I think I'll be on Nova for life

[J-Dogg]

At least it is cheap.

I suffer from a little gyno from a tren cycle. I read some reports about Tamox being able to reverse gyno with some patients with natural gyno.

I take Nova for 3-5 weeks and it pretty much goes away. I mean it is still there but I feel comfortable taking off my shirt because it is so unoticable.

2-3 weeks after I don't take any though....it's back.

I found using 20mgs 3 times a day works the most effective. I'm thinking about just taking it for a year, 20mgs 3 times a day for 6 months and then down to 20mgs daily for the rest of the year.

What kind of side effects can it cause? From what I've ready just googling Tamox side effects it seems pretty suttle.

[takedownII]

nolva won't work for gyno from tren.....you'll need cabergoline (sp?)

[takedownII]

get some letrozole too

[Johny-too-small]

Have your tried letro? Its very powerful and may be able to reverse the gyno totally. I dont think nolva would be good for long term use like you stated. It potentially can pose some health issues. Good luck.

[bulldawg_28]

At least it is cheap.

I suffer from a little gyno from a tren cycle. I read some reports about Tamox being able to reverse gyno with some patients with natural gyno.

I take Nova for 3-5 weeks and it pretty much goes away. I mean it is still there but I feel comfortable taking off my shirt because it is so unoticable.

2-3 weeks after I don't take any though....it's back.

I found using 20mgs 3 times a day works the most effective. I'm thinking about just taking it for a year, 20mgs 3 times a day for 6 months and then down to 20mgs daily for the rest of the year.

What kind of side effects can it cause? From what I've ready just googling Tamox side effects it seems pretty suttle.

I believe someone posted in the steroid section that tamox actually is heptatoxic, and it can cause cancer. So it's probably not a good idea to run the stuff for an entire year.

[J-Dogg]

I did Letro for 2 months with no effect what so ever.

The nova apparently works on the tren gyno because it does almost disappear when I take it in higher dosage.

I could afford the operation to get it taken care of, but frankly almost all the pictures i've seen of post gyno operation nipples are indented at least a little. I'd rather them stick out a little than stick in a little.

To be honest I think there is a ton of wrong information out there about gyno and what works/does not.

I'll have to look into the shit causing cancer though! I've already had a dam mamogram!

[Merc..]

nolva increses PgR and can increase your chances of getting gyno when using a 19 nor like tren..

Its not a problem for everyone but nolva does increase PgR and can give more for the metabolites to bind to thus increasing your chances of getting gyno..

Merc.

[Merc..]

Hers part of one study that shows it does increase PgR ..


The PgR gene is an estrogen-regulated gene (34) , so drugs with estrogenic activity will increase its expression. Accordingly, tamoxifen has been shown to increase PgR levels (35) , whereas initial work on primary breast tumors found that a short-acting formulation of ICI 182,780 reduced PgR levels (30) , suggesting that it is devoid of estrogen-agonist activity and may have a different mechanism of action to that of tamoxifen. Additional evidence that ICI 182,780 and tamoxifen have different underlying modes of action comes from studies showing that tamoxifen-resistant tumors remain sensitive to ICI 182,780 treatment in vitro (18 , 19) , in vivo (36 , 37) , and in the clinic (38, 39, 40) .

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cg...ull/61/18/6739



Merc.

[Merc..]

Also check this thread out.. kratos posted some good studies ..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=316521


Merc.

[J-Dogg]

Good info Merc, wtf is ICI 182,780 though? 100 times more powerful than tamox and no increase of PgR?

[Merc..]

Good info Merc, wtf is ICI 182,780 though? 100 times more powerful than tamox and no increase of PgR?

Its Faslodex



Merc.

[J-Dogg]

Again, good info, i'll have to do some research on Faslodex. I'm so sick of looking down at this tit!

[Merc..]

Falsodex

(Originally posted on www.*****************.com)


Falsodex is an estrogen receptor antagonist, which has no agonist effects at all. What it does is downregulates Estrogen Receptors (kinda like how Clen DownRegulates your beta receptors....so you get decreased effects from the stuff). Basically, it binds to the Estrogen Receptor more strongly then Tamoxifen, but still has no estrogen agonist effects. Here's the interesting part:

The resultant downregulation of your Estrogen Receptors from the use of Falsodex results in decreased expression of the Progesterone Receptor as well! Tamoxifen, as we all know, can increase the sides from progesteronic drugs because of an increase in progesterone receptor expression. So you can take this stuff as both an anti-estrogen and an anti-progestin! No more buying Arimidex or whatever, and Bromocriptine! Sweet, huh?

But here's the part that really gave me a hard-on:

The stuff is administered via an IM injection of 250mgs once per month! And at that dose, it has have most if not all of the same estrogen lowering effects of 1mg/day of Arim or 2.5mgs per day of Letrozole, but has the added benefits of lowering progesterone receptor expression.

Enjoy, Kiddies...

References:
(Br J Cancer. 2004 Mar;90 Suppl 1:S15-8)
(Drugs. 2004;64(6):633-48.)
(J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2001 Dec;79(1-5):209-12)

[Amorphic]

good posts merc.

[takedownII]

I'm so sick of looking down at this tit!

[jnm]

this is a straight quote from Big Cat,
"when problems
such as gynocomastia occur during a cycle of steroids one will usually start
20 mg/day of nolva or 100 mg/day of Clomid straight away, in conjunction with
some Proviron or arimidex. The proviron or arimidex will actively reduce estrogen
while the Clomid or Nolvadex will solve your ongoing problem straight away.
This way, when use is discontinued there is no immediate rebound."

"Stacking and Use:



If problems of Gynocomastia or other estrogen related symptoms tend to pop
up during a cycle the use of 20-30 mg of Nolvadex or 100 mg of Clomid daily
should easily contain the problem, and be used until a few days after the problem
subsides. For best results and the least amount of problems upon cessation it
is best stacked with Proviron (50 mg) or arimidex (0.5 mg) for this duration
as well. Its not advised that these products be ran concomitantly with the steroid
for the entire duration of the stack, as this will reduce your gains. Instead
cease the usage of anti-estrogens once the problem is contained, and should
the problem resurface, simply recommence the use of the products in the same
manner as described above."

[Merc..]

this is a straight quote from Big Cat,
"when problems
such as gynocomastia occur during a cycle of steroids one will usually start
20 mg/day of nolva or 100 mg/day of Clomid straight away, in conjunction with
some Proviron or arimidex. The proviron or arimidex will actively reduce estrogen
while the Clomid or Nolvadex will solve your ongoing problem straight away.
This way, when use is discontinued there is no immediate rebound."

"Stacking and Use:



If problems of Gynocomastia or other estrogen related symptoms tend to pop
up during a cycle the use of 20-30 mg of Nolvadex or 100 mg of Clomid daily
should easily contain the problem, and be used until a few days after the problem
subsides. For best results and the least amount of problems upon cessation it
is best stacked with Proviron (50 mg) or arimidex (0.5 mg) for this duration
as well. Its not advised that these products be ran concomitantly with the steroid
for the entire duration of the stack, as this will reduce your gains. Instead
cease the usage of anti-estrogens once the problem is contained, and should
the problem resurface, simply recommence the use of the products in the same
manner as described above."

We are discussing using a 19 nor (tren , deca) with nolva .. So its progesterone related , although gyno needs estrogen , progesterone , and other mediators like gh and igf-1 to form..


Merc.

[Prada]

Id love to do that b*tch Nova.

[TEST_ME!]

Falsodex

(Originally posted on www.*****************.com)


Falsodex is an estrogen receptor antagonist, which has no agonist effects at all. What it does is downregulates Estrogen Receptors (kinda like how Clen DownRegulates your beta receptors....so you get decreased effects from the stuff). Basically, it binds to the Estrogen Receptor more strongly then Tamoxifen, but still has no estrogen agonist effects. Here's the interesting part:

The resultant downregulation of your Estrogen Receptors from the use of Falsodex results in decreased expression of the Progesterone Receptor as well! Tamoxifen, as we all know, can increase the sides from progesteronic drugs because of an increase in progesterone receptor expression. So you can take this stuff as both an anti-estrogen and an anti-progestin! No more buying Arimidex or whatever, and Bromocriptine! Sweet, huh?

But here's the part that really gave me a hard-on:

The stuff is administered via an IM injection of 250mgs once per month! And at that dose, it has have most if not all of the same estrogen lowering effects of 1mg/day of Arim or 2.5mgs per day of Letrozole, but has the added benefits of lowering progesterone receptor expression.

Enjoy, Kiddies...

References:
(Br J Cancer. 2004 Mar;90 Suppl 1:S15-8)
(Drugs. 2004;64(6):633-48.)
(J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2001 Dec;79(1-5):209-12)

merc this stuff sounds awesome!why is it you never hear of peeps using it?is it really expensive or impossible to get your hands on it?

[Merc..]

merc this stuff sounds awesome!why is it you never hear of peeps using it?is it really expensive or impossible to get your hands on it?

We where looking at the prices of it yesterday and yes it is very costly..



Merc.

[TEST_ME!]

We where looking at the prices of it yesterday and yes it is very costly..



Merc.

Thought there had to be a catch lol
Thanks bro

[Amorphic]

i wonder if the pros run falsodex