Tren A Vs Tren E

[shifty_git]

Am going to be using Tren for my next cycle in the new year, and although I know sides are less / easier to stop with Tren A ive gotta go with Tren E cause of my work situation. And if i do get the sides will just egt through it.

Ive read most guys do Tren A at 50mg ED as a starting dose, and read a few threads of guys doing Tren E at 300-400mg a week.

Is 300-400 a week excessive and likely to bring a lot of sides? (i know enth ester will bring more sides anyway at 2x per week injections due to fluctuations in levels)

When working them out the Tren A at 50mg ED the blood levels are at around the 200mg mark (Grapah A), yet 300mg of Tren E per week (x2 injections of 150mg) peaks right up at the 520mg mark (Graph B).

Graph A


Graph B


Yet taking only 150mg per week (x2 75mg injections) the average is around the 220mg mark, which just doesn’t sound right to me as a very low does compared to what people say?!!?



Is it cause of the ester? and only get benefits of around 70-75% of the hormone from enth esters compared with prop and ace esters?

Confused and would appreciate advice here guys.

Cheers.

[magic32]

Don't put too much stock into formula driven graphics because sometimes the equations are off. Using good old milligram/liter counting is far more accurate.

What's your cycle history?

[shifty_git]

hate bumping ma own threads (n never done it b4)

but....

bump (i feel the shame)

[shifty_git]

Yeah thats what i was thinking, am thinking of just going for 300mg and sticking on the safe side.
can always up it the time after if no probs.

Well last 2 cycles were:-

Weeks 1-12 Test 400mg,
Weeks 1-10 Npp 400mg-500mg
Weeks 1-5 Dbol 60mg Daily

This well be my 5th cycle.

Am thinking-
Weeks 1-12 Test E 400mg
Weeks 1-10 Tren E 300mg
Weeks 1-4 @ 9-12 Winny 60mg oral

Strong pct consisting of hcg, Nolva, Vit E, choice of letro and arimidex, and caber on hand.

[magic32]

You should be fine.
Tren sides are often overstated:

• There are a lot of possibilities, but most are rarely realized by bb'ers, and even fewer during a given cycle.
• Their intensity is generally tolerable with the most pronounced being trensomnia, lucid dreaming, hampered cardio output, nightsweating.

Personally, I've only had the dreaming which was great, and noticeably hindered aerobic training.

[sphincter]

You should be fine.
Tren sides are often overstated:

• There are a lot of possibilities, but most are rarely realized by bb'ers, and even fewer during a given cycle.
• Their intensity is generally tolerable with the most pronounced being trensomnia, lucid dreaming, hampered cardio output, nightsweating.

Personally, I've only had the dreaming which was great, and noticeably hindered aerobic training.

I agree with your statement about tren sides being overstated. I just used it in my last cycle at 100mg/ED tren ace and I LOVED it!! I'm pretty sure I'll be running it quite a bit from now on! My major sides noticed were increased insomnia and night sweating. I usually have insomnia anyway and I also already have bad/oily skin and constant sweating as well so I wasn't horribly concerned when they just got a little worse with the benefit of AWESOME pumps and gains!

[shifty_git]

300mg of Tren E a week ganna be a good dose to start at?

[magic32]

300mg of Tren E a week ganna be a good dose to start at?

It's decent, but with your experience you could easily go 4-500mgs, or just wait and increase as you outlined above.

Best to you.

[Ashop]

300-500mg wk depending on experince is good range to start. should be all you neeed.

[shifty_git]

Ganna go for a random 350mg lol - as works out a nice 50mg per day

Can always do more next time!

[bigpianoman]

not a good idea to run tren e for a first go. You don't know how your body and mind will react to it.

instead of being in a world of hurt for only 2 days(tren a to clear system) you will be in a world of hurt for a week or more with tren e.

then again your running a pretty low dose, so you should be fine.

[shifty_git]

not a good idea to run tren e for a first go. You don't know how your body and mind will react to it.

instead of being in a world of hurt for only 2 days(tren a to clear system) you will be in a world of hurt for a week or more with tren e.

then again your running a pretty low dose, so you should be fine.

Well 350mg per week, so 50mg per days is lower end, but most seem to say a good starting point....

And people say they get weaker similar nor-19 sides from deca and npp, and never had them myself so hoping it will be ok. And as stated in an earlier post, very hard to do ed or eod jabs cause of my work schedule next year.

Am very mild mannered, so increased aggression and anxiety should still be acceptable levels... and my doc is happy to let me have sleeping tabs if insomnia is 2 harsh... so thinking im covered even for tren E.

[green22]

Ive had good results with E at 400mg per week.

[Booz]

i do not see the need to use anything more than 300mg weekly of tren e no matter your exp with compounds,
i get far worse sides using tren e than tren a...................

[taiboxa]

500mg/wk is opt for me in a real cycle

[magic32]

500mg/wk is opt for me in a real cycle

I second that...my favorite compound & dosage!

[shifty_git]

Kool - well im ganna pick 350-400mg a week as first time with tren.

have read tai saying a low dose of test is best with tren,

200mg per week ganna b enough?

[shifty_git]

ganna feel the shame of bumpin ma own thread.

if i go for 300mg per week of tren e (2x 150mg jabs)

is 200mg of test e ganna be enough? (2x100mg)

[Brent_G]

I thnik its fine. I dont like the water bloat the test gives during cycle. So as long as you have a sex drive let the tren do the work.

[shifty_git]

I thnik its fine. I dont like the water bloat the test gives during cycle. So as long as you have a sex drive let the tren do the work.

nice one fella - exactly what i was thinking...

mite up the tren to 350mg per week, n keep test e at 200mg per week.

winny tabs start and finish of cycle.

5th cycle