help with first cycle ever

[sharmahonda]

hey everyone im 29yrs old 6 foot ard 212 pounds with 11% body fat. have been training for 3 yrs hard now finally made up my mind to go anabolic,thinking abt doing testosterone only cycle sustanon 250 400 mg per week for 12 weeks would like to know about pct and what medicine to take in it and for how long.also what to avoid during the cycle and appx how many calories.thanks

[10nispro]

Eventhough you have decided to go to the darkside, you may want to slow down and do some research. The more you know the better things will go with your cycle, when you choose to do it. The reason I say this is, you want to do a test only cycle, which is good, but you want to use sust 250 at 400mg/wk. Why make it complicated? Just make it 500mg/wk and its easier to calculate. Two really important things to consider when using any AAS is diet and pct. Click on the blue word pct and read up. Also, this also helped me alot, go to the diet forum and read some. I thought I knew alot until I started reading.

Welcome to AR... I am not trying to flame, just want you to do it right.

[RBIZZY]

i like to consume as close to 5000 cal's a day that i can....but healthy cals... and one day out of the week i have cheat meals, like fast food or something. i would think that nolvadex and clomid would do the trick for pct. not sure on the dosage though...

[RBIZZY]

Eventhough you have decided to go to the darkside, you may want to slow down and do some research. The more you know the better things will go with your cycle, when you choose to do it. The reason I say this is, you want to do a test only cycle, which is good, but you want to use sust 250 at 400mg/wk. Why make it complicated? Just make it 500mg/wk and its easier to calculate. Two really important things to consider when using any AAS is diet and pct. Click on the blue word pct and read up. Also, this also helped me alot, go to the diet forum and read some. I thought I knew alot until I started reading.

Welcome to AR... I am not trying to flame, just want you to do it right.

i agree with this too.... i just think that maybe sust might be to complecated for a first cycle... if i were you i would try useing test enenthate or cypionate.... both easy compounds with great results..

[10nispro]

Test e or c are great choices....Just use hooker's pct and you can't go wrong. Start it 2 weeks after the last injection

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

i agree with this too.... i just think that maybe sust might be to complecated for a first cycle... if i were you i would try useing test enenthate or cypionate.... both easy compounds with great results..

It's not simpler. We aren't adding additional injections by using Sustanon, however, we would be using an inferior product. Straight E or C is cheaper, the blood levels are more stable, and therefore it gives you less side effects. Typically people that like Sustanon are those that don't mind high side effects and excess water retention because they think it makes them look larger, however this is ridiculous as it is both aesthetically displeasing and unhealthy. You can either listen to people that have a lot of practical knowledge as well as first hand experience, or you can choose to find out for yourself but I suggest you take our word for it, especially mine.

[sharmahonda]

k thanks so it makes more sense just taking test enenthate or cypionate for 12 weeks and start pct after 2 weeks of last injection how long shall i take clomid for and also shall i start taking natural testostorne bousters with that?

[Kale]

k thanks so it makes more sense just taking test enenthate or cypionate for 12 weeks and start pct after 2 weeks of last injection how long shall i take clomid for and also shall i start taking natural testostorne bousters with that?

Pheedno's PCT

My post cycle therapy consists of a three compound administration which is designed so that there is a primary and secondary LH stimulator which both are maximizing potential early in the duration; with the primary being phased out in extended protocol. With the addition of an Aromatase Inhibitor, which makes the above possible, the individual will also endure less of an increase in Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, which allows free testosterone levels to reach base line at a much quicker pace. The individual will also see less of a problem in most cases with sexual libido as the bounding SHBG is controlled(to an extent). Below you will find my suggested bare minimum, as well as a sample of an extended protocol. Extended PCT protcol is cycle length dependant so the below is not the standard for all cycles


PCT for cycles 8-16wks:
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

Extended protocol sample for a 12+ month cycle:
Day 1-15_ .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
Day 16-45_.25mg L-dex + 75mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva
Day 46-65_.25mg L-dex + 20mg Nolva
Day 66-80_.25mg L-dex

Now IMO, selective estrogen receptor modulators(SERMs) such as Clomiphine and Tamoxifen are selective to which tissues they bind too. Clomid being selective to the suprapituitary, while Tamox is selective to breast, bone, and liver ERs. I've come to this conclusion based on the comparison of studies on both SERMs. In every study showing benefit to HPTA from tamoxifin, the duration of the administration is 3-12months(This includes studies cited by William Llewellyn in his Nolva vs Clomid article). In studies showing levels of LH, FSH, and Testosterone checked after short durations of tamox, they were either insignificant, or their was an actual drop. I believe this is because tamox selectively works at the mammery(as well as bone and liver), thus taking longer for LH stimulation to occur.
With clomid, benefit to gonadotrophin concentrations, LH, FSH, and serum testosterone can be seen in short periods of 2-6wks. Because of the apparent selective nature of the two, and given our usual PCT duration, clomid is by far superior at LH stimulation than Nolva. Now both is the wise choice for a couple of reasons:

1. Nolva acts as the preventive measure to the estrogen flux
occured PC while clomid is the primary LH stimulator(Even more so in the case an AI is not used).
2. If your running a longer PCT, clomid needs to be discontinued after a while as it has been shown to desensitize GnRH, this due, IMO, to it's selective nature to the suprapituitary. In the longer forms of PCT, the clomid will be phased out, leaving Nolva and L-dex

Arimidex(or L-dex)
Estrogen is the main inhibitence of restoring HPTA, and AI administration has been shown to increase gonadotrophin concentrations and serum Testosterone by up to 50%. In addition, by adding L-dex, the inhibitence of excess estrogen allows Tamox to work greater at LH stimulation in the begining stages of PCT, since the need to prevent binding in the mammery is lessened by the reduction in estrogen biosynthesis

[RBIZZY]

i didnt mean simpler in the fact that they are simple compounds... just in the fact that your only doing 2 injections a week and only using one compound....

[mx3]

It's not simpler. We aren't adding additional injections by using Sustanon, however, we would be using an inferior product. Straight E or C is cheaper, the blood levels are more stable, and therefore it gives you less side effects. Typically people that like Sustanon are those that don't mind high side effects and excess water retention because they think it makes them look larger, however this is ridiculous as it is both aesthetically displeasing and unhealthy. You can either listen to people that have a lot of practical knowledge as well as first hand experience, or you can choose to find out for yourself but I suggest you take our word for it, especially mine.

sus should be shot eod to keep blood levels stable. Test e/c should be shot twice a wk. so there would be additional injections. side effects and bloat are user dependant. for me sides are the same as test e/c and I take less bloat on sus then test e. it is inferior in your opinion.

[100%NATURAL-theGH]

Yes I understand the half lives of all the esters in Sustanon but at the dose he described what kind of complicated injection protocol was he to follow? Inject 142.857142857mg EOD to keep stable blood levels? How many CC is that??? So he has to choose a different dose if he is going to inject more frequently and that only makes it more complicated. Personal use for me is a lot of bloat and sides, but also for about 100 other people that I know that took it, just going with the statistics.

[duramaxedge]

follow the beginner sample cycle on the main page.. read up on pct, and diet and you should be good to go..