help with cycle please

[rampage12]

ok this will be my last post bout my cycle
im debating between 2 cycles need opinions on witch would give me most gains, which give lean gain, and strength, and keep most after cycle is over with which one? 6'0 185 26yrs

cycle 1
week 1-10 sust 750mg
week 1-6 dbol 40mg ed

cycle 2
week 1-10 sust 500mg
week 1-8 deca 300mg
week 1-5 dbol 40mg ed

pct clomi/L-dex

[will_work]

cycle 2 looks good 2 me bro i would go 10 weeks of test 10 weeks of deca 6 weeks of d-bol and i would get some Nolvadex 20mg (if needed) once a week after your done with your cycle....up the Nolvadex to 40mg for 4 weeks....sorry i dont know to much about clomi- iv never tryed it. hope i was some help and good luck! bro

[Amorphic]

My suggestion

cycle
week 1-14 Test E 500mg/w
week 1-12 deca 400mg
week 1-4 dbol 40mg ed

Arimidex at .5mg ed throughout cycle, with letro on hand just in case.

PCT nolva/aromasin/hcg

[nyjetsfan86]

My suggestion

cycle
week 1-14 Test E 500mg/w
week 1-12 deca 400mg
week 1-4 dbol 40mg ed

Arimidex at .5mg ed throughout cycle, with letro on hand just in case.

PCT nolva/aromasin/hcg

i like this cycle better than the other 2

[Amorphic]

cycle 2 looks good 2 me bro i would go 10 weeks of test 10 weeks of deca 6 weeks of d-bol and i would get some Nolvadex 20mg (if needed) once a week after your done with your cycle....up the Nolvadex to 40mg for 4 weeks....sorry i dont know to much about clomi- iv never tryed it. hope i was some help and good luck! bro

not very good suggestions imo. Test needs to be run longer than deca to let the deca metabolites clear so that when you stop the test you arent being suppressed by deca. deca should be run for 12 weeks to maximize gains, 6 weeks of dbol is too long. You also made no mention of AIs for during cycle, as he is planning on running a 19nor and test base, there will be a need for this.

I adressed these issues in my cycle post above.

[nyjetsfan86]

not very good suggestions imo. Test needs to be run longer than deca to let the deca metabolites clear so that when you stop the test you arent being suppressed by deca. deca should be run for 12 weeks to maximize gains, 6 weeks of dbol is too long. You also made no mention of AIs for during cycle, as he is planning on running a 19nor and test base, there will be a need for this.

I adressed these issues in my cycle post above.

yea try not to give bad advice, research some stuff before you give someone advice

[rampage12]

i dont want to do a cycle for 14 weeks, and i like sust better than test eth
i guess i could do 500mg sust,400mg deca and 40mg dbol? would spliting them up into 3 shots per week work? and what do most deca vials come in 100mg/ml or 200mg/ml

[football2007]

not very good suggestions imo. Test needs to be run longer than deca to let the deca metabolites clear so that when you stop the test you arent being suppressed by deca. deca should be run for 12 weeks to maximize gains, 6 weeks of dbol is too long. You also made no mention of AIs for during cycle, as he is planning on running a 19nor and test base, there will be a need for this.

I adressed these issues in my cycle post above.

Dbol for 6 weeks is not too long. I've ran it and BW came back fine. AI's will prolly be a good idea, prolly letro if deca is being used. Test/deca can flare gyno pretty quickly, ESP if you add dbol..look out

[rampage12]

well im really gyno prone had it once dont want it again so im gonna stick to week 1-12 sust 750mg
week 1-6 dbol 40mg
ive never done deca and im kinda afraid to use it
i should get good gaines with that

[taiboxa]

you can easily get away w/ 8 weeks of deca though you will have to frontload to make it worth your time...

there is no point to run sust over 500

i wouldnt exceed 7 weeks w/ dbol. though w/ a dosage as low as 40mg you could POSSIBLY exceed this w/o too many issues, but i wouldnt advocate it.

[rampage12]

ok so what about.....
week 1-12 test eth 600mg
week 1-10 deca 400mg
week 1-4 dbol 50mg ed
.5mg L-dex ed
clomi/l-dex pct


work?

[rampage12]

10 weeks of deca enough?

[Discipline_1]

make sure that if you are going to end up using deca then use L-dex or letro for gyno during the cycle, not nolva

[goalseeker]

thats looking better.....

[rampage12]

ok if i run clomi and hcg as pct what should amounts be?
week 1-2 clomi 100mg/ hcg 4500biu
week 3-4 clomi 50mg

[rampage12]

ok the site im ordering from doent have hcg what else could i run with clomid for my pct? and dosage please?

[Amorphic]

ok the site im ordering from doent have hcg what else could i run with clomid for my pct? and dosage please?

dude there is a WHOLE FORUM on this, like i said earlier with pcts all layed out and dosed, look in there.

[rampage12]

i have im lookin for opinions and what people used with there cycles, i found hcg but what are the doses of it and nolva and aromasin for pct? and should i run my l-dex all the way up to my pct? because i only have 80 day supply of it for a 84 day cycle not counting 18 day skip between pct?

[rampage12]

ok so should i go ahead and run deca for 12 weeks instead of 10 would i really see that big of a difference? will .5mg of arimedex be enough for gyno sides? and is 2ml the max for an arm or but shot or could ido up too 2.5 ml?

[Big]

ok so should i go ahead and run deca for 12 weeks instead of 10 would i really see that big of a difference?

you need to run test for a couple weeks longer than deca

[Amorphic]

not very good suggestions imo. Test needs to be run longer than deca to let the deca metabolites clear so that when you stop the test you arent being suppressed by deca. deca should be run for 12 weeks to maximize gains, 6 weeks of dbol is too long. You also made no mention of AIs for during cycle, as he is planning on running a 19nor and test base, there will be a need for this.

I adressed these issues in my cycle post above.

Rampage do you even bother reading suggestions or do you only listen to people with green or red names?

[Big]

Rampage do you even bother reading suggestions or do you only listen to people with green or red names?

I was wondering that Amorphic, seemed like your suggestion went un-noticed. He mentioned extending the deca but not the test.

[Amorphic]

I'm just a lowly member

[rampage12]

know im listening to every one
i was wanting to do test for 12 and deca for 10 but will test 14 and deca for 12 really make that big of a difference? and about the cc question?

[Amorphic]

Deca should be run for 12 weeks due to the long ester, you will get better gains out of 12 weeks than 10. If you're a newb to injecting, dont inject your arms. Stick to your glutes and quads and maybe delts, making sure to rotate injection sites. 2cc in glues/quads is fine. You will experience some pain from the oil and virgin muscle, so inject slowly and properly.

[Amorphic]

In regards to your arimidex question, .5 of arimidex can be enough, but since you plan on running a 19nor like deca, i would get some letro on hand in case the arimidex isnt strong enough. if thats the case, you would stop with arimidex and run the letro at .25mg ed throughout your cycle

[rampage12]

ok nother question
do i run the ameridex all the way up too my pct or stop it at end of cycle?
ok this looks good to me.....
week 1-14 500mg test eth
week 1-12 400mg deca
week 1-4 50mg d bol ed
l-dex .5mg ed
pct... nolva 20mg, aromasin25mg, hcg 4000 iu 4weeks.....
and im not newb for injects but for arms yes...where do u inject it ..or is there a post already somewhere?

[Amorphic]

run it till the end of your cycle, then start wth your pct compounds 1 week after the last test e injection. PCT looks good. Im not sure about where to inject in arms, i just wouldnt do it at all.

[rampage12]

ok well im 6'0 185 26 not sure of bf but i have good diet and taking in 4000cal and 250 protein good solid work out... so u think i can make it too 205 or so on this cycle and keep at least 50 % of it? where is your delt?

[Big]

where is your delt?

delt=shoulder

[rampage12]

that is what i was refering to when i was saying arm where in your delt do u put it ive done only in my ass

[rampage12]

In regards to your arimidex question, .5 of arimidex can be enough, but since you plan on running a 19nor like deca, i would get some letro on hand in case the arimidex isnt strong enough. if thats the case, you would stop with arimidex and run the letro at .25mg ed throughout your cycle

could i bump up the ameridex to 1 mg ed or 1.5 if .5 isnt working cause im ready to start cycle i have verything but letro i have ameridex

[Amorphic]

could i bump up the ameridex to 1 mg ed or 1.5 if .5 isnt working cause im ready to start cycle i have verything but letro i have ameridex

I would not. I would get the letro. You should make sure you have all bases covered in terms of avoiding gyno. If your arimidex doesnt hold its own and you start getting sides and have no letro, you're going to have the wrong kind of c cup. Letro lowers pgr so its a must as a backup for 19nor groups

[Amuuzeng]

Don't we have a PCT forum that addresses all this info? The thread is almost funny to read. Good info Amorphic/Ima...

[rampage12]

well that sux ill take my chances i guess or order it now and hope it doent take to long to come in cause im gonna start my cycle sunday i dont wanna wait for it

[Amorphic]

well that sux ill take my chances i guess or order it now and hope it doent take to long to come in cause im gonna start my cycle sunday i dont wanna wait for it

This is not the attitude to have when you are playing around with aas. You shouldnt be 'hoping' for it to come in on cycle if say you start getting gyno. The whole point is to be prepared for anything and have ALL ancillaries on hand

[rampage12]

yes i know but i dont want to waist 50 bucks either if i dont need to my wife is already mad at the amount ive spent, ive done a 10 week cycle of test cyp at 750 mg and 6 weeks of anadrol at 100mg with no anti est and had no probs....but i know what your saying..thanx for your advice its really appreciated

[rampage12]

ok so heres the final verdict...
week 1-14 test eth 600mg
week 1-12 deca 400mg
week 1-4 d bol 50 ed
anti estro l-dex .5mg/letro .25mg if i need it and order it on time
week 16-19 pct nolva 20mg/aromasin 25mg/ hcg 500iu
got all my essential supps and gonna intake 4500-5000 cal and 250gram pro
man im so ready hoping to gain 25lbs at least

[rampage12]

any one heard of igf? worth a hoot? was told to run it i n my pct? i like my pct the way it is u agree?

[Big]

any one heard of igf?