Olbermann SLAMS Bush&FISA immunity-America is officially a facist state

[thegodfather]

This is definately lounge material...not quite news...something EVERY American should watch in its entirety, its not too long...only a few minutes...please take the time to watch and then comment.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F1cP8oDuyo

[alphaman]

comment, hmmm... frightened, yet not surprised. i hate to sound gloomy, but with everything going on right now, and how ridiculously stupid the mass majority of america is appearing to me... i don't think they'll get it until they realize they've been duped because they asked a question and their chip got turned off.

also... i don't know why olbermann thinks 'big government obama' will fix it. but maybe he got the memo that he would be fired if he talked about Ron Paul.

i never thought i would be saying crap like this. and honestly... I wouldn't say it in this manner on my own board. maybe ar is a good outlet for me... lol

[Logan13]

This is definately lounge material...not quite news...something EVERY American should watch in its entirety, its not too long...only a few minutes...please take the time to watch and then comment.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F1cP8oDuyo

olbermann is a wack job. He does not even know what facist means........

[thegodfather]

olbermann is a wack job. He does not even know what facist means........

Ehh I'm not so concerned with Olbermann, as I am the message he was sending. He may have little credability with you, but there is really no concievable counter argument to what he was saying, unless you come out and say "**** the Constitution, **** the American people, and **** their civil liberties and any rights they may have."

I think when we pay our carriers we expect them to have a certain allegiance to us. To think that they participated in the spying of American citizens, and completely ignored DUE PROCESS and the rule of law, is quite disturbing to me, and it IS a move in the direction of Facism. When corporations start colluding with government agencies to evade the rule of law and errode the civil liberties of American citizens.

So instead of slamming Olbermann, would you mind giving me a response to what was said in the video, and what your position is on the FISA&immunity issue.

[alphaman]

So instead of slamming Olbermann, would you mind giving me a response to what was said in the video, and what your position is on the FISA&immunity issue.

Yeah Logan. Geez man.

[Logan13]

Ehh I'm not so concerned with Olbermann, as I am the message he was sending. He may have little credability with you, but there is really no concievable counter argument to what he was saying, unless you come out and say "**** the Constitution, **** the American people, and **** their civil liberties and any rights they may have."

I think when we pay our carriers we expect them to have a certain allegiance to us. To think that they participated in the spying of American citizens, and completely ignored DUE PROCESS and the rule of law, is quite disturbing to me, and it IS a move in the direction of Facism. When corporations start colluding with government agencies to evade the rule of law and errode the civil liberties of American citizens.

So instead of slamming Olbermann, would you mind giving me a response to what was said in the video, and what your position is on the FISA&immunity issue.

Fascism has nothing to do with corporations. In Nazi Germany, the corporations had NO power since the gov't seized control of most of them. About the response, I honestly cannot bring myself to listen to a spook like Olbermann, regardless. All he does is whine about this and that, never offering any solutions. If everything were great, he would not have a job. You might as well provide a link to moveon.org in IMO............

[alphaman]

Fascism has nothing to do with corporations. In Nazi Germany, the corporations had NO power since the gov't seized control of most of them. About the response, I honestly cannot bring myself to listen to a spook like Olbermann, regardless. All he does is whine about this and that, never offering any solutions. If everything were great, he would not have a job. You might as well provide a link to moveon.org in IMO............

Seems like these guys don't agree with you Logan...

"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power."

- FDR

"Fascism in power is the open, terroristic dictatorship of the most reactionary, the most chauvinistic, the most imperialistic elements of finance capitalism."

karl marx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

[Logan13]

Seems like these guys don't agree with you Logan...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

read the book "Liberal Fascism"

[SMCengineer]

Fascism has nothing to do with corporations. In Nazi Germany, the corporations had NO power since the gov't seized control of most of them. About the response, I honestly cannot bring myself to listen to a spook like Olbermann, regardless. All he does is whine about this and that, never offering any solutions. If everything were great, he would not have a job. You might as well provide a link to moveon.org in IMO............

There is more than one way to define fascism. Just because the left is usually considered fascist doesn't mean that it does't also apply to the right in our current state.

[Pooks]

Ehh I'm not so concerned with Olbermann, as I am the message he was sending. He may have little credability with you, but there is really no concievable counter argument to what he was saying, unless you come out and say "**** the Constitution, **** the American people, and **** their civil liberties and any rights they may have."

I think when we pay our carriers we expect them to have a certain allegiance to us. To think that they participated in the spying of American citizens, and completely ignored DUE PROCESS and the rule of law, is quite disturbing to me, and it IS a move in the direction of Facism. When corporations start colluding with government agencies to evade the rule of law and errode the civil liberties of American citizens.

So instead of slamming Olbermann, would you mind giving me a response to what was said in the video, and what your position is on the FISA&immunity issue.

I agree,, 2 of the same pretty much.

We've got 2 choices in this country.. between Progressive Socialism or Conservative Socialism..
BOTH ARE A VIEW POINT, BASED ON THE WORLD BEING LIKE A BEE-HIVE, or AN ANT FARM.. meaning BIG GOVERNMENT!!!! We already got that on the state level.. we do not need it on the federal level also... The problem began, when the Federal government decided it wasn't going to Govern States, but instead Govern individuals.

But what we want is Individualism and Freedom!!!! LIBERTARIAN PARTY! at least on the federal level.. Not an ANT FARM, but a UNIVERSE, with CHECKS and BALANCES!....
Go Ron Paul!!

BTW: the definition of "fascism" was changed after world war 2.. because it was too much a like to "Progressivism" they were pushing in America.


Today Government has no checks and balances.. it all works together like a MACHINE!
NAZISM called it what u want...

To return to CHECK AND BALANCES.. we need to roll back our gov't to pre-1913 and Pre-Woodraw Wilson, and Pre-Proggresivism.

[alphaman]

Logan...

are you okay with the white house declaring a state of emergency and bringing all powers to the executive branch?

[Logan13]

Logan...

are you okay with the white house declaring a state of emergency and bringing all powers to the executive branch?

martial law?

[alphaman]

martial law?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...070509-12.html

[alphaman]

You need to read the bill that allows such tapping. It is limited in its scope to "matters of US security".

It's just not that simple. If it were, then legal scholars wouldn't be up in arms over it's being unconstitutional and judges wouldn't be ruling in favor of such.

[Ncogneato]

I'm sorry Logan13 and Pooks, but I'm thuroughly convinced that you guys live on another planet. You guys wouldn't happen to work for FOX News would you? Just remember; Blind faith in incompetant leaders is NOT PATRIOTISM!!!

[Pooks]

I'm sorry Logan13 and Pooks, but I'm thuroughly convinced that you guys live on another planet. You guys wouldn't happen to work for FOX News would you? Just remember; Blind faith in incompetant leaders is NOT PATRIOTISM!!!

eh..

it is just 2 different philosophies..

1 = Freedom = No tariffs, fair competition, low or no taxes (The choice to spend the money you earn any which way you want), not many regulations, free markets, small government, Individualism.. The Classic Republican way.

2.= Socialism/Fascism, Tariffs making the country isolated and poor, Government intervention in competition.. some people are better of collecting umemployment, than finding a job for example.. HIGH TAXES = (half the money u earn GOVT spends for you.. usually gives it to other people!!!! WTF!!).. to support a big ass GOVT.. the FEDERALIST WAY..aka democrats.