Caber and Progestin Gyno

[reddragon4954]

I know the normal dosage for caber is 1-2mg a wk. If I had crazy high amounts of progestin build up would .5mg ED be enough to stop any chance of progestin gyno?

[Kratos]

.5mg e4d is enough to drop your prolactin levels to like nothing for most people. Caber does nothing for progesterone.

[reddragon4954]

I thought cabergoline was used for progestin gyno, am I wrong???

[reddragon4954]

I thought there were 2 types of gyno.
1) Estrogen related
2) Progostin gyno, which comes from Tren/Deca/ and some PH's

So taking an AI like aromasin or armidex will help with estrogen gyno. And by taking Caber I will not have to worry about the gyno that comes from Tren/Deca/PH rights??????

[taiboxa]

caber makes me feel worse than letro does.. personally if ur not lactating i'd go w/ letro

[Kratos]

Cabergoline is a dopamine receptor agonist. It works by blocking prolactin secretion from the pituitary gland. Deca and tren cause increases in prolactin levels.

[Merc..]

I thought there were 2 types of gyno.
1) Estrogen related
2) Progostin gyno, which comes from Tren/Deca/ and some PH's

So taking an AI like aromasin or armidex will help with estrogen gyno. And by taking Caber I will not have to worry about the gyno that comes from Tren/Deca/PH rights??????

NO... Caber lowers prolactin .. Not progesterone.....

Also gyno needs progest , estrogen as well as GH and IGF-1 to form .. It is not just estrogen..

Merc.

[Kratos]

caber makes me feel worse than letro does.. personally if ur not lactating i'd go w/ letro

I feel gr8 on caber.

[taiboxa]

I feel gr8 on caber, I didn't know it made anyone feel crappy.

yep did NOT like it.. and after extended use .. sexual gratification after climax was nill to none.. like i could go again instantly but the euphoria afterwards was practically non existant

[reddragon4954]

So can some clarify this then, If im taking Aromasin or armidex and .5mg e3d of caber, progestin or prolactin gyno should not be a problem right?

[Merc..]

Although estrogens and progestogens are vital to mammary growth, they are ineffective in the absence of anterior pituitary hormones (13). Thus, neither estrogen alone nor estrogen plus progesterone can sustain breast development without other mediators, such as GH and IGF-1, as confirmed by studies involving the administration of estrogen and GH to hypophysectomized and oophorectomized female rats, which resulted in breast ductal development. The GH effects on ductal growth are mediated through stimulation of IGF-1. This is demonstrated by studies of estrogen and GH administration to IGF-1 knockout rats that showed significantly decreased mammary development when compared to age-matched IGF-1- intact controls. Combined estrogen and IGF-1 treatment in these IGF-1 knockout rats restored mammary growth. (23, 40). In addition, Walden et al. demonstrated that GH-stimulated production of IGF-1 mRNA in the mammary gland itself, suggesting that IGF-1 production in the stromal compartment of the mammary gland acts locally to promote breast development (49). Furthermore, other data indicates that estrogen promotes GH secretion and increased GH levels, stimulating the production of IGF-1, which synergizes with estrogen to induce ductal development.

See the entire study here .. lots of info ..
http://www.endotext.org/male/male14/male14.htm


Merc.

[Kratos]

So can some clarify this then, If im taking Aromasin or armidex and .5mg e3d of caber, progestin or prolactin gyno should not be a problem right?

That would be the kitchen sink as far as gyno prevention. You will have nothing to worry about. You could even leave the caber out and see if prolactoma is a problem for you. The only thing you can do for progesterone is RU486 or the abortion pill, and nobody does that.

[reddragon4954]

thanks Krutas, so as far as preventing gyno of any kind, an AI and Caber should do the trick then?