Potential Reformulation of MyoGenX or CyoGenX

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I'm thinking of adding Garlic, in a very potent, highly concentrated amount. What do you guys think?

Garlic (and I've known this for a VERY long time) helps maintain ITT (Intratesticular testosterone). Same as HCG.

Which product would you guys rather see me add it to, if either?

Your input is important, because I suspect much of my sales come from this site, and not from the forums anywhere else...

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J Nutr. 2001 Aug;131(8):2150-6. LinksGarlic supplementation increases testicular testosterone and decreases plasma corticosterone in rats fed a high protein diet.

Oi Y, Imafuku M, Shishido C, Kominato Y, Nishimura S, Iwai K.
Laboratory of Nutrition Chemistry, Faculty of Home Economics, Kobe Women's University, Suma-ku, Kobe 654-8585, Japan. [email protected]
The effects of garlic supplementation on protein metabolism were investigated by measuring testis testosterone and plasma corticosterone in rats fed diets with different protein levels. In Experiment 1, rats were fed experimental diets with different protein levels (40, 25 or 10 g/100 g casein) with or without 0.8 g/100 g garlic powder. After 28 d of feeding, testosterone contents in the testis were significantly higher and plasma corticosterone concentrations were significantly lower in rats fed 40 and 25% casein diets with garlic powder than in those fed the same diets without garlic powder. Urinary excretion of 17-ketosteroid (an index of testosterone), nitrogen balance and hepatic arginase activity were significantly higher in rats fed the 40% casein diet with garlic powder than in the 40% casein controls. In Experiment 2, the effect of diallyldisulfide (a major volatile sulfur-containing compound in garlic) on the secretion of luteinizing hormone (LH) from the pituitary gland, which regulates testosterone production in the testis, was investigated in anesthetized rats. Plasma LH concentration increased dose ***endently after administration of diallyldisulfide (P < 0.01, r = 0.558). These results suggest that dietary supplementation with 0.8 g/100 g garlic alters hormones associated with protein anabolism by increasing testicular testosterone and decreasing plasma corticosterone in rats fed a high protein diet.
PMID: 11481410 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[spywizard]

I am familiar with the benefits of garlic, only concern is any associated taste, smell and issues with breath..

But i like the idea..

[vitor]

Why not add Garlic in both?

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We can overcome the "garlic breath" issue...

As to why we won't put it in both, the answer is that I don't wanna overlap ingredients.

[goose]

Im going to say myo here,as Its become a products I use full time.Been thinking of garlic for some time,its has been shown to lower total cholesterol levels and reduce platelet aggregation in the blood which can contribute to heart disease, as well as helping to lower blood pressure,perfect for a AAS user like me.I like the way you try and improve your products.....Good man.....

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I was thinking the Myo too...I was wondering what you guys thought...

[spywizard]

Successful masking or nutrilization of the breath/sweat effects will make it a great addition...

Myogenx for sure, as stated earlier.. will be using it for longer periods of time, thus more benefit..

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Successful masking or nutrilization of the breath/sweat effects will make it a great addition...

Myogenx for sure, as stated earlier.. will be using it for longer periods of time, thus more benefit..

Let me know when you are running out, by the way.

I need to figure out the breath thing. I know we can make it so that it doesn't mess with that...

[Primalinstinct]

No garlic, please.

Natural garlic intake is just one enjoyable Italian or Greek dinner away. Everyone reacts different to garlic in reference to odor of the breath and body. Don't just say, "you can take care of it", Anthony. That is an ignorant statement.

My vote is no and will discontinue the use of Myo. if you add it.

I have been recommending it up until now.

[Primalinstinct]

I have not been able to find a post where you recommend dosage if you combine both Cyogenx and Myogenx together in a PCT, for example. 12 caps each day of the Myogenx 2.0 version did work good for me (200lbs) in recovery. Continuing my PCT, I am about to start my second bottle of Myogenx and I will be concentrating on the tolerance building aspect of this herb. My first bottle of Cyogenx is on the way.

Thank you in advance.

[vitor]

Im going to say myo here,as Its become a products I use full time.Been thinking of garlic for some time,its has been shown to lower total cholesterol levels and reduce platelet aggregation in the blood which can contribute to heart disease, as well as helping to lower blood pressure,perfect for a AAS user like me.I like the way you try and improve your products.....Good man.....

Agreed, putting it in myo would be my choice to.

So you use myo on AAS cycles to goose?

[ebjack]

put some winny in the myogenx

[goose]

Agreed, putting it in myo would be my choice to.

So you use myo on AAS cycles to goose?

I dont like HCG,never like it.Used myo only once during my last cycle,Had a 19 nor in the cycle too,my testicles were in good shape during cycle.For me myo is more important off cycle and during cycle as my PCT is so solid,I dont really need myo,but still include it Sick

[Swifto]

I'm thinking of adding Garlic, in a very potent, highly concentrated amount. What do you guys think?

Garlic (and I've known this for a VERY long time) helps maintain ITT (Intratesticular testosterone). Same as HCG.

Which product would you guys rather see me add it to, if either?

Your input is important, because I suspect much of my sales come from this site, and not from the forums anywhere else...

This is interesting stuff.

Do you know what ITT specifically does Anthony? I've never been able to find a solid reason what it does. I was under the impression it maintains testicular mass, but not function?

[richard_orchard]

I would vote for Myo...

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I have not been able to find a post where you recommend dosage if you combine both Cyogenx and Myogenx together in a PCT, for example. 12 caps each day of the Myogenx 2.0 version did work good for me (200lbs) in recovery. Continuing my PCT, I am about to start my second bottle of Myogenx and I will be concentrating on the tolerance building aspect of this herb. My first bottle of Cyogenx is on the way.

Thank you in advance.

I'd go with 12 caps of myo to 6 of the Cyo. I think that's probably an ideal dose for your bodyweight.

[Swifto]

Seriously, does anyone know what ITT (Intra-Testicular Testosterone) does?

Yet, they want to increase it in the supplement they take?!

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This is interesting stuff.

Do you know what ITT specifically does Anthony? I've never been able to find a solid reason what it does. I was under the impression it maintains testicular mass, but not function?

Yes, but it's been highly correlated with function as well. As an example, when you increase ITT, even when your natural test is suppressed, normal spermatogenesis is maintained.

[Schmidty]

If u can get rid of tthe breath issue then I say go for it. Ill try it either way

[breacherup]

I'd prefer a hi potency garlic supp., (that doesn't wreck one's breath) that can be used with either cyo or myo or on it's own...

[Giants11]

Anthony, i believe there are constituents in Garlic that also increase NE levels. That could make this a decent recomp supplement as well.

[JROKK26]

I vote Myo as well.
Little off topic but Anthony want do you think about running Myo with Fina at 14 caps/day?? I'm currently down to 186lbs. Sorry didn't mean to HJ the thread.

[Swifto]

Yes, but it's been highly correlated with function as well. As an example, when you increase ITT, even when your natural test is suppressed, normal spermatogenesis is maintained.

So HCG does have some benifit when shutdown from androgens then?

But, in another thread didnt you state HCG ****ed up the sperm but maintained them? Whats the point in maintaining it if there "****ed up"?

[perfectbeast2001]

sounds good, what sort of dose of garlic are we talking for a 200 pound guy?

[number twelve]

sounds good, what sort of dose of garlic are we talking for a 200 pound guy?

i would like to know that too, and would like to see garlic added to myo

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So HCG does have some benifit when shutdown from androgens then?

But, in another thread didnt you state HCG ****ed up the sperm but maintained them? Whats the point in maintaining it if there "****ed up"?

What's the point? Because you guys seem to want something to maintain ITT, so if I can make MyoGenX do it, then I can sell more, and suggest it instead of HCG. That equals more sales.

I'm considering it, based on what steroid users claim to be using HCG for, and that's it...just to sell more, and offer it in lieu of HCG.

I'm pretty responsive to trends, and don't mind altering products if you guys would buy it (more of it, or be more likely to suggest it) with new formulations.

[Swifto]

What's the point? Because you guys seem to want something to maintain ITT, so if I can make MyoGenX do it, then I can sell more, and suggest it instead of HCG. That equals more sales.

I'm considering it, based on what steroid users claim to be using HCG for, and that's it...just to sell more, and offer it in lieu of HCG.

I'm pretty responsive to trends, and don't mind altering products if you guys would buy it (more of it, or be more likely to suggest it) with new formulations.

That was an honest response.

But could one really suggest Garlic instead of HCG during a cycle?

[Booz]

i like the idea of adding Garlic,havent tried your products at all AR but i am a strong user of Garlic for the obviouse benefits.....
adding this can only benefit your product..........................

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That was an honest response.

But could one really suggest Garlic instead of HCG during a cycle?

Sure. If they do the same thing, and I can get some numbers on each of them, and I figure out a dose of garlic that will equal the ITT response you get from 500iu HCG, then why not?

Also....remember to take vitamin E with your HCG.

[Swifto]

Sure. If they do the same thing, and I can get some numbers on each of them, and I figure out a dose of garlic that will equal the ITT response you get from 500iu HCG, then why not?

Also....remember to take vitamin E with your HCG.

I'm not against the idea. Infact, if the numbers are correct, I'd definitely be all for it.

But why not get some cheap garlic supp and do it yourself though?

But I mean....If your using HCG anyhow to maintain natural testosterone levels, I dont think garlic (In Myo or not) would be needed at all.

I guess it comes down to whether one wants to maintain ITT or not? Thats all.

[Kaioken]

want to try CyoGenx and MyoGenX when I easy off the cycle throttle soon

will it help with those on HRT?

[Primalinstinct]

In regards to Cyogenx:

Why not enhance or elaborate the liver support aspect since your typical customer is doing so already.

Here are some items I found listed on a typical bottle or treatment for the liver:


Selenium (L-selenomethionine)
Milk Thistle Seed p.e. (80% silymarin)
Phosphatidyl Choline (soy lecithin)
Dandelion Root p.e.(4:1 extract)
L-Methionine
L-Taurine
NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine)
Alpha Lipoic Acid *
Artichoke Leaf p.e.(4:1 extract/2%cynarin)
Green Tea Leaf p.e.(50%polyphenols)
Tumeric Root p.e. (95% curcumin)
Belleric myrobalan fruit (Terminalia bellerica)
Boerhavia diffusa root & herb
Eclipta alba root & herb 4.5% waldelactones
Tinospora cordifolia stem
Andrographis paniculata leaf p.e. tt(10% andrographolides)
Picrorhiza Kurroa root

Just a thought.

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I vote Myo as well.
Little off topic but Anthony want do you think about running Myo with Fina at 14 caps/day?? I'm currently down to 186lbs. Sorry didn't mean to HJ the thread.

The Myo might help stave off inhibition...a bit...

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Don't just say, "you can take care of it", Anthony. That is an ignorant statement.

My vote is no and will discontinue the use of Myo. if you add it.

I have been recommending it up until now.

It's so ignorant that we've already solved the issue. The solution is to make a liquid cap with (liquid) Lemon Oil as the solvent/filler, and suspend a smaller amount of (solid) Garlic Extract in the Lemon oil. The lemon will overpower the garlic smell and cancel it out if we use the right amounts of each.

Just an FYI for you.

[Primalinstinct]

It's so ignorant that we've already solved the issue. The solution is to make a liquid cap with (liquid) Lemon Oil as the solvent/filler, and suspend a smaller amount of (solid) Garlic Extract in the Lemon oil. The lemon will overpower the garlic smell and cancel it out if we use the right amounts of each.

Just an FYI for you.

Sorry, Anthony. I am a customer of yours but I still disagree.

I was aware of the lemon method from past research of mine. I have taken many different "odorless" garlic products over the years and have always resolved to stopping because of odor issues. Being a single guy, I guess I am very aware of my "pheromone" situation. You feel me, bro?

It seems you have support from others on your idea. Good luck on what you decide. I will have to bow out gracefully if you do include it in the future.

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Sorry, Anthony. I am a customer of yours but I still disagree.

I was aware of the lemon method from past research of mine. I have taken many different "odorless" garlic products over the years and have always resolved to stopping because of odor issues. Being a single guy, I guess I am very aware of my "pheromone" situation. You feel me, bro?

It seems you have support from others on your idea. Good luck on what you decide. I will have to bow out gracefully if you do include it in the future.

I'm not reformulating anything. But I don't think the problem is unresolvable. I told Nelson Montana (another person who designs supps for Protein Factory) that he may want to create a forumula for AAS-Cycle support and include Garlic and LCLT (to upgrade androgen receptors), and some other stuff.

I'm done with the supplement world after PyroGenX. It's boring to me already, and I would rather go into something else now.

[violator1]

I would vote myo as well, but maybe we should find out if one ingredient would negate the effects of the other? If they end up having a synergisitc effect, BRING IT ON!!!

[K.Biz]

I'm not reformulating anything. But I don't think the problem is unresolvable. I told Nelson Montana (another person who designs supps for Protein Factory) that he may want to create a forumula for AAS-Cycle support and include Garlic and LCLT (to upgrade androgen receptors), and some other stuff.

I'm done with the supplement world after PyroGenX. It's boring to me already, and I would rather go into something else now.

Like....? Are you going to invent a new steroid? that would be bad ass haa

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WHO KNOWS? Maybe I'll get a 9-5 to pass the time.