unresponcible use of anabolic substances

[brite]

Hi people,

I'm posting here just to tell a little story about what is going on at work at the moment. I'm a human resources manager at large building projects in the netherlands and abroad.

Last Monday we were talking sports and steroids in the cafeteria and a scaffold builder started to tell a story about how steroids aren't that dangerous as the media projects it too be and about him doing steroids for 2 years straight.

At first I thought he was talking bullshit, but when he was giving me more and more info about the substances he was doing I really started to believe him. Later that day I called him into my office and had a little talk with him about his use of steroids and told him I did a few cycles myself but in a responsible way and period of time.

Then I asked him what kind of steroids he was doing at the moment, and this is what came up..

Anadrol 50
Test C
Winny's
Clenbuterol
Deca

The worst thing about this is that he was doing this cycle for 9 months straight.

After our talk I gave him the adress of my doctor and told him he should go there and get some bloodwork done. He called me later that night that he made an appointment for next tuesday.

The day after I got a phone call from his colleague that he was in the hospital because he had a 42 degree Celcius fever in the night and he was admitted in the hospital in critical state. It turned out his kidney's weren't functioning properly anymore his liver was severely damaged, and his heart valve is enlarged so much it's covering half the heart.

This morning he died from a heart attack at age 22.

I found out from his colleague that he was using steroids for 2 years straight now and was addicted too em.


This ain't no scare tactics or something, but all I want to say in this thread is that if your a beginner in this, READ ALL THE INFORMATION YOU CAN GET AND IS PROVIDED ON THIS FORuM.

Beware of addiction, and keep an eye out for yur mates as well.

[dupa95]

That is abuse not use and no REAL knowlage of use. Steroids are NOT addictive and if they are which there are not show me the reaserch. You buddy is NOT reaserch just another abuse case. My prayers go out to his friends and family.

[brite]

indeed, he didn't do ANY research and it was abuse instead of use. But I do think he was addicted to em, just not a physical addiction.

[PT]

i cant imagine someone being addicted to steroids at 22. when something like that happens alot of rumors go around and everyone starts to stretch the truth. 9 month cycles really are not that uncommon so if he was telling you the truth its not really that bad. then again, if he was honest with you it really didnt seem like he knew what he was doing. im sure everyone will blame his death on the steroid use but he probably had heart problems in the past in order to have a heart attack at 22. i would like to know if heart disease ran in his family. now if he didnt know anything about clen and was using that at high doses for a long peroid of time then that could of caused many problems

[Homer 8]

Course you can be addicted to steriods... there are different type of addictions, i think what you mean is that he was not chemically dependent on them.. For alot of people who use steriods its the same as alcohol drug use etc.. it gives people a sense of impowerment they hide behind the big exterior...

Im really sorry to hear about this guy, you see goverments running harm reduction campaigns for all sorts of stuff.. steriods have been around for years and going to stay around for even longer, goverments need to run programmes about harm reduction

[crawdaddy]

My sympathy goes out to this bros family. Agreed, Anything in life can be addictive. As far as government running ads, I beleive this to be extremely traggic but rare and the gov has much larger scale issue to deal with. I'd be very curious to know the final results of the autopsey...whether he had any other medical conditions. And as Homer stated, EDUCATE!

[PT]

i never said that you couldnt become addicted because alot of people do. obviously you cant become phisically addicted but the effects you see when your on a cycle can be so strong the you dont want to quit therefor you become mentally addicted.

[Mazzive_T]

so would you say he directly died as a result of steroid abuse? and will the autops show this?

[brite]

9 month cycles really are not that uncommon so if he was telling you the truth its not really that bad. then again, if he was honest with you it really didnt seem like he knew what he was doing.

What would cause your heart valve to grow in size like that and severly damage yur kidneys and liver.. I think he was using the anadrol for way too long.

[hobbs9963]

Sorry to hear that man.

[Homer 8]

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i never said that you couldnt become addicted because alot of people do. obviously you cant become phisically addicted but the effects you see when your on a cycle can be so strong the you dont want to quit therefor you become mentally addicted.

My comment wasn't aimed at you pietro it was the comment below.
Your right addiction with steriods can be due to gains and the feelings that they represent. I.E how you feel ppl percive you as a bigger person, in a sense it's a false sense of security

That is abuse not use and no REAL knowlage of use. Steroids are NOT addictive and if they are which there are not show me the reaserch. You buddy is NOT reaserch just another abuse case. My prayers go out to his friends and family.

[inky-e]

thats a sad story,i don't know whether roids are addictive or not,but i know from first hand experience the nature of the disease of addiction.this man may very well have been an addict,as addicts we like things that makes us feel "good",and steroids may very well have made him feel good, it could have been the increased strength or the better sex drive who knows.the other day at the gym i approached this young guy,he must have been early 20's,he showed signs that maybe he was juicing,(acne on the back and shoulders and also he had a great physique.)he confided in me that he indeed was on it.i admitted i was on cycle and told him what it was ,in turn he told me his cycle,later that night ,he cam,e over to me and he asked me what was the longest period of time i have done juice .i told him i took breaks in between cycles and did pct.he told me he has been on it for 2 yrs straight!i was surprised to say the least,then he told me he was taking hcg for gyno,his pec and nipple give him pain.wow!although this kid did have a good body,i could only wonder what he would look like if he was being coached by someone with the right knowledge about aas.what it boils down to it for me is that we're adults and we have the ability to make decisions for ourselves,and if we decide to put aas in our bodies we better know the risks along with the benefits,and if ,god forbid,something bad happens,its of our own doing.theres a great responsibility involved with this stuff,nobody puts a gun to our head for us to do it.

[Panzerfaust80]

Sorry to hear that bro, sounds like he was very unresponsible.

[PT]

What would cause your heart valve to grow in size like that and severly damage yur kidneys and liver.. I think he was using the anadrol for way too long.

honestly i dont know because i have never heard of a heart valve growing that large. hypertrophic cardiomyopathies if thats what were talking about here is usually a genatic defect and it usually does kill youn athletes around his age. long term steroid use can also cause congestive heart faliure and many other problems with your heart but at 22 he dosnt fit in there. many things could of caused this and if they do a full autopsy they will find out what happened then they will be able to find out what caused it. its horrible when this happens to someone that young and i for one would like to know what caused it

[inky-e]

Sorry to hear that bro, sounds like he was very unresponsible.

irresponsible....sorry i have issues with proper english.....jk

[taiboxa]

not seeing any of the fallowing complications occuring in as little as 2years unless he
A) already has pre'existing health issues which should of been dealt with at a much younger age
B) He had AN ASSLOAD of money to buy INSANE amounts of aas and run them at extreme doses. Not seeing that occuring unless his parents were rich and his mother bought his aas for him (my mommy buys all my stuff for me LOL for my birfdey she bought me 1200 syringes... i rule!)

[shifty_git]

so would you say he directly died as a result of steroid abuse? and will the autops show this?

Good question T!

[largerthannormal]

This Is Why This Board Is So Helpful To Keep People Informed And Make Sure People Use Them In A Correct Manor! Im Sorry For The Family And The Loss. I Also Think Juice Is As Deadly As Drinking Water...both Can Kill You If Improperly Taken!

[Maldorf]

What would cause your heart valve to grow in size like that and severly damage yur kidneys and liver.. I think he was using the anadrol for way too long.

The medical community prescribes anadrol at a dosage higher than any bodybuilder usually uses, and its taken for long periods of time. Look in any PDR. You are just grasping at straws here.

[Kratos]

Heart valve disease is caused not by a 'wear and tear' phenomenon not growth, your facts are off on that one. I keep trying to picture in my mind what an oversized heart valve would look like, that part of your story just doesn't make sense.

[audis4]

dam, thats has to be tough for the family!

How do we know he wasn't using rec drugs or like everyone else said, had pre-existing health problems?

[AaronJM1984]

Not to be a dick, but this story sounds bogus, sounds like one of those after school commercials aimed at drug use, only this time it's steroids. If it's true then sorry, and I wish his family well. Just my 2 cents.

[perfectbeast2001]

sorry but i gotta say this sounds like BS to me. Unless he was using rec drugs and or large quantities of alcohol i cant see AS doing this in 2 years. Unless his doses were absolutely huge but you would experience terrible sides and would surely visit a doctor before death was imminent....

[taiboxa]

amphetamine based rec drugs get my vote for his early demise

[PT]

Heart valve disease is caused not by a 'wear and tear' phenomenon not growth, your facts are off on that one. I keep trying to picture in my mind what an oversized heart valve would look like, that part of your story just doesn't make sense.

i am willing to bet this is all bull sh@t but im still going along with it. oversized heart valve is rare, usually you have a problem with the valve constricting but it is possible and 9 out of 10 times it is genetics not wear and tear

[Panzerfaust80]

amphetamine based rec drugs get my vote for his early demise

yeah, precisely.. like AHEM... ADDERALL!!

hey tai how do i get a cool quote under my name like u??!

[kick6]

If he took enough steroids to destory his liver in that short period of time, he would have likely had jaundice quite noticably.

[JSola]

OMG I better do some research because I'm running those exact same substances! Plus I'm a heavy drinker. Anyways, I think it's BS. If a scaffold builder could afford to run all those for 2 years straight, then I need to learn about what the hell scaffolding is and how to build it. If this is real, then I am sorry, but I doubt that.

[scaramouche]

i thought this was bs soon as i saw the title, if there was a scenario like that then you couldnt say for sure it was steroid related just as you cant prove cancer deaths are smoking related, the truth is if ur gonna play with fire be damn careful or u WILL get burned

[STED]

anadrol for 2 years or even 9 month straight can not be good! there strong stuff, and even drinkin loadsa water still makes my piss look like irn bru! i dont run them for no longer than 6 weeks at a time.

[Mazzive_T]

Good question T!

because if he did die as a direct result of AAS then its the first case in the world. As Dave Palumbo said "Show me the bodies". This is because theres not bin one case in the whole world of someone dying as a direct result of Steroid Abuse or the side effects of steroid abuse, and that the cause of the death has been linked to, or is ultimatley, down to AAS Usage.

If he did pass away unfortunatley though then we can only hope he Rests In Peace.

God Bless his friends and family.

[rager]

That is indeed a sad story. The ironic thinng is there are thousands of others stories where people have been on for a lot longer than he was and they are perfectly fine. He may have been on many other things that you have no clue about. These wrestlers that die are on more pain killer and Anti E and rec drugs than they are juice..

[hugovsilva]

I could bet my girlfriend's mother this story is BS.

[d smooth]

Damn sorry bro.

[football2007]

Clen for 9 months straight?

Eek.

I hate that crap...but for 9 months? wtf

[brite]

I'm not making this story up, I didn't get any more info but I think I'll get some more details tomorrow.

I did hear a rumour from other colleages that he used Amphetamins as well, but I think a phonecall too his doctor will clear that up somewhere next week.

I'll keep you updated

[brite]

can't find any info about oversized heart valves and steroid use..

[IntenseAthlete]

My brother died under simliar circumstances enlarged heart/liver failure and he abused steroids but it was only part of the problem.He also abused alcohol and drugs not to mention his bulking diet was fast food based.He told the doctors everything and they were much more concerned about the drugs and alcohol than the steroids.The doctor said to me straight up"Your brother may have used steroids and they may have excellerated the problems but that elarged heart is from Alcohol and cocaine"
Rip Travis 1970-2002


So I believe there is more to this story.

[meathead320]

Hi people,

I'm posting here just to tell a little story...

I'm posting here just to tell a little story about what is going on at work at the moment. I'm a human resources manager at large building projects in the netherlands and abroad.

Then I asked him what kind of steroids he was doing at the moment, and this is what came up..

Anadrol 50
Test C
Winny's
Clenbuterol
Deca

I will humor you, ...

The story, really if you look at it, and really thin about it, is a good argument, FOR doctors being able to prescribe steroids for pursuits of vanity, muscle building, and strength.

Why? That seems counter argument right?

Well, had he been using steroids, WITH a doctors supervision, then this would not have happened to him.

If there had been a board certified medical doctor, monitoring him for the more dangerous side effects, especially of high doses and non-stop use, then they could have seen this coming a mile away.

I am not sure what the steroid laws are in the Netherlands, but my guess is it is still not legal for a physician to prescribe them for uses outside of needed therapy.

Therein lays the problem.

If he was using massive doses of all of the substances, for 2 years straight, I would be surprised if he had not caused a lot of harm. Clen alone at high doses can cause major problems, and Anadrol-50 can increase BP, and RBC very high when used for long time periods at high doses.

Both of those have medical uses, even long term uses, in patient who need the effects. If someone had lost a lot of body weight, and had trouble making RBC on their own, Anadrol-50 may be on the list of medicines.

Anyhow, back to my point.

Your story is NOT justification for the prohibition of steroid use, but to the contrary, is strong justification to re-legalize them, and put the use back in the hands of physicians and their patients, even for pursuits of vanity.


What I do find curious, about the legitimacy of your story, is to my knowledge, testosterone-Cypionate is not common in Europe (someone correct me if I am wrong on that), and there Enanthate is the more often prescribed ester of test as well.

That being the case for the circulating medically produced types of test, add to that; the UGL forms of test, rarely make cyp, as it crashes easily, and Enanthate is interchangeable with it anyway, and it is an easier compound to work with. Meaning that in Europe, Enanthate, I would expect, to be vastly more common the cyp.

However, you claim he was using cyp, for 2 years straight.

[J*U*icEd]

you know shit happens, i feel really bad for this fella and his family... and as tai said there must have been preexisting conditions or other drugs that brought this man to his demise.... and for all you who don't think steroids are addicting think again, they are very addicting.... the feeling of well-being, the natural high, the self-image, and increased self-esteem are all very addictive factors associated with the use of AAS....