Ok, fine ****ers

[Alpha_Romeo]

Ok, so you guys are right, in light of previous posts where I proposed test stacked with an oral advice was given to just run cyp. Well I realized that i'm worried about sides yet insist on runnin multiple compounds....it's completely antithetical at best. Anyways here is my proposed cycle

1-12 test cyp/600mcg

I have some letro...should I use it?

I'm lookin for clean gains here and I will front load, what ancillaries are best, I'm also considering finasteride to avoid hair loss and prostate problems. And i'll run clomid/nolva pct.

[kfrost06]

I like to run proviron with test, makes the test work better and helps prevent gyno.

[Dangerdan]

That looks good.

[Alpha_Romeo]

So no recommendations for ancillaries? And wtf about the proviron? Does'nt that go against what this board has been screamin about doing for a first cycle.

[kfrost06]

And wtf about the proviron? Does'nt that go against what this board has been screamin about doing for a first cycle.

^^^never heard that before. Maybe you could reference those threads. I always run proviron with test and with PCT.

[kfrost06]

Here's some recent threads discussing proviron, I didn't see any claiming to stay away from proviron unless you suffer from male pattern baldness.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...64#post3459264

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...light=proviron

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...light=proviron

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...light=proviron

[slick33158]

So your only going to run 6 milligrams of test per week?

[Alpha_Romeo]

First to the smart ass slick, you know what I meant. If you want to argue over minor inconsitencies; it's spelt you're, and that was an incomplete sentence.

As for my original comment I was referring to how everyone seems to recommend test only for a first cycle.

Also, how does one know if they are prone to MPB?

[SnaX]

First to the smart ass slick, you know what I meant. If you want to argue over minor inconsitencies; it's spelt you're, and that was an incomplete sentence.

As for my original comment I was referring to how everyone seems to recommend test only for a first cycle.

Also, how does one know if they are prone to MPB?

Calm down. The guy was just teasing.

Test only for a first cycle is perfectly fine. I ran test cyp at 400 mg/week for 14 weeks. My avatar is half way through my cycle. And if you have proviron and feel you can benefit from using it, then go ahead.

Sound gravy?

Peace bro!

[kfrost06]

You are completely correct in that test only is a good first cycle. Running it with proviron is not really considered stacking, IMO. Proviron, though classified as a steroid is not really a steroid. I know that does not make sense but it's true. Proviron on it's own is a poor androgenic or anabolic. I really like the proviron because it makes the test work better and it helps prevent gyno by inhibiting the aromitization of the testosterone.

As for MPB, if you are losing your hair or start losing your hair when taking a DHT like proviron means you have MPB. I, luckily do not suffer from this and have no problem when running DHTs. I hope this helps, GL.

[Alpha_Romeo]

I know he was just teasing i'm fine with that as long as he provided some help along with it or sensible input but shit like that always throws threads of track and they become very cluttered and conveluded.

I understand, that what Kfrost said would work for anticipating male pattern baldness, but it does'nt it defeat the purpose of learning how to avoid hair loss by instigating it? There must be better options than that....

[Dizz28]

I know he was just teasing i'm fine with that as long as he provided some help along with it or sensible input but shit like that always throws threads of track and they become very cluttered and conveluded.

I understand, that what Kfrost said would work for anticipating male pattern baldness, but it does'nt it defeat the purpose of learning how to avoid hair loss by instigating it? There must be better options than that....

You can get a good idea if you prone to it if any of the males on your mother's side of the family are balding. Although not a guarantee whether you are or aren't going to develope it, this should give you a good idea whether you should be careful or not.

No males on either side of my family have Male Pattern Baldness so it's not a concern for me and I have used DHT based compounds and also quite a bit of testosterone and have not noticed any permanent loss of hair.

Hope this helps
Dizz

[SnaX]

He's got a bit of a point. If other men in your family are experiencing hair loss, whether at an early age of later age, then I can understand using proviron.

Really, if you would like to take it to avoid any POTENTIAL side effects (balding in this case) then go right ahead. I don't see any harm in that.

Take care bro!

[perfectbeast2001]

proviron would be good and will actually reduce sides and possibly increase gains. If MPB is a family trait then look into the ancillaries needed to take along with cycle to prevent it.

[Alpha_Romeo]

I was wondering though, when taking a DHT based compound would taking a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor like fina/duta have a negligible effect, or would it still work?