Test prop, NPP, and ?

[SMCengineer]

My stats:
Age: 23
Weight: 220
Height: 6'0
Body fat: 14-15%
Training Experience: 5 years
Cycle Experience: One cycle of test @ 500mgs and dbol @ 30mgs (as kickstart) for 12 weeks. I gained 31lbs on this cycle and kept 26lbs.
Goals: 15 (or more) keepable pounds

My cycle:
Week 1-4: Dbol @ 30-40mgs/day or Anadrol @ 100mgs/day (need opinions)
Week 1-8: Test Prop @ 75mg/ed
Week 1-8: NPP @ 75mgs/ed
PCT:
Week 9-14(or until I feel I'm recovered): Nolva @ 20mgs/day
Week 9-13(or until I feel I'm recovered): Aromasin @ 12.5-25mgs/day
Week 9-11: HCG @ 500iu/day

Questions/comments:
1) This will be a bulking cycle.
2) I'll be starting around the end of August.
3) I didn't like the long recovery of the 12 weeker, which is why I chose to run an 8 weeker. I hope I can handle the prop.
4) I'm not sure whether to run dbol or anadrol. I figure anadrol might be better, but I don't have any experience with it to know. From what I researched, the combination of the test, 19nor, and DHT derivative creates a good synergy, hence the anadrol. Any opinions?
5) I'm still working out my PCT. I have no experience with HCG, but I figure it will go good with aromasin and nolva.


Feel free to criticize where needed.

[PROTEINSHAKE]

if you are bulking.....why test prop(short ester) & NPP (short ester)?? why not test e & deca..... less injections. I dont understand, please explain..

[SMCengineer]

Simply because I didn't like the longer recovery time that occurs with test e and I have yet to try deca, but I would assume an even longer recovery time with deca added. With the shorter cycle and short esters I figure it will be an easier recovery. I'm not fully done with long esters, but I want to experiment with shorter cycles first and if I don't like it I can always revert back to a standard cycle like test/deca.

[PROTEINSHAKE]

all due respect bro... NPP IS DECA..... fast acting deca...

[SMCengineer]

all due respect bro... NPP IS DECA..... fast acting deca...

I know, but it's a short estered version. Hence a shorter cycle.

[PROTEINSHAKE]

test is test ,deca is deca man....if you are bulking, the vast majority will use long esters...no need for all the jabs when bulking ....your recovery will be virtually the same provided your pct is correct. cutters=short esters
bulkers=long esters... thats a "basic" rule.... but if you want to jab more often....go for it...good luck bud.

[SMCengineer]

test is test ,deca is deca man

Very true. However, the difference between Deca and NPP is that the longer ester of Deca will linger in your system longer than NPP making the recovery longer and more difficult. Also with Deca you are on for a longer period of time (12 weeks is about normal while it's 6-8 with NPP) so your shut down for that much longer. The longer your shut down the harder it will be to recover no matter how good your PCT is.

With that said, I am still contemplating on running the Test E and Deca cycle because it is a simple and effective cycle.

[PROTEINSHAKE]

i understand what you are saying....i dont completely agree, but its fine doing it your way.. suggestion----why not shorten it up even more, & up the doseages a bit.
more of a blitz type cycle for 6 weeks... just an idea.

[SMCengineer]

i understand what you are saying....i dont completely agree, but its fine doing it your way.. suggestion----why not shorten it up even more, & up the doseages a bit.
more of a blitz type cycle for 6 weeks... just an idea.

Yeah, I was also thinking about that as well. How do you feel about those types of cycles? Do they work for you?

[Kratos]

test is test ,deca is deca man....if you are bulking, the vast majority will use long esters...no need for all the jabs when bulking ....your recovery will be virtually the same provided your pct is correct. cutters=short esters
bulkers=long esters... thats a "basic" rule.... but if you want to jab more often....go for it...good luck bud.

who made up that silly rule?

[TallMan]

NPP sounds a lot more appealing than Deca to me!
Look at the lost time using deca, about 4 weeks to kick in and 4 weeks to get out of your system.

[Mista Massive]

who made up that silly rule?

i agree 1000%

where does it say that you have to utilise long esters for bulking. utter rubbish.

short esters = short cycles = quicker recovery IMO.


to the guy who started the thread: good looking cycle. i myself am utilising the exact same compounds but mine will be a 6 weeker like this:

week 1-4 dbol @ 30-40mg/day
week 1-6 test prop @ 100mg/day
week 1-6 NPP @ 75mg/day

[scaramouche]

i would drop the dbol as uve got 2 short esters no need to kickstart and run prop & npp for 10 weeks 8 is too short for a bulker imo but thats just me,the short ester cutter rule is for those who have an issue with water like competetive bb's but seems to have been universaly adopted regardless

[Schmidty]

test is test ,deca is deca man....if you are bulking, the vast majority will use long esters...no need for all the jabs when bulking ....your recovery will be virtually the same provided your pct is correct. cutters=short esters
bulkers=long esters... thats a "basic" rule.... but if you want to jab more often....go for it...good luck bud.

Why? IOm using all short esters in my lean bulker and its going great.