longest lasting gains???

[lil-SLIM]

ok what steroid has the longest lasting gains?

I know that everyone is different...diet...training...stats... But in your opinion if you hypothetically took the average guy from the gym and put him on a cycle of _________ he would be sure to keep those gains longer than if he had taken any other steroid.

what would you put in that blank?

[Dog-Slime]

I haven't used it yet (SOON) but I hear tbol gains are long lasting.

[Dizz28]

Just about everything will give you long lasting gains as long as you continue to work out afterwards and do a proper PCT

[Crest]

depends on your training diet etc its not the drugs you take that define how well your gains are kept, use the search button.

and how can you have 450 posts and come out with such a gay answer as i think tbol does lol comical

[Dog-Slime]

depends on your training diet etc its not the drugs you take that define how well your gains are kept, use the search button.

and how can you have 450 posts and come out with such a gay answer as i think tbol does lol comical

How can you not read the guys post about how he knows that diet and training are factors... Tbol no bloat and lean gains, very little shutdown. EASILY kept gains. Says it right in the profile

[Dizz28]

it's not a very reasonable question so I don't think it's going to get reasonable answers

[Renesis]

Well var also gives very good gains that are easy to maintain. Look at Capt. Doms var log.

[Dog-Slime]

Whats unreasonable about it? Most people do lose atleast a little of their gains between cycles, unless you are below your max genetic potential. I would think that with steroids like var or tbol that give lean gains and dont shut you down hard it would be much easier to keep the gains. Why is it so hard for people to accept that some steroids do burn fat and some steroids gains are more easily kept. Diet training diet training squawk squawk.

[deltaguy]

hey dude - var and tbol are good choices - but also deca is a good choice. run it for 26 weeks with test and i assure you that you will maintain the muscle mass you built from taking it. deca is proven to prevent wasting away in aids patience due to the nitrogen retention effects. additionally, there are no negative sides on the lipids and most importantly, it has been shown to positively impact the immune system in aids patience.

here are the references:

Metabolism. 1990 Nov;39(11):1167-9
Effects of nandrolone decanoate on bone mineral content R, Ri*** GA, Turchetti V, Vattimo A.).
Cancer Res 1978 Nov;38(11 Pt 2):4186-98
(Charts) from Minto et al
AIDS. 1996 Jun;10(7):745-52
Sattler et al. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 283: e1214-22
J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr Hum Retrovirol. 1999 Feb 1;20(2):137-46.

[Big]

deca/test for 26 weeks???

[bpm1]

deca/test for 26 weeks???

nah, just deca for 26wks, killer cycle IMO

[Dog-Slime]

hey dude - var and tbol are good choices - but also deca is a good choice. run it for 26 weeks with test and i assure you that you will maintain the muscle mass you built from taking it. deca is proven to prevent wasting away in aids patience due to the nitrogen retention effects. additionally, there are no negative sides on the lipids and most importantly, it has been shown to positively impact the immune system in aids patience.

here are the references:

Metabolism. 1990 Nov;39(11):1167-9
Effects of nandrolone decanoate on bone mineral content R, Ri*** GA, Turchetti V, Vattimo A.).
Cancer Res 1978 Nov;38(11 Pt 2):4186-98
(Charts) from Minto et al
AIDS. 1996 Jun;10(7):745-52
Sattler et al. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 283: e1214-22
J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr Hum Retrovirol. 1999 Feb 1;20(2):137-46.

How does it preventing wasting in ANY WAY effect what you keep AFTER you take it? Deca would prob be the top steroid I would choose for LOSING gains... Lots of water retention which makes weight drop when coming off and harsh shutdown. Guys are less motivated to workout and muscle just seems to more easily dissappear (for me atleast) when test levels are low.

[deltaguy]

what i am writing is deca will produce quality muscle mass if used properly e.g. along with a higher dose of test and running the test 2 weeks longer to allow the deca ester to clear and of course a proper pct... yes, you get bloated and bloat can happen from most steroid use but deca has been proven to build quality and retainable muscle mass due to the nitrogen retention. hence, aids patience maintained muscle mass while taking deca durabolin and were able to maintain it upon cessation (obviously, these guys weren't huge but it seems pretty self explanatory.

if you are losing more than bloat when completing a cycle of deca, your pct is not adequate or you didn't run the cycle properly.

[deltaguy]

deca/test for 26 weeks???

yeah, what is the problem with that. see my response regarding deca and it's nitrogen retention chracteristics. this is key to maintaining muscle mass after your cycle.

[Renesis]

Thats quite a while to shut down your body.

[deltaguy]

well, the keys are hcg while on (few weeks on - few weeks off, this alone will keep your boys functioning near normal and make sure you use it up until the last day before pct starts but not during pct), test dosages at least 100mgs higher than the deca dosages, run the test at least 2 weeks longer than the deca, aggressive 6 week pct with both clomid, nolva and aromasin

[Crest]

How can you not read the guys post about how he knows that diet and training are factors... Tbol no bloat and lean gains, very little shutdown. EASILY kept gains. Says it right in the profile

hehe eat my shorts burns

[the big lebowski]

and how can you have 450 posts and come out with such a gay answer as i think tbol does lol comical