gyno. Do not wait till you get gyno symptoms to get an AI, have it on hand while running a deca cycle.

[SMAN12b]

also deca needs to be cut short of sust by at least a week if not two.

what are the concentrations of your compounds

[sequal]

im 21yr, 165p, 5'8"

20ml suss
20ml decca

1ml suss/1ml of decca in same shot, twice a week. is that too much? (10 week cycle)

both oil based
pc. clomid

should i lower the dosage of decca?
help

i wanna start tonight

yes this is my first real cycle...i took cycle of decca, didnt gain much,

[sequal]

You should do more research first.

Clomid only is not a good PCT.

What dosages are you planning to run with your cycle? 1ml tells us nothing about your gear. What is your Deca dosed at?

Is this your 1st cycle?

well i been told, 1ml suss and 1ml of decca in each shot, twice a week?

also said i could mix the shots because there both oil based

this is my real first cycle, i wanna start tonight

what do you think about the dosages

im taking clomid for post cycle, to bring my levels back, should i take some thing else.

[SMAN12b]

Gains are 90% d-ependant on your diet and training and NOT on the gear, that just gives a boost to everything.

You are taking it wrong, and I dont' care WHO gave this stuff to you.

Sust has 4 different esters in it. short ones and long ones and unless you want undue side effects it needs to be shot EOD not just twice a week

Deca needs to be cut short at least a week, before your sust is done

PCT should be more than just Clomid, and you may want an AI to use during the cycle to prevent bloat or in case signs of GYNO

ONE compound for your first cycle is all you should be doing, and by your replies, you really are NOT ready to be altering your HPTA and hormones in your body!!!!!

[BG]

Man o man.

[C_Bino]

Ok for you and any other person reading this thread DO NOT POST fluid quantities of the substance you are using. GIVE US THE STRENGTH.
Your deca could be 100mg/mL or 400mg/mL. SO injecting 2mL per week could be giving you 200mg or 800mg. HUGE difference, so how can we possibly give you advice when we dont even know how much you are using.

I suggest doing some reading on your own, even if you do trust who you are getting it from, being injectable drugs wouldnt you want to research on your own anyways before you put them into your body and risk messing yourself up?
Plus just so you know the people giving you advice dont know the best way to use steroids, so although they will get results from them they are not getting the most out of their cycles and thats a promise.

[BG]

Your far from ready to do a cycle period.

[sequal]

yea i'am just trying to understand ml vs mg, im sorry if i'am pissing anyone off, i been doing alot of research, im just new to this stuff, i gotta start some where. any advice would help thanks

[Mogamedogz]

Dude dont inject yourself with AAS until you are 100% certain that you understand what it is you are doing. Dont be stupid man. You will regret it later.

If this is your first cycle, I suggest you run Test only @ 500mg a week. But before you do that, make sure you read up on it some more. Dont just go mixing shit and injecting it into your body. Thats crazy.

[sequal]

AGE 21,
HEIGHT 5'8"
WEIGHT 165
BF-about 6%
DIET- i eat healthy,
TRAINING- 5 days/wk,
PREVIOUS CYCLES- took cycle of decca, last year
GOALS is to gain mass and muscel,
PCT - taking clomid and something elses

suss 250mg/ml/twice a wk (500mg/wk)
decca 300mg/ml/twice a wk(600mg/wk)
10 weekcycle

both oil base, should i mix? should i lower the dosage of decca?

any advice?
thanks~

[MuscleScience]

I was just like you at your age, but I was taller. I say lower your cardio and eat 4000 plus calories a day. Stay away from the gear until your growth plates fuse.

[MuscleScience]

Oh sorry thought you were 18, in that cause what a little longer until your natural test levels start to decline as you age. Maybe around 23-25 yoa and then maybe start the gear

[sequal]

AGE 21,
HEIGHT 5'8"
WEIGHT 165
BF-about 6%
DIET- i eat healthy,
TRAINING- 5 days/wk,
PREVIOUS CYCLES- took cycle of decca, last year
GOALS is to gain mass and muscel,
PCT - taking clomid

suss 250mg/ml/twice a wk (500mg/wk)
decca 300mg/ml/twice a wk(600mg/wk)
10 weekcycle

both oil base, should i mix? should i lower the dosage of decca?



any advice?
thanks~

i need more feed back pleaseee thank you

[MuscleScience]

I dont know how your metabolism is but when i was 21 to 22 I was like 185 and 5 % body fat. I ate well over 4500 calories a day but could not gain a lick of weight. I played college baseball so I ran every day and I lifted 5 days a week on my own. I didnt play summer ball one year and could only lift 3 days a week because of work and we only had to run 3 days a week. That summer I put on about 15 pounds of wieght and only put on a little body fat. So what im saying is maybe your overtraining if you say your diet is clean. Sometimes less is more, and your body needs more time to recover. Just my two cents.

[sequal]

yea...but wut you think about the cycle, do you have any personal opinon about the dosages or anything? what else can i take for the post cycle?

does suss have to be shot EOD?

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[sequal]

help????????

[SMAN12b]

help????????

What part of YOU ARE NOT READY TO DO A CYCLE didn't you understand from everyone here giving you advice?????????

Your cycle is short of a decent cycle and sorry to tell you but.........

PCT of clomid and SOMETHING ELSES.... is enough proof to us and yourself that you are just not educated enough to be doing this right now let alone tring to jump into starting YESTERDAY

I told you already in my other posts about your cycle and the Deca needing to be cut short of the test, but you still layout your cycle running BOTH for 10 weeks.....

YOU ARE JUST NOT READY to listen to the advice given and that makes you dangerous to yourself!!!!! You are looking for someone here to tell you GO AHEAD with your cycle, that is all you want to hear,

YOU DON"T EVEN HAVE PCT FIGURED OUT and that is the most important part of your cycle.

What you gonna do if you show signs of gyno during the cycle??

What about bloat from water retention?

[sequal]

Originally Posted by sequal
AGE 21,
HEIGHT 5'8"
WEIGHT 165
BF-about 6%
DIET- i eat healthy,
TRAINING- 5 days/wk,
PREVIOUS CYCLES- took cycle of decca, last year
GOALS is to gain mass and muscel,
PCT - taking clomid and something elses

wk 1-7 suss 250mg/ml/twice a wk (500mg/wk) decca 300mg/ml/once a wk(300mg/wk)
wk 7-10 suss 250mg/ml/twice a wk (500mg/wk)
wk 11-13 pc clomid 50mg
wk 11-13 pc Arimidex

I am just trying to understand how things work. I’m not going to start a cycle unless I know what I’m doing, anyway the only way I could figure this stuff out if you guys help me, I been reading allot about this stuff.
If I don’t have a good post cycle what would you recommend?
If my cycle is wrong let me know
I am in need of help not criticism, so anything would be greatly appreciated
Thank You

[sequal]

feed back?

[SMAN12b]

Originally Posted by sequal
AGE 21,
HEIGHT 5'8"
WEIGHT 165
BF-about 6%
DIET- i eat healthy,
TRAINING- 5 days/wk,
PREVIOUS CYCLES- took cycle of decca, last year
GOALS is to gain mass and muscel,
PCT - taking clomid and something elses

wk 1-7 suss 250mg/ml/twice a wk (500mg/wk) decca 300mg/ml/once a wk(300mg/wk)
wk 7-10 suss 250mg/ml/twice a wk (500mg/wk)
wk 11-13 pc clomid 50mg
wk 11-13 pc Arimidex

I am just trying to understand how things work. I’m not going to start a cycle unless I know what I’m doing, anyway the only way I could figure this stuff out if you guys help me, I been reading allot about this stuff.
If I don’t have a good post cycle what would you recommend?
If my cycle is wrong let me know
I am in need of help not criticism, so anything would be greatly appreciated
Thank You

Well sorry if you aren't playing with foam building blocks here , you are playing with your health and your LIFE, so expect criticism when your own posts show that you have NOT read enough or researched enough PERIOD !!

Your cycle still sucks and IF you did read, you would know that Deca can take anywhere from 4-6 weeks just to fully kick in , so you are gonna be stopping it ONE week after it fully kicks in..........

And IF you truly researched , you would know that PCT start time for Sust is NOT the week after you finish taking it , BUT 18 days after your last Sust shot!!

The problem here is that you say you researched, and you don't' want criticized , BUT you are leaving out the MOST important parts because you did NOT research enough..........

I researched for over a year before I ever did my first cycle and still didn't know enough!!!

[jdm95lude]

dude research research research man you need lots of it. Go read all the stickiesin the PCT forum and go read about the compounds you are wanting to take in the PROFILE forum. Thats a good start.

[sequal]

Well sorry if you aren't playing with foam building blocks here , you are playing with your health and your LIFE, so expect criticism when your own posts show that you have NOT read enough or researched enough PERIOD !!

Your cycle still sucks and IF you did read, you would know that Deca can take anywhere from 4-6 weeks just to fully kick in , so you are gonna be stopping it ONE week after it fully kicks in..........

And IF you truly researched , you would know that PCT start time for Sust is NOT the week after you finish taking it , BUT 18 days after your last Sust shot!!

The problem here is that you say you researched, and you don't' want criticized , BUT you are leaving out the MOST important parts because you did NOT research enough..........

I researched for over a year before I ever did my first cycle and still didn't know enough!!!

thanks Sman12B, you see thats helpping me out. i'm getting it lil by lil,

anything elses ?

[sequal]

Nolvadex or letro are they alike? or should i get both?

[perfectbeast2001]

you should forget AS and read and train and eat for a year or so...

[hardgainer1]

Your far from ready to do a cycle period.

listen to bigguns you are barking up the wrong tree, try diet and excercise for like 3 years and read a lot on whats what with juice

[sequal]

yea i know wut your sayin, but i been lifting for 4 years and i have been read alot about this stuff i tryed everything dieting, all kinds of supplements, i need a boost, its hard for me to make gains also i took a cycle of deca last year.

[SMAN12b]

yea i know wut your sayin, but i been lifting for 4 years and i have been read alot about this stuff i tryed everything dieting, all kinds of supplements, i need a boost, its hard for me to make gains also i took a cycle of deca last year.

You have NOT tried everything, cause it hasn't worked SO whatever you were doing , it wasn't the best thing you could be doing , just like the way you want to cycle NOW when your not ready, you gonna get the same results.

IF you keep doing what you always did then your gonna get what you always got !!!!

You came here for HELP......well take that help and start doing things right.

Start correcting your DIET first ...cause you didn't do that correctly

Then start fixing your training, cause your not doing that correctly

Then in a couple more years when you learn how to do this right, then start worrying about a cycle

Don't expect to keep much of anything if you cycle right now!!!

[sequal]

I know what you’re saying and I appreciate it, let be straight here people take AAS to get a boost, so they can get big quicker, instead of it taking years and for other reasons competitions and so forth. I been lifting for years with all different type of works outs and isolating each muscle, and yes I seen lots gains, I got a lot bigger and really cut, my body fat dropped significantly, yes I dieted, eating 3000-4000 calories a day, watching what I was eating, only drinking water and protein shakes, I took all kinds of supplements, I read books on work out plans and diets. I been reading allot about AAS and maybe I don’t know as much as you guys but I know more the just the basics. I think u got the wrong impression of my first post but I do appreciate what you’re saying. I am going to start my cycle and it would be a great if you guys help me and give me pointers instead of criticizing me on what you dont know. I’m not a professional, I am doing this to look good on the beach not for competitions, and I’m not going to be doing multiple cycles, I’m doing one to get a boost then that’s it. Thanks for hearing me out, and I’m sure you know what I am say.

[RA]

I would keep the sus around 500mgs/wk broke up into at least 3 shots/wk. The deca 400mgs/wk shot twice/wk.

sus 1-12
deca 1-10

pct 18 days after last sus shot

clomid 100mgs for 15 days
50mgs for 15 days(or until back to normal)
Nolva 20mgs for 30days(or until back to normal)

[sequal]

yea that what i was plan on doing,

i got clomid and nolva

i also got letro just in case of gyno,

[perfectbeast2001]

I know what you’re saying and I appreciate it, let be straight here people take AAS to get a boost, so they can get big quicker, instead of it taking years and for other reasons competitions and so forth. I been lifting for years with all different type of works outs and isolating each muscle, and yes I seen lots gains, I got a lot bigger and really cut, my body fat dropped significantly, yes I dieted, eating 3000-4000 calories a day, watching what I was eating, only drinking water and protein shakes, I took all kinds of supplements, I read books on work out plans and diets. I been reading allot about AAS and maybe I don’t know as much as you guys but I know more the just the basics. I think u got the wrong impression of my first post but I do appreciate what you’re saying. I am going to start my cycle and it would be a great if you guys help me and give me pointers instead of criticizing me on what you dont know. I’m not a professional, I am doing this to look good on the beach not for competitions, and I’m not going to be doing multiple cycles, I’m doing one to get a boost then that’s it. Thanks for hearing me out, and I’m sure you know what I am say.

You wont get shit if your diet and training arent on point and they are quite obviously not or you would be bigger and you wouldn't be writing this thread. Go ahead and waste your money and be like all the other fools who neglect the basics in hope of a quick fix...

[sequal]

then why ARE you taking or took AAS

[SMAN12b]

then why ARE you taking or took AAS

Who you asking?

For me, I trained naturally until I was 36, just go to my profile and you can see what can be done naturally if you are committed.

I was 5'11" and about 210 when I started, so that was already a decent base and I knew how to train and eat to grow.

Now i have just completed my 4th or 5th cycle and I am a nice 250lbs !!

You got to know what you are doing if you want to keep what you gain and be COMMITTED to doing it right, not just because you "need a boost" that boost will be over and you will be back to your small self IF you do not do this correctly. and saying you are only gonna do ONE cycle is BS once you pop, you just can't stop.....so LEARN how to do it safely and we can help you IF you will only listen

[sequal]

Who you asking?

For me, I trained naturally until I was 36, just go to my profile and you can see what can be done naturally if you are committed.

I was 5'11" and about 210 when I started, so that was already a decent base and I knew how to train and eat to grow.

Now i have just completed my 4th or 5th cycle and I am a nice 250lbs !!

You got to know what you are doing if you want to keep what you gain and be COMMITTED to doing it right, not just because you "need a boost" that boost will be over and you will be back to your small self IF you do not do this correctly. and saying you are only gonna do ONE cycle is BS once you pop, you just can't stop.....so LEARN how to do it safely and we can help you IF you will only listen

im asking anyone...someone that could give me advice...like i said i am only doing one cycle and thats it, if i wait to im 36yr its pointless for me, i dont want to be 36 and on AAS, i want a boost now so i look good in my 20's, not when im married and have kids.. understand wut im saying?

[SMAN12b]

im asking anyone...someone that could give me advice...like i said i am only doing one cycle and thats it, if i wait to im 36yr its pointless for me, i dont want to be 36 and on AAS, i want a boost now so i look good in my 20's, not when im married and have kids.. understand wut im saying?

You have already been given a TON of good advice.

and if you think you are doing just ONE cycle don't kid yourself... we hear that ALL the time on here "Oh I am just gonna do ONE cycle" and then they come back for information for cycle #2 and #3. SO please DON'T say you are just doing ONE.....LOLOL