Which cycle would you chose?

[Anty506]

I am about to get a mass cycle, and dont know which one I should go with.

Here are the two.

500 mg testosterone enanthate a week 1 - 10
400 mg Deca-durabolin a week 1 - 10
20 mg Nolvadex a day 1 - 13
Clomid at the end of the cycle

and

500 mg testosterone cypionate a week 1 - 10
400 mg Equipoise a week 1 - 10
40 mg Dianabol a day 1 - 5
20 mg Nolvadex a day 1 - 13
Clomid at the end of the cycle

Which cycle will get me the biggest?
Which would you chose and why?

Thanks,
Anthony

[Johny-too-small]

I am about to get a mass cycle, and dont know which one I should go with.

Here are the two.

500 mg testosterone enanthate a week 1 - 10
400 mg Deca-durabolin a week 1 - 10
20 mg Nolvadex a day 1 - 13
Clomid at the end of the cycle

and

500 mg testosterone cypionate a week 1 - 10
400 mg Equipoise a week 1 - 10
40 mg Dianabol a day 1 - 5
20 mg Nolvadex a day 1 - 13
Clomid at the end of the cycle

Which cycle will get me the biggest?
Which would you chose and why?

Thanks,
Anthony

You pct, if its clomid only, is horrible. Also, why 20 mg/ed nolva during cycle? Your first listed cycle is the best of the two, however, you need to end the Deca 2 weeks earlier or run the test 2 weeks longer.

If you run the 2nd listed cycle, you need to up the EQ to 600 mg/ew min. and run it at least 12-13 weeks. EQ sucks for mass, bro.

[3bd]

^Agreed. And you may want to consider adding the dbol to it as well.

[TEST_ME!]

Id add the dbol to the first cycle,extend the test by 2wks,lose the nolva because of the deca,replace it with .25mg ed of Adex.and do a sh!tload more reading on pct's

[TEST_ME!]

dam too slow

[TEST_ME!]

*sulking he throws his mouse against the wall,smashes his monitor and eats his keyword*

[will_work]

i would guess the 1 one,but you need to run test longer then deca and i would add dbol in the first one for the more mass....you need hcg too along with the nolva

[goalseeker]

*sulking he throws his mouse against the wall,smashes his monitor and eats his keyword*

......

[will_work]

lol..

[Anty506]

Ok, this is what I have

500 mg testosterone enanthate a week 1 - 12
400 mg Deca-durabolin a week 1 - 10
20 mg Nolvadex a day 1 - 13
Clomid at the end of the cycle

I know you guys said Clomid only was no good, so what else should I add?

I would have had dbol also, but I had did a dbol only cylce(i know bad idea) about a month ago..... so i have no more dbol

How much better would my gains be with dbol? Is it worth getting again to add to this cycle?

[neverenuff21]

Ive ran one similar to the first one but a tad different and with dbol. F-cking great. Long and slow yes. But I put on a ton of good weight.

In pct I like nolva, aromasin, HCG. Always worked for me. As for doses, your on your own, I dont know your past/current stats and history.

[Anty506]

Ive ran one similar to the first one but a tad different and with dbol. F-cking great. Long and slow yes. But I put on a ton of good weight.

In pct I like nolva, aromasin, HCG. Always worked for me. As for doses, your on your own, I dont know your past/current stats and history.

This is my first cycle(other than the dbol cycle idid)

What will happen if I only use nolva and clomid for pct?

Also, should I increase the nolva by 2 weeks also since I did it to my test and left everything else the same?

[perfectbeast2001]

This is my first cycle(other than the dbol cycle idid)

What will happen if I only use nolva and clomid for pct?

Also, should I increase the nolva by 2 weeks also since I did it to my test and left everything else the same?

your PCT may not be successful. Try looking at the anthony roberts PCT in my sig...

[Anty506]

your PCT may not be successful. Try looking at the anthony roberts PCT in my sig...

Thanks man!

And how does my cycle look?

Is it good?

[BigDog69]

As I recall you can't take Nov with deca due to the negative sides. If you are concerned about gyno take 5-10 mg ed of Aromasin. Also read the anthony roberts sticky on pct. Plus it sounds like you also may want to read up on proper dieting on a mass cycle.

good luck

[jcurse]

anthony roberts pct says hcg nolva and aromasin? it doesnt say anything about not using nolva with deca?

[BigDog69]

oh course it doesn't its an article on pct. I am talking about running Nov during a cycle of Deca. Anybody else want to back me up on this.

[Anty506]

should I just take the deca and test and then at end take nova and clomid?

[Anty506]

should I just take the deca and test and then at end take nova and clomid?

Anyone????

and also, Im not taking 400mg of deca/week, im taking 500mg...... cause each cc is 250 and I shot every wednesday and saturday.

[Dizz28]

500 mg testosterone enanthate a week 1 - 10
400 mg Deca-durabolin a week 1 - 10
20 mg Nolvadex a day 1 - 13
Clomid at the end of the cycle

Which cycle will get me the biggest?
Which would you chose and why?

Thanks,
Anthony

that would be my choice...might not be the best for you but if I had to choose one that would be it. Not nesassary to take the Nolva throughout the Cycle...keep it on hand though.

And how big you get on this will be primarily by your Diet, training and sleep

[hugovsilva]

Run an AI instead of nolvadex during cycle. Nolvadex increases PgR and that is a bad idea when running it along with 19nor's such as deca, because it increases the chances of gyno.

[Anty506]

Last night made my 3rd shot.

Is it to late?

That was the cycle I ordered from the site.... it was the mass cycle.

[dhriscerr]

I am about to get a mass cycle, and dont know which one I should go with.



500 mg testosterone enanthate a week 1 - 12
400 mg Deca-durabolin a week 1 - 10
.25 mg L-dex a day 1 - 12
20mg ed Nolva for 4-6 weeks, 25mg ed Aromasin 4-6weeks and (1000iu's eod HCG for 2 weeks) for pct
and



Thanks,
Anthony

The changes in red are what I would change myself.

[Anty506]

The changes in red are what I would change myself.

when should I start the nova?

[rampage12]

i would do 500iu eod not 1000iu...and you need to take deca for at least 12 weeks to get full amount of benefits..and im using arimedex at .25mg ed it works great

[legobricks]

This is something that Merc posted a couple days ago in regards to tren....

Its taken from the Tren profile but he cut this section out to discuss why novla is not a good idea while taking tren and I imagine deca would be the same....if not correct me.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199832


Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone. Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme, this enzyme reduces some steroid hormones into a more androgenic form, in trenbolones case however this does not matter, trenbolone boasts an androgenic ratio of 500, it can easily cause adverse androgenic side effects in any steroid.com members who are prone cases of hair loss, prostate enlargement, oily skin and acne have been reported. Unfortunately trenbolones potential negative side effects do not end there. Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone) (17). In sentitive steroid.com members this can lead to bloat and breast growth worse still, trenbolones active metabolite17beta-trenbolone has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor (PgR) that is actually greater than progesterone itself (18). No need to panic though, the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides. The use of a 19-nor compound like trenbolone also increases prolactin…. bromocriptine or cabergoline are often recommended to lower prolatin levels (20). Testicular atrophy (shrunken balls) may also occur; HCG used intermittently throughout a cycle can prevent this. (21) It is also wise for Tren users to closely monitor their cholesterol levels, as well as kidney function and liver enzymes, as Tren has the potential to negatively affect all of those functions. Trenbolone, being a powerful progestin, will also shut down natural testosterone production which even a relatively small dose and keep the testosterone level suppressed for an extended period of time, this can lower libido and cause erectile dysfunction (fina dick). It is essential that you always stack trenbolone with testosterone

[legobricks]

Ok here it is. It doesnt explain that nolvadex should not be used that I have seen unless i over looked it but it does explain that Deca is a progestin and so is Tren in which nolvadex should be no used. I also know that Tren and Deca are in their own world but very similar as they are both 19-nor compounds. Merc can you enlighten us?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199789

Now for the worst news: Deca is a progestin (as are all nandrolones), unfortunately; it happens to stimulate the progesterone receptor 20% as well as progesterone itself (3), and this opens the door for many possible unwanted side effects (water retention, acne, etc…). It must be noted that most of those are rare, though. This also may be the major reason that Deca is such a suppressive drug when it comes to your natural testosterone levels. We can see from the chart below that a simgle measly 100mg injection of Deca caused a total (100%) reduction of natural testosterone levels, and it took roughly a month to return those testosterone levels to baseline! All from 100mgs of Deca!

[legobricks]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...60#post3667060

read post #15.

[legobricks]

Run an AI instead of nolvadex during cycle. Nolvadex increases PgR and that is a bad idea when running it along with 19nor's such as deca, because it increases the chances of gyno.

Damn you, I missed this one... oh well, now they'll have the science behind why nolva is bad while using 19-nor compounds.

[graeme87]

i'd run deca more than 10 weeks and the test 1-2 weeks more than the deca

maybe deca for 12-13 and test for 14 weeks

[Anty506]

All I have is 20ml of deca and 24ml of test..........and the nova and clomid.

I really dont have much money for anything else after ordering that cycle.

I just dont want to be "messed up" off this cycle.

[snoogans]

i would do the one that gets me bigger... lol

[Anty506]

All I have is 20ml of deca and 24ml of test..........and the nova and clomid.

I really dont have much money for anything else after ordering that cycle.

I just dont want to be "messed up" off this cycle.

anyone?

With what I have now, when should nova start and etc.

[Anty506]

Today made 3 weeks I ahve been on the cycle.

When should I start the nova?

[Airnzah]

I am about to get a mass cycle, and dont know which one I should go with.

Here are the two.

500 mg testosterone enanthate a week 1 - 10
400 mg Deca-durabolin a week 1 - 10
20 mg Nolvadex a day 1 - 13
Clomid at the end of the cycle

and

500 mg testosterone cypionate a week 1 - 10
400 mg Equipoise a week 1 - 10
40 mg Dianabol a day 1 - 5
20 mg Nolvadex a day 1 - 13
Clomid at the end of the cycle

Which cycle will get me the biggest?
Which would you chose and why?

Thanks,
Anthony

I'd go for the 2nd.

But I'd run Test/Eq for 12 weeks, Dbol at 30-40mg/day for 4 weeks. and I'd go for both Nolva/Clomid for PCT. perhaps throw some Proviron ED for the whole cycle. IF, money aint an issue..

I think this'll get you from Jeckyll, to Hyde!!

Goodluck!

[Ni6tO_]

I am about to get a mass cycle, and dont know which one I should go with.

Here are the two.

500 mg testosterone enanthate a week 1 - 10
400 mg Deca-durabolin a week 1 - 10
20 mg Nolvadex a day 1 - 13
Clomid at the end of the cycle

and

500 mg testosterone cypionate a week 1 - 10
400 mg Equipoise a week 1 - 10
40 mg Dianabol a day 1 - 5
20 mg Nolvadex a day 1 - 13
Clomid at the end of the cycle

Which cycle will get me the biggest?
Which would you chose and why?

Thanks,
Anthony

IMO the 1st one will get you biggest, but you need better PCT

[farrebarre]

I am about to get a mass cycle, and dont know which one I should go with.

Here are the two.

500 mg testosterone enanthate a week 1 - 10
400 mg Deca-durabolin a week 1 - 10
20 mg Nolvadex a day 1 - 13
Clomid at the end of the cycle

and

500 mg testosterone cypionate a week 1 - 10
400 mg Equipoise a week 1 - 10
40 mg Dianabol a day 1 - 5
20 mg Nolvadex a day 1 - 13
Clomid at the end of the cycle

Which cycle will get me the biggest?
Which would you chose and why?

Thanks,
Anthony

i wouldnt choose either one of them, IMO 10 weeks is to short, id do atleast 12 weeks.

run test 1 or 2 weeks more than Eq or Deca, instead of nolva get ur hands on some arimidex or letro for during the cycle (ldex 0,25-0,5mg/day) and use the nolva+clomid for PCT

[dhriscerr]

when should I start the nova?

Just use it for PCT if your running l-dex during cycle you should be fine unless your gyno prone then get some letro

[Anty506]

Just use it for PCT if your running l-dex during cycle you should be fine unless your gyno prone then get some letro

thanks!