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i have 16 months and life is better then it has ever been i also cycle and have a couple friends in the program that do to. For the people working a program what has your experience been with taking anabolic's in sobriety. i mean my sponcer know's but i am starting to get big and people are asking me how i do it i tell them eat and workout which is true because most people that ask are nowhere near being ready to take anabolics but what have u guys experiences been
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To quote the brilliant Penn Gillette, "12 step programs are bull$hit!".
.....and then there's this a$$hole....... lol, I love that show.
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Ever hear of called cross-addiction ? It’s where you trade one addiction for another so be careful. Just like you thought you had the first one under control you might think the same way here but in reality are getting out of control.
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Good call DSM4life.I am a friend of Bill W. and I did not do gear untill I was 11 Years sober. 1.It is not a mind altering substance 2.You must have a soild foundation I the program. 3.Ask your sponser before you do anything at this stage of sobrity.If you are doing gear and you have not told your sponser you have not been honest. And I quote ( Rarely have we seen a person fail who has throughly fallowed our path. Those who do not recover are people who not completly give them selfs to this simle program.)I have been sober for over 12 years PM I would love to talk.Originally Posted by DSM4Life
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your a funny guy
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yes my sponcer does know and has for my foundation i have gone threw the steps and know am out telling hopeless drug addicts and alcoholics that they never have a take another drink/drunk if they are willing to follow a few simple rules.(12 steps)
And has for the cross addiction thing man i was a raging junkie, bro i absolutly had to get it on, f#ck a job or anything even close to that, couldnt do it. Could i abuse juice Absolulty but u know what i have a power greater then myslef today and i dont confuse it with anabolocs.
Anyway really my question here is for anyone in the program meaning been through the steps and working with others what has your experience been.
And yes i will get back to u dupa95 thank you for the feedback.
Peace
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I understand where you are coming from and 16 months is great but far from saying your under control. The addiction is a disease and it’s a lifelong process trying to overcome it. I know a guy that was clean for 9 years and relapsed cause they said they fell into cross-addiction. He had a drinking problem and was doing really well into his 9th years sober. Started smoking weed because it was a different drug and wanted to stay clear of alcohol. One night got high and guess what? He had a drink that night. He is now back in recovery starting from square one.
Addition plays with the mind in a way most do not understand. I am also currently involved with a family member going through NA right now and i go to his meetings with him. So i have "experience."
I don't know you but all i am saying is be careful.
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im in recovery and i have been sober 3.6 years and i batteled it going drug to drug for years substituting till i realized any mind altering substance is bad for me.. it is very dangerous to let your mind tell you your under control any addict whether 10 days or 30 years has to know after you think you can control it where your mind is going next.. if you can control it you can do it........ dont get mind fuked... the one thing i have noticed from people with real long term sobriety is they seem just as scared of using now 30 years later as they did day one... a truer word has never been spoken an addicts mind works different it will take you bizarre places to try to get that high feeling again
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Honestly, thinking like this only helps an addict. The guy that relasped after 9 year was asked by another memeber, "It was 9 years how did you ever go back to drinking like you were." He said, it was 9 years and i thought i was under control. He then went on to tell this person that he now understands that he can no longer even have one drink for the rest of his life.
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wait a minute are u guys saying anabolics get u high?
there is know way i can use any substance that gets me high or drunk but for ME anabolics do neither. it is this simple for me if i dont remain connected with my higher power there is no if only when. and that said i am past trigger's either i have had the craving removed or i havent its that simple. with that said i see anabolic in the same class has nicotine has far has setting off the craving to get high or drunk.
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You aren't getting the same high but you are getting the high that most addicts crave, the release of dopamine in the brain.
Past the trigger in 16 months ?! I would take a few steps back man. I think you are getting a little ahead of yourself. I am not putting you down just trying to help you see the other side of the coin.
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with that said my main purpose TODAY is help my fellows and remain willing to change how i react to life. and look at my defects of character and ask for them to be removed. that said i am more of an addict/alcohalic TODAY then i was 16 months ago.
but let me get back to my QUESTION which is for people that have worked the step's and work with other addicts/alcohalic's who take anabolics in recovery what has been your experience
If u you want to talk about how anabolics get high i respect your opinion but please leave it for another thread. Because has far has i am conserned has long has i work a program i will be ok thats all i have today
Thank YOU
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dsm i think i misspoke i meant that the thinking i have it under control is dangerous, and i dont think u can ever think you past the trigger its a life long war not a short term battle
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bro the steroids dont release the dopamine the WORKINGOUT does. and by saying i am past trigger's means that it was never about trigger's i couldnt handle LIFE if i was conscience i wanted to get high. And that said if u are not in recovery PLEASE i am not HERE TO ARGUE WITH U THANK U FOR YOUR OPINION BUT I DID NOT START THIS THREAD TO ARGUE WITH U
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the other side of the coin says( to thine own self be true.)
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I am not coming at you in anyway. You said you no longer want my opinion and thats fine.
I agree 100% with you. You just knowing that fact for yourself is going to keep you on a nice sober path. Good luck.
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One day at a time that is and thank you
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no bro actually i enjoy your opinion and thank u for voicing on my thread
just wasnt wanting to agrue but i see where u are coming from please feel free to say whatever u feel
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DSM4life got some good things to say.
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not gonna lie i still can tell when my mind is trying to fuk with me... starting to w/o again aas/ being healthy thats what mainly keeps me sober that and the fam
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ive had the pit in my picture longer then i have had anything ever hes seen some rough times with me, him and i have eaten ramen noodles big red and doritoes many times,,,,, lol
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hes the one thing that loved me no matter what whenn i was single and going thru the bitches left and right i never felt lonely always had taz
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No hard feelings toward anyone just trying to help you guys out. I know first hand what you guys are going through so i can relate.
lol
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ive found out in my short time at this site there are many of us addicts that are clean
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Just for today I dont have to use. I had a thread about this a couple back in the lounge. Nice to hear about people clean and changing there way of life.
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Been cycling last few months. Sponsor knows, close friends know but thats it. I know that I need to mellow out when Im dreaming of AAS. Then theres a problem being obsessive and compulsive the same way. Not really anything bad going on with it. I basically got a bunch of people to cosign my bs. Somedays I feel torn about it. I can say well Im not getting high or drunk, but on the other hand its abstinence from all drugs. With exclusion to prescribed. Its really what answer you get from your hp and sponsor.
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I don't think you'll beleive me, but I'm in a 12-step program for liars.
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........liar
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def lying
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I think Tock just relasped
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Better him than me
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