second cycle ideas

[bpm1]

my first cycle was 500mg test cyp a wk. it went ok, i deff gained some lean muscle, how much i cant say as i have lost a good 30 lbs of fat since then and i was too heavy(fat wise) to really know what happened. ok so during the cycle i basically felt like shit the whole time, no energy, sooo lethargic, tired etc......so my determination is, test beats the hell out of me, and reading around it seems to affect some others the same.i dont have access to many compounds mainly test and deca. so my thought was to go for a cycle w/an hrt dose or so of test and about as much deca as is prudent,

so here it is

wks 1-14 test cyp 200mg a wk(every 4th day) i will frontload this
wks 1-12 deca 600-800mg a wk(every 4th day) should i frontload this?
10 mg nolva ed through-out cycle
im looking at running this until the gains stop but no longer than 14wks
what say you?

[Decoder]

Why cyp? you wouldnt perfer test e?

[bpm1]

i have access to both i guess, but from what i read they are both the same

[sci muscle]

The fact you had no energy has nothing to do with test. You were losing weight, your body was starving. I always feel like crap when I cut.

[Johny-too-small]

The fact you had no energy has nothing to do with test. You were losing weight, your body was starving. I always feel like crap when I cut.

WRONG.
1) He was not losing weight when he did that cycle.
2) Yes, a lack of energy has a lot to due with the Test, esp. if you're a little overweight to begin with. Your BP is elevated, and your body is in an active growing state. Typically, when on cycle, you train just a hair harder.

Nice try, though.

Anyway, back on topic:
Your cycle is fine and its okay to run deca w/ cyp. Yes, you can frontload the cyp and deca together and its a good idea. This will also shorten your cycle a week or two so that you can get to recovery. Both compounds are long ester and it might not be a bad idea to wait three weeks after your last cyp shot to begin pct. However, you can run nolva at 20mg/ed form last jab to pct. In addition, unless you have a specific need, Id save the nolva for pct and the time I just mentioned. You dont really need to run it thoughout your cycle. I think that running deca at 600 mg/ew will give you great gains since this is your 2nd cycle. Heck you could get good gains from as much as 400, imo.
Good luck.

[bpm1]

thanks johny, yea i was eating like crazy 4000-5000cals(semi-clean)until wk 8 of my cycle and actually lost 3 inches in my waist while gaining 12 pounds above the weight i started at.and not to knock u sci-muscle, i know u are speaking from ur experience ,but i have been cutting for 2 months now and i feel awesome, i never felt good again until my test levels went down. so as for pct u feel like nolva is enough? im still in my pct now and it is the anthony roberts pct,exemest,hcg,nolva and vit e. its worked awesome ive never lost my libido and my balls are back.
so its gonna be

test c 200mg a wk, frontloaded
deca 600mg a wk, frontloaded
nolva 10mg ed im very gyno prone(it flared up on my first cycle)
anthony roberts pct

i know the deca doesnt aromatise at all and with the test so low i prob dont need the nolva but i like safe over sorry.

[Johny-too-small]

Since youre using deca, then Id suggest not using nolva alone. Hooker's pct is good, stick with it.

[bpm1]

right on, i realised after i posted that u werent suggesting i use nolva alone for my pct, just to "save it" for my pct thanks alot bro!