My first injectable cycle - some confirmation please

[GymRatJames]

Hi,

Let me first just say that i have been hanging around on this site for about a month now, and have just registered so that i can post my first question. Now i fully expect to get beaten down and probably flamed but everyone has to take the plunge in the beginning i guess.

I have been reading and reading and reading loads of very useful and interesting material, some of it being a little over my head, but mostly valuable info. However the answers to a few of my Q's still illude me.

I am just coming to the end of a 9wk cutting cycle of Clen, T3, and Stanabol. After this is plan to leave it for a month or so to let my system recover. (During which time i'm getting married so i cant afford to pile on the weight anyway )

After i get back i plan to do my first injectable cycle, which up until about 6 months ago was going to be a simple DECA only 6 week stack. Since then i have been reading a lot of articals that suggest that a DECA only stack is not a good idea due to the problems with natual test levels being effected dramatically etc etc.

So then i get in to readin all about stacking with test, my first thought was Sustanon due to my previous studying and my wet behind the ear newbie'ness thinking 4 esters must be better than one. I have since been educated further by posts on this site, and my new way of thinking is test ethanate (single long ester)

So now my stack list looks like this

DECA durabolin
Testosterone ***ot - enanthate
Nolva
Clomid

My 6 week plan is attached as an word document for all those wishing to check it out for me. Any comments will be greatfully recieved and considered.

My simple stats just quickly are 100kg or 220lbs, i am 28 years old.


So my questions ... they mostly surround the preventative measures that i need to take to avoid getting bitch tits etc, and to stop my natural test levels dropping permenantly.

1) Am i right in thinking that the PCT clomid cycle will be sufficent after the cycle to return my test levels to normal?

2) Is Nolva the best thing i could be using during my cycle or would something like Proviron be better suited?

3) though i trust my knowledge so far this is uncharted territory for me, can anyone see any glaring mistakes with my whole plan?


I welcome any advice and comments.


Thanks

[Lexed]

300 mg of Clomid ?!?!??!

[GymRatJames]

Please excuse my lack of knowedge on this part, i base my amounts Clomid purely on the information give by Ron on this post

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=70741


My newbie'ness is showing i guess

[ant_8u]

I would not use Nolvadex with Deca
Nolvadex actually increases the number of progesterone receptors

Progesterone won't do you any harm on it's own
It needs to be in the presence of Estrogen for anything to happen

You are taking Test during your cycle
Some of this will aromatise into Estrogen

You will now have Estrogen in your system from the aromatised Test, and Progesteronic activity from the Deca, as well as an increased number of Progesterone receptors from the Nolvadex

If you were to use Aromasin and/or Proviron (aromatize inhibitors) instead of Nolvadex your Test will not aromatise

Since the Aromasin and/or Proviron will stop there from being any Estrogen present it doesn't matter if there is Progesteronic activity from the Deca (as there is no Estrogen present)

But i would still recommend the use of Vitamin B6 too (better safe than sorry)

[GymRatJames]

forgot to add the basics sorry

28 years old
6ft 1" tall
220lbs
B/F = 19.3
Working out for 1.5 years hard!


Thanks for any comments or suggestions

[GymRatJames]

I would not use Nolvadex with Deca
Nolvadex actually increases the number of progesterone receptors

Progesterone won't do you any harm on it's own
It needs to be in the presence of Estrogen for anything to happen

You are taking Test during your cycle
Some of this will aromatise into Estrogen

You will now have Estrogen in your system from the aromatised Test, and Progesteronic activity from the Deca, as well as an increased number of Progesterone receptors from the Nolvadex

If you were to use Aromasin and/or Proviron (aromatize inhibitors) instead of Nolvadex your Test will not aromatise

Since the Aromasin and/or Proviron will stop there from being any Estrogen present it doesn't matter if there is Progesteronic activity from the Deca (as there is no Estrogen present)

But i would still recommend the use of Vitamin B6 too (better safe than sorry)

Excellent solid information! Thanks very much!

[ant_8u]

just checked your attachment

cycle looks a little short considering the esters

do you know the concentration of your test and deca?
mg's per ml?

[ant_8u]

Maybe try this

AAS
Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg PW
Weeks 1-11 Deca 400mg PW

Ancillaries
Weeks 1-18 Proviron 50mg ED
Weeks 1-18 Aromasin 25mg ED
Weeks 1-18 Vitamin B6 200mg ED
Weeks 15-18 Nolvadex 20mg ED

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Cycle: http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle3.php
PCT: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758

[GymRatJames]

Maybe try this

AAS
Weeks 1-12 Test E 500mg PW
Weeks 1-11 Deca 400mg PW

Ancillaries
Weeks 1-18 Proviron 50mg ED
Weeks 1-18 Aromasin 25mg ED
Weeks 1-18 Vitamin B6 200mg ED
Weeks 15-18 Nolvadex 20mg ED

Is there any alternative for Aromasin? I'm having great difficulty having it shipped to the UK!

[ant_8u]

letro, liquidex, proviron

[GymRatJames]

Would it maybe an idea to trade off the DECA for Equipoise? Granted my gains wouldnt be so big but maybe it would be easier as far as preventative measures go?

Thanks for all your help so far though

[deznuts]

Why were you only going to run the cycle for 6 weeks? I would go with Ant 8u's cycle.

[GymRatJames]

just checked your attachment

cycle looks a little short considering the esters

do you know the concentration of your test and deca?
mg's per ml?

The test is 250mg/ml

The Deca is 200mg/bottle

[GymRatJames]

letro, liquidex, proviron

Thanks all your much needed and valuable advice on my stack. Just what i was after.

I have now increased my cycle length and got all i need to keep me good afterwards. Thanks ant_8u

[mark44x]

sorry this is alittle of the subject..but i personally am thinking of going on the clen and t-3.. i actually have already ordered it..i am about the same height and weight as you.. 6'1 125 pds... how much weight did u lose of the clen and t-3..and wat were ur side effects of it and did u lose any muscle?? thanks

[Huckster]

sorry this is alittle of the subject..but i personally am thinking of going on the clen and t-3.. i actually have already ordered it..i am about the same height and weight as you.. 6'1 125 pds... how much weight did u lose of the clen and t-3..and wat were ur side effects of it and did u lose any muscle?? thanks

Bro, 125lbs @6'1??? and considering clen?

[mark44x]

haha lol..that was pretty funny..i meant 215

[GymRatJames]

Hi,

I went from 106kg (233lbs) down to 99kg (218lbs) So not a bad drop i didnt think. my diet was solid as well though.