Unloseable fat?

[Alpha_Romeo]

Is there such a thing as unloseable fat...I've maintained 15-18% bf my whole life and am finally trying to get lean, i'm at about 13-14% and there is this "pooch" of fat on my lower abs that is quite prominent that does'nt seem to be moving....is there such a thing as fat that you can't lose?

[gigem]

well no i wouldnt say so everyone has problem areas good diet and a good workout routine are it bro good luck. dont get discouraged hang in there it will happen before you realize it.

[Eat Too Much]

I have that too.. I've never been "ripped" but this year it will happen.. Just stay with your diet and keep kicking the cardio up a notch every couple weeks.. I'm as close as I've ever been and it's cause I amped up my cardio.. just keep it up..

[juiceball44]

its all about diet and being active, if i didnt exercise or watch my diet i'd be a 300lb blob

[canadian meat]

The bottem of abs,for me was the last to go and most stubborn .I finally started to really lose it when I did morning cardio before I ate

[perfectbeast2001]

there is no such thing as fat that you cant lose, however, you do reach a plateua where the body fights hard to keep the fat you have (especially the mid section). You just have to step up the cardio and be 100% with your diet. Post diet lets have a look.

[magic32]

there is no such thing as fat that you cant lose, however, you do reach a plateua where the body fights hard to keep the fat you have (especially the mid section). You just have to step up the cardio and be 100% with your diet. Post diet lets have a look.

^^^True^^^
Homeostasis can be mean to the bb'er. But you also have to listen to your body, enhance what works, and dump what doesn't. To add to Beast's cardio comment, be sure to cross train with different forms (steps, tread, bike, hills, rope, etc.) to prevent adaptation. Be sure to experiment with your diet. Don't just say I'm going with XYZ number of carbs, proteins, and fats…explore to find YOUR best combinations.

Edward Deming, the father of TQM Total Quality Management said that it works so well because the system is constantly evaluated and regularly updated based on feedback. Be the same way!

M.

[Mike Dura]

Absolutely true. I struggle with area but in the end I surmount it through sheer will. As I shred up, I have you in mind PB - I'm looking to one-up you bro! I think I can and I'll prove it with pics or eat my words!

there is no such thing as fat that you cant lose, however, you do reach a plateua where the body fights hard to keep the fat you have (especially the mid section). You just have to step up the cardio and be 100% with your diet. Post diet lets have a look.

[TheSentinal]

Wait till you get over 40 bro!

[trulbfan3]

its all bout diet and cardio...when thats not enough, try diet pills...if they dont work, clen...if that doesnt work try dnp...and if that doesnt work your just ****ed.

[Toenail Juice Z]

its all bout diet and cardio...when thats not enough, try diet pills...if they dont work, clen...if that doesnt work try dnp...and if that doesnt work your just ****ed.

I would do it in this order. ECA, then clen then T3 and then maybe dnp.

[Alpha_Romeo]

Diet CKD, at the moment.

sun-fri
2300-2500cals
180-190g protein
180-190g fat
<20g carbs, from fibrous veggies and walnuts.

Sat
600-800g carbs
200-300g protein
<20fat
low gi carbs (sweet potatoes, besides pwo shake(100g))

Low Volume Heavy resist training sun-fri
sat HIT full body

1-2hours of aerobic work a day

[muscle_20]

i would up protien and lower carbs especially on weekends thats just crazy.
check your tyroid and see if its slow or some thing.

[Alpha_Romeo]

Hmm, I found that replenishing musle glycogen with that much carbs worked fine without overspill. The whole idea is that it brings you back to supranormal levels of glycogen storage (around 170mmkg as opposed to 140mmkg), thus making it easier to maintain muscle tissue and possibly add some....I have been losing around a lb a week, and strength has not gone down, so I know it works...and I did progress into the ketogenic diet. The only thing is everything is getting leaner except that area, last night was the only time I noticed it lookin smaller...maybe the extra bit of cardio is working now or something.

[Alpha_Romeo]

supps: taurine, bcaa, multi, clen, fish oil, greens+, going to add b6

[NewVader]

Is there such a thing as unloseable fat...I've maintained 15-18% bf my whole life and am finally trying to get lean, i'm at about 13-14% and there is this "pooch" of fat on my lower abs that is quite prominent that does'nt seem to be moving....is there such a thing as fat that you can't lose?

if you have 3000-5000$ lipo is your best bet. I was amazed what happened to a friend of mine. He had the same problem, in good shape everywhere but couldn't get rid of his spare tire....he did lipo, and the next moring everything had disappeared. Also he was back in the gym after 1 week and could squat heavy and do everything else after 2 weeks...his scars are almost invisible (the most noticeable is inside the belly button), preatty amazing to see such a radical change overnight!!! So you can either suffer for months and hope to get rid of some of it ( for him even dieting hard and cardio for months would work just to some extent, as the spare tire never completely disappeard) or just loose it in 3 hours....After seeing what I saw I'd go for the second one...

[Johny-too-small]

if you have 3000-5000$ lipo is your best bet. I was amazed what happened to a friend of mine. He had the same problem, in good shape everywhere but couldn't get rid of his spare tire....he did lipo, and the next moring everything had disappeared. Also he was back in the gym after 1 week and could squat heavy and do everything else after 2 weeks...his scars are almost invisible (the most noticeable is inside the belly button), preatty amazing to see such a radical change overnight!!! So you can either suffer for months and hope to get rid of some of it ( for him even dieting hard and cardio for months would work just to some extent, as the spare tire never completely disappeard) or just loose it in 3 hours....After seeing what I saw I'd go for the second one...

Why are people so afraid to work? Lipo is for the weak and lazy. Bodybuilder and Lipo are oxymoronic. Anybody can lose as much fat as they want if they devote themselve 100% to their cardio, diet, and training.

If you get lipo for your lovehandles, you might as well start using synthol and get a bicept implant while youre at it. What a fuvking joke.

[NewVader]

Why are people so afraid to work? Lipo is for the weak and lazy. Bodybuilder and Lipo are oxymoronic. Anybody can lose as much fat as they want if they devote themselve 100% to their cardio, diet, and training.

If you get lipo for your lovehandles, you might as well start using synthol and get a bicept implant while youre at it. What a fuvking joke.

this makes me uderstand that you have no idea what a stubborn pocket of fat is. Maybe you dont realize that some people like my friend eat 1500 clean kcal/day do cardio 5 times a week first thing in the morning, lift ,add eca and clen and after months they still have sort of a spare tire even if they have veins popping on their shoulders and legs. THIS IS WHEN A**OMINAL LIPO IS RECCOMMENDED, it has nothing to do with being lazy, it's genetics

Alpha Romeo:

the risk of infection for such a small procedure is slim to none, and they put you on antibiotics for a week afterwards and guess what, my friend felt like you about anesthesia and the doctor told him he could do it without ( only local) He said it was a bit painful but it only lasted a couple of hours and after that his fat was gone...oh forgot to add, gone FOREVER cause those fat cells are gone and cant be recreated in an adult..

[dieselrip]

this makes me uderstand that you have no idea what a stubborn pocket of fat is. Maybe you dont realize that some people like my friend eat 1500 clean kcal/day do cardio 5 times a week first thing in the morning, lift ,add eca and clen and after months they still have sort of a spare tire even if they have veins popping on their shoulders and legs. THIS IS WHEN A**OMINAL LIPO IS RECCOMMENDED, it has nothing to do with being lazy, it's genetics

Alpha Romeo:

the risk of infection for such a small procedure is slim to none, and they put you on antibiotics for a week afterwards and guess what, my friend felt like you about anesthesia and the doctor told him he could do it without ( only local) He said it was a bit painful but it only lasted a couple of hours and after that his fat was gone...oh forgot to add, gone FOREVER cause those fat cells are gone and cant be recreated in an adult..

hear yah on that one bro. if he is having trouble with "love handles" and if you have tried already using rope crunchs but do it like this:

Light Weight/High Reps

take the rope get to the floor (left hand by left ear right hand by right ear)

now do 100 reps (low weight) on the left side
without stopping move to the midsection and do 100 more
without stopping move to the right side and do 100

rest for 2 minutes lying flate on floor (on stomach) and slowly raise yourself so that your chest is in the air this will help with burn and stretch the abs for more abuse and also cut the lactic acid buildup down a little
then have a buddy stand over your head while you lay on your back and you hold his ankels. kick your feet up at him like your trying to kick his chest, your buddy then throughs your feet (which your feet should be together and never seperate) to the left, you kick him again he throughs feet of the middle then right so on and so on these are great for the lower abs and the serratus

[Alpha_Romeo]

Well, thats not a bad idea, seeing as how there is only 2 risks involved.
1.) Death from infection by having a foreign body entering you.
2.)Death from Anasthesia.

Not big risks, but still i'm anal.

At this point I don't have the money, and I want to keep fighting the good fight. The problem is fat from lipo is even't permanent, recent studies on the subject reveal that your body regenerates adipocytes lost, not in the same area, but kind of randomly.

[GHO5T]

Supplement with Yohimbine HCL, Gugglstone, CLA, and Clen.

Should help with getting rid of the last ounces of bf you have left.

~GHO5T~

[Alpha_Romeo]

Yohimbine HCL and Clen? Is that safe, or is just to prevent a negative feedback loop (I forget which one).

As for Magic I do change my diet around quite a bit, i'm going to come out of ketosis for a couple of weeks and diet with carbs, and then go back in to it.

I am always frequently changing my aerobic work, evening during a session....

also stats are

190lb (carb ***leted, in ketosis)
5'11"
13-14%bf (Which I can never seem to get below)

[juiceball44]

post your diet, if you cannot get below 13-14% the diet is the 1st thing to look at. you can take all the fat burners in the world and do tons of cardio but if your diet sucks your not gonna lose any fat

[Alpha_Romeo]

I did post it....also what the hell is gugglestones anyway, is'nt it a T3 derivative or something?

[jackman22]

I did post it....also what the hell is gugglestones anyway, is'nt it a T3 derivative or something?

if you saying your not having carbs is your idea of posting your diet then your wrong. or i missed a post either 1.

[10nispro]

you have a long wast or short waste. i am short wasted and never could loose it all. I had bf 4.2% when i did triathlons for a living and still had the small pooch

[Mike Dura]

Not true. With the right conditions, you're body has no choice but to use those stores!

you have a long wast or short waste. i am short wasted and never could loose it all. I had bf 4.2% when i did triathlons for a living and still had the small pooch

[dieselrip]

one word

"ReVerse Crunchs's" opps i lied thats 2 darn it. reverse crunchs hit the lower ab's more than the top, well any crunch is a crunch you use the whole ab section but the when you do reverse crunchs your lower abs are contracted more give em a try im sure you will get what you are lookin for i had this problem after my car wreck got that little gut so i tried these suckers out and worked good for me.

[Mike Dura]

One word: Wrong! No such thing as spot reduction. But that's what this board is about, becoming knowledgable. Good luck.

one word

"ReVerse Crunchs's" opps i lied thats 2 darn it. reverse crunchs hit the lower ab's more than the top, well any crunch is a crunch you use the whole ab section but the when you do reverse crunchs your lower abs are contracted more give em a try im sure you will get what you are lookin for i had this problem after my car wreck got that little gut so i tried these suckers out and worked good for me.

[jackman22]

One word: Wrong! No such thing as spot reduction. But that's what this board is about, becoming knowledgable. Good luck.

lol right again

[dieselrip]

One word: Wrong! No such thing as spot reduction. But that's what this board is about, becoming knowledgable. Good luck.

you are dead wrong here let me fill you in from a section of arnold's book : )

SPOT REDUCING

For years scientists and exercise physiologists said that there was no such thing as spot reducing. Arnold Schwarzenegger, in his book, 'Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding,' said, 'Exercise authorities tell us there is no such thing as spot reducing. But there is something that LOOKS like spot reducing'. He then went on to detail how it works in real life. He was right.

It turns out that when you increase blood flow to a muscle group during exercise, the high level of adrenal hormones in the blood stream act forcefully on the fat tissue surrounding the working muscle. This increase allows the proximity fat ***osits to be broken down quickly and used as an energy source by the working muscle.

An effective way to take advantage of this new information is to train the area or muscle group several times a day for five to ten minutes with a moderate resistance, pumping routine. This will work especially well for the thighs, hips, and a**ominals. A good way to get quick results for clients is start them off by training the body part they wish to reduce, and finish the workout with it, too.


now do you care to revise your statement mr. your wrong. your the one that is wrong and is in need of updating your info

[Mike Dura]

I'm aware of this. I also read it in MD. But the effects are minimal as compared to cardio/diet. It's a matter of putting into proper perspective. I hope this helps you son.

you are dead wrong here let me fill you in from a section of arnold's book : )

SPOT REDUCING

For years scientists and exercise physiologists said that there was no such thing as spot reducing. Arnold Schwarzenegger, in his book, 'Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding,' said, 'Exercise authorities tell us there is no such thing as spot reducing. But there is something that LOOKS like spot reducing'. He then went on to detail how it works in real life. He was right.

It turns out that when you increase blood flow to a muscle group during exercise, the high level of adrenal hormones in the blood stream act forcefully on the fat tissue surrounding the working muscle. This increase allows the proximity fat ***osits to be broken down quickly and used as an energy source by the working muscle.

An effective way to take advantage of this new information is to train the area or muscle group several times a day for five to ten minutes with a moderate resistance, pumping routine. This will work especially well for the thighs, hips, and a**ominals. A good way to get quick results for clients is start them off by training the body part they wish to reduce, and finish the workout with it, too.


now do you care to revise your statement mr. your wrong. your the one that is wrong and is in need of updating your info

[muscle_20]

you are dead wrong here let me fill you in from a section of arnold's book : )

arnolds book his books are full of the most absalute shit ever entertaining to read but thats it.

gh = spot reduction

[Mike Dura]

I partially agree. I like the pics of him, Franco, Sergio, Zane, Mentzner, and all those loveable characters in pumping iron.

arnolds book his books are full of the most absalute shit ever entertaining to read but thats it.

gh = spot reduction

[Mike Dura]

Although I still think (based on what I read) that the effects are minimal relative to cardio/diet - this info is good enough that I'll give this a try. If I went back into personal training though I'd generally tell people that there is no such thing as spot reduction because it's generally true.

you are dead wrong here let me fill you in from a section of arnold's book : )

SPOT REDUCING

For years scientists and exercise physiologists said that there was no such thing as spot reducing. Arnold Schwarzenegger, in his book, 'Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding,' said, 'Exercise authorities tell us there is no such thing as spot reducing. But there is something that LOOKS like spot reducing'. He then went on to detail how it works in real life. He was right.

It turns out that when you increase blood flow to a muscle group during exercise, the high level of adrenal hormones in the blood stream act forcefully on the fat tissue surrounding the working muscle. This increase allows the proximity fat ***osits to be broken down quickly and used as an energy source by the working muscle.

An effective way to take advantage of this new information is to train the area or muscle group several times a day for five to ten minutes with a moderate resistance, pumping routine. This will work especially well for the thighs, hips, and a**ominals. A good way to get quick results for clients is start them off by training the body part they wish to reduce, and finish the workout with it, too.


now do you care to revise your statement mr. your wrong. your the one that is wrong and is in need of updating your info

[dieselrip]

most everyone says diet, take this, take that, never thinking about a different exercise that could target that muscle.

[Mike Dura]

Targeting a muscle has little to do with body recomposition.

most everyone says diet, take this, take that, never thinking about a different exercise that could target that muscle.

[jackman22]

Targeting a muscle has little to do with body recomposition.

very true theres no way to spot loosing fat.

[Mike Dura]

Wrong again! One word, liposuction! Yawn!!! lol

very true theres no way to spot loosing fat.

[Mike Dura]

I have really good abs and I've never done any ab work. Those muscles have always been there. You only see them when I get my bodyfat low enough and I do that through endless cardio and a ketogenic diet. They are coming in pretty nice now and my ketostix (which indicates ketone bodies in your urine) are reading purple so I know I'm burning fat).