Roid cycle-think I got it covered?

[BIGDOGIRISH]

Hi guys.
I know many of you hate these noob threads but Iv done a heck of a lot of research and theres just way to much conflicting advice for me to have 100% confidence in my cycle.
Obviously I value my health and thats why Im putting this thread out there so please be helpful. Im dedicated and serious about my new obsession (bodybuilding)

Profile
27 years old
6 foot 2 inches
89kg (think that works out around 190-195lbs)
And a mickey to die for lol
Light training (cardio mostly) past 10 years with serious building the past 5 months. Always had high metabolism so hard gainer.
Have diet/nutrition figured out now at last.

Iv bought everything I need already on advice of a semi professional fighter with long term roid use and university education in same.
Legit buys in Thailand.
Just need to know if theres any fine tuning required or advised on my cycle plan as Iv seen different on net many times.

Weeks 1-3 Testosterone Cypionate (Cypionax) 600mg (every 5th day)
Weeks 4-8 Testosterone Cypionate (Cypionax) 400mg (week 8, I might drop to 200mg?)

Weeks 1-3 Dianabol (Danabol DS-blue hearts) 50mg daily
Weeks 3-5 Dianabol (Danabol DS-blue hearts) 40mg daily
Weeks 6-8 Dianabol (Danabol DS-blue hearts) 30mg daily

Weeks 2-8 Proviron (Provironum) 25mg daily (only got 50tabs so cutting week 1?)

Weeks 1-(11?) Nolvadex-D 20mg daily

Last day of Testosterone do 1st HCG jab of 2,500iu.
2nd jab 3days later(2,500iu) and 3rd jab another 3days later(2,500iu)

18days after last testostrone shot stop Nolvadex and take
150mg Clomid for 4 days
100mg Clomid for 10 days
50mg Clomid for 10 days

Supplements include
Liv52 for liver
L-Arginine(restore testostrone) and 5-HTP(depression) to aid during PCT
Multivitamin and ***** 3 and 6 oils

From reading the forum I know theres going to be some disagreement with the above so please let me know and maybe a brief reason why or where it can be improved.

Thanks guys. I'll be sure to post pics of before and after.

[shifty_git]

Hi guys.
I know many of you hate these noob threads but Iv done a heck of a lot of research and theres just way to much conflicting advice for me to have 100% confidence in my cycle.
Obviously I value my health and thats why Im putting this thread out there so please be helpful. Im dedicated and serious about my new obsession (bodybuilding)

Profile
27 years old
6 foot 2 inches
89kg (think that works out around 190-195lbs)
And a mickey to die for lol
Light training (cardio mostly) past 10 years with serious building the past 5 months. Always had high metabolism so hard gainer.
Have diet/nutrition figured out now at last.

Iv bought everything I need already on advice of a semi professional fighter with long term roid use and university education in same.
Legit buys in Thailand.
Just need to know if theres any fine tuning required or advised on my cycle plan as Iv seen different on net many times.

Weeks 1-3 Testosterone Cypionate (Cypionax) 600mg (every 5th day)
Weeks 4-8 Testosterone Cypionate (Cypionax) 400mg (week 8, I might drop to 200mg?) PICK ONE DOSE 400 OR 600 AND STICK WITH IT.

CYCLE NEEDS TO BE 10-12 WEEKS - AS CYP WILL ONLY BE KICKING IN WEEK 4-5

Weeks 1-3 Dianabol (Danabol DS-blue hearts) 50mg daily
Weeks 3-5 Dianabol (Danabol DS-blue hearts) 40mg daily STICK WITH THIS DOSE FOR 4 TO 6 WEEKS ONLY!Weeks 6-8 Dianabol (Danabol DS-blue hearts) 30mg daily

Weeks 2-8 Proviron (Provironum) 25mg daily (only got 50tabs so cutting week 1?)

Weeks 1-(11?) Nolvadex-D 20mg daily SAVE NOLVA FOR PCT

Last day of Testosterone do 1st HCG jab of 2,500iu. WAY TOO MUCH IN ONE JAB!! 500IU EVERY DAY, NOT IN BIG AMOUNTS!2nd jab 3days later(2,500iu) and 3rd jab another 3days later(2,500iu)

18days after last testostrone shot stop Nolvadex and take
150mg Clomid for 4 days
100mg Clomid for 10 days
50mg Clomid for 10 days
TAKE NOLVA WITH PCT + YOU NEED AN AI!

Supplements include
Liv52 for liver
L-Arginine(restore testostrone) and 5-HTP(depression) to aid during PCT
Multivitamin and ***** 3 and 6 oils

From reading the forum I know theres going to be some disagreement with the above so please let me know and maybe a brief reason why or where it can be improved.

Thanks guys. I'll be sure to post pics of before and after.

Answers in red - looks like you need to do A LOT more research before you start!!!!

[shifty_git]

Your cycle should look more like this...

Weeks 1-12 Test Cyp 400mg/week
Weeks 1-4 (or 6) DBol 30mg per day

HCG - Not really needed on that cycle

PCT -
Weeks 14-17 NOLVA 20mg per day

Weeks 14-15 CLOMID 100mg per day
Weeks 15-16 CLOMID 75mg per day

Weeks 14-18 AN AI (say Arimidex) 0.25mg per day

[BIGDOGIRISH]

Cheers Shifty for the reply

[shifty_git]

PICK ONE DOSE 400 OR 600 AND STICK WITH IT
'Ramping' is an old skool method which has been proven not to be any benefit, as causes potential for hormone fluctuations which gives sides and slows gains.
Keep blood levels constant through cycle for best results.

CYCLE NEEDS TO BE 10-12 WEEKS - AS CYP WILL ONLY BE KICKING IN WEEK 4-5
Do more research on esters. The ester cyp wont peak till weeks 4-5 due to the near 2 week life of the drug. This also effects PCT timing as you want it out of your system when you start trying to kickstart your natty production.
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104

STICK WITH THIS DOSE FOR 4 TO 6 WEEKS ONLY
Orals are liver toxic as you know.. And orals like dbol are only good as a kickstarter.. so 4-6 weeks is fine.

SAVE NOLVA FOR PCT
On the levels of test you are doing aromatization wont be a huge problem and nolva will block estro probably 2 much, and you need estro to make gains (at a level that is not 2 low, but not 2 high)
See mercs thread on estro
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=319202

WAY TOO MUCH IN ONE JAB!! 500IU EVERY DAY, NOT IN BIG AMOUNTS
Read up on HCG, main use it to increase testicular axis after a heavy cycle, so probably not needed after a test only cycle.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=292564

TAKE NOLVA WITH PCT + YOU NEED AN AI!
A decent PCT should contain an AI and a SERM.
This link is an example of a good basic PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626
This Link will tell ya the diferences of AI's and SERMS and why to use them when
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94545

Hope this info helps on where to research and why the changes...

[BIGDOGIRISH]

Is Proviron an AI (http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94545 says so in this thread) and could I use that instead of buying more stuff?

I have the HCG so should I use a little or really just forget about it?

You rekon no ramping on the Dbol either?
I'd like to do week 1-3 @ 50mg to get my body going before the testostrone kicks and then down to 40 or 30 before stopping it, but you know better than I do so advice is very welcome and its all taken on board.
Can I take Dbol perhaps at low amounts in later weeks?(want that feel good factor to last)
My Liv52 and Milk Thistle will help with the Dbols harshness to my Liver

[IntenseAthlete]

Is Proviron an AI (http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94545 says so in this thread) and could I use that instead of buying more stuff?

I have the HCG so should I use a little or really just forget about it?

You rekon no ramping on the Dbol either?
I'd like to do week 1-3 @ 50mg to get my body going before the testostrone kicks and then down to 40 or 30 before stopping it, but you know better than I do so advice is very welcome and its all taken on board.
Can I take Dbol perhaps at low amounts in later weeks?(want that feel good factor to last)
My Liv52 and Milk Thistle will help with the Dbols harshness to my Liver

follow shifty's plan, dbols is only good for a kick start,after that its all sides!

the provirin should work fine.Its not ai but has some properties and IMO is a good joice for a low dose cycle like this.If you have 6 weeks of it take for the last 6 weeks include it with pct.

[sitries]

your cycle is way too overcomplicated!!!!

wk 1-4 40mg dbol per day
wk 1-10 500mg test cyp 2x250 mg injections per week.
wk 12 - 15 nolvadex and clomid combination
wk 4, 6, 8, 10 - hcg 2x500iu per week (total of 8 shots)

[BIGDOGIRISH]

bump any more views? All are welcome

[BIGDOGIRISH]

Ok hows this??

wk 1-10 Test cyp 200mg every 3 days. Loading first 2 shots with 400 each.
wk 1-5 Dbol 40mg ed
wk 2-5 Proviron

PCT - HCG, Nolva, Clomid, Proviron

[in_nujerz]

thats fine except i dont see why you would front load it with the dbol just add another week instead IMO

[ChuckLee]

Ok hows this??

wk 1-10 Test cyp 200mg every 3 days. Loading first 2 shots with 400 each.
wk 1-5 Dbol 40mg ed
wk 2-5 Proviron

PCT - HCG, Nolva, Clomid, Proviron

I don't agree with the prov the first weeks, keep it for the pct only IMO.
No need also to kickstart the test, as you already have dbol for that.

CL

[STEROIDMD]

PICK ONE DOSE 400 OR 600 AND STICK WITH IT
'Ramping' is an old skool method which has been proven not to be any benefit, as causes potential for hormone fluctuations which gives sides and slows gains.
Keep blood levels constant through cycle for best results.

CYCLE NEEDS TO BE 10-12 WEEKS - AS CYP WILL ONLY BE KICKING IN WEEK 4-5
Do more research on esters. The ester cyp wont peak till weeks 4-5 due to the near 2 week life of the drug. This also effects PCT timing as you want it out of your system when you start trying to kickstart your natty production.
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104

STICK WITH THIS DOSE FOR 4 TO 6 WEEKS ONLY
Orals are liver toxic as you know.. And orals like dbol are only good as a kickstarter.. so 4-6 weeks is fine.

SAVE NOLVA FOR PCT
On the levels of test you are doing aromatization wont be a huge problem and nolva will block estro probably 2 much, and you need estro to make gains (at a level that is not 2 low, but not 2 high)
See mercs thread on estro
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=319202

WAY TOO MUCH IN ONE JAB!! 500IU EVERY DAY, NOT IN BIG AMOUNTS
Read up on HCG, main use it to increase testicular axis after a heavy cycle, so probably not needed after a test only cycle.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=292564

TAKE NOLVA WITH PCT + YOU NEED AN AI!
A decent PCT should contain an AI and a SERM.
This link is an example of a good basic PCT
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94626
This Link will tell ya the diferences of AI's and SERMS and why to use them when
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94545

Hope this info helps on where to research and why the changes...

You r the man Shifty!

[STEROIDMD]

Hi guys.
I know many of you hate these noob threads but Iv done a heck of a lot of research and theres just way to much conflicting advice for me to have 100% confidence in my cycle.
Obviously I value my health and thats why Im putting this thread out there so please be helpful. Im dedicated and serious about my new obsession (bodybuilding)

Profile
27 years old
6 foot 2 inches
89kg (think that works out around 190-195lbs)
And a mickey to die for lol
Light training (cardio mostly) past 10 years with serious building the past 5 months. Always had high metabolism so hard gainer.
Have diet/nutrition figured out now at last.

Iv bought everything I need already on advice of a semi professional fighter with long term roid use and university education in same.
Legit buys in Thailand.
Just need to know if theres any fine tuning required or advised on my cycle plan as Iv seen different on net many times.

Weeks 1-3 Testosterone Cypionate (Cypionax) 600mg (every 5th day)
Weeks 4-8 Testosterone Cypionate (Cypionax) 400mg (week 8, I might drop to 200mg?)

Weeks 1-3 Dianabol (Danabol DS-blue hearts) 50mg daily
Weeks 3-5 Dianabol (Danabol DS-blue hearts) 40mg daily
Weeks 6-8 Dianabol (Danabol DS-blue hearts) 30mg daily

Weeks 2-8 Proviron (Provironum) 25mg daily (only got 50tabs so cutting week 1?)

Weeks 1-(11?) Nolvadex-D 20mg daily

Last day of Testosterone do 1st HCG jab of 2,500iu.
2nd jab 3days later(2,500iu) and 3rd jab another 3days later(2,500iu)

18days after last testostrone shot stop Nolvadex and take
150mg Clomid for 4 days
100mg Clomid for 10 days
50mg Clomid for 10 days

Supplements include
Liv52 for liver
L-Arginine(restore testostrone) and 5-HTP(depression) to aid during PCT
Multivitamin and ***** 3 and 6 oils

From reading the forum I know theres going to be some disagreement with the above so please let me know and maybe a brief reason why or where it can be improved.

Thanks guys. I'll be sure to post pics of before and after.

What the hell is a mickey???

[BIGDOGIRISH]

thats fine except i dont see why you would front load it with the dbol just add another week instead IMO

Well Iv got the dBol and I like the idea of the "feel good factor" its supposed to give you. Iv no liver problems and I cant see myself doing more than two cycles at the very most in my lifetime.

Why you not like the dBol kickstart???

[BIGDOGIRISH]

I don't agree with the prov the first weeks, keep it for the pct only IMO.
No need also to kickstart the test, as you already have dbol for that.

CL

I understand it might kill some gains but wont it stop water retention while on the dBol??? I had another reason for taking it also, but forget what it is...
Is everyone firm on not using Proviron during cycle??

How many in favour of kickstarting Test?
How many against?

[BIGDOGIRISH]

What the hell is a mickey???

LMAO
You aint from Ireland anyways!!!!

A Mickey = my roger, my budgie, willy, the auld peter, my lad, the one eyed snake, the dribbling sausage ha ha ya getting it now???

[darr]

LMAO
You aint from Ireland anyways!!!!

A Mickey = my roger, my budgie, willy, the auld peter, my lad, the one eyed snake, the dribbling sausage ha ha ya getting it now???

what part of Ireland are ye from???LMAO

[taiboxa]

follow shifty's plan, dbols is only good for a kick start,after that its all sides!
the provirin should work fine.Its not ai but has some properties and IMO is a good joice for a low dose cycle like this.If you have 6 weeks of it take for the last 6 weeks include it with pct.

why would u make a statement like that? dbol is far superior to test in every area... and its gains are just as easily keepable as any other aas.

heck many people, including myself, have used dbol mid and end cycle to break platues

[awntzu]

What the hell is a mickey???

The Irish

[BIGDOGIRISH]

what part of Ireland are ye from???LMAO

Ha the mad part where we tink up unusual names for our penis when we're drunk.

"Mind my pint Paddy, Im just going to drain the Mickey out!!!!"

[BIGDOGIRISH]

why would u make a statement like that? dbol is far superior to test in every area... and its gains are just as easily keepable as any other aas.

heck many people, including myself, have used dbol mid and end cycle to break platues

Thanks for restoring my faith in the DBol.
Got the nice blue hearts!

[Crest]

do the dbol, u will love it