Amorphic's cycle critiques

[Amorphic]

Sup boys. I am planning on starting my first cycle next may. Some background information:

21 years old, 5'10, 210 pounds, all natural. Bodyfat around 14-15%. Been bulking naturally for about a year and a half now and will begin priming for my cycle in the next few months.

Planning on running one of these two cycles, not the standard 500mg of test a week for 12, so i wont need suggestions on whether to run that or not.

Cycle 1

test e 500mg/w 1-14
deca 400mg/w 1-12

ancillaries on hand: arimidex and letro in case of any estrogenic/progesterone related sides.

Cycle 2

test prop 75mg/ed 1-8 (or possibily 1-10)
tren ace 75mg/ed 1-8

same ancillaries on hand as first.

PCT will be according to Anthony Roberts' pct for both.

Reason for choosing these cycles:

These will be lean bulking cycles with diet and cardio in check with the goal of 15 pounds + with a drop in bodyfat. I am personally leaning towards running the test prop and tren cycle as i would like the immediate effects and shorter duration of time on cycle, as well as the ability to have the nor clear out of my system and being able to start pct after my last shot.

My question is this: which would you choose? I like the idea of having a shorter stronger cycle that clears out quickly. i dont really like the idea of having a nor group in my system for upwards of 14 weeks +pct.

Do you think the tren/prop cycle is worth the value? (i am taking price into consideration here and the prop/tren cycle is more expensive than the test/deca)

I will be placing a few small orders with my source of the next couple months to stock up on my gear for cycle and would like to get going around next week.

Thanks.

Amorphic

[facile]

personally, I like the prop/tren cycle better, I am leaner, stronger and a bit more aggressive, but as far as sides go with tren, night sweats are the only thing I have to contend with. I have done 2 deca/ent cycles and when I look back at the photos, I look so bloated, especially compared to my photos while on tren, hands down the tren cycle I looked far better.

Of course cardio becomes very difficult for me on tren, I have trouble doing anything with high intensity.

so, it will be interesting to hear the opinions of others.

[Titleist]

I tend to stay out of this section, because it's the same hum-drum shit, but you've put in your time researching and helping other people, so you get to hear my expertise.

Anyhow, I'm not a huge fan of either cycle; I'll tell you why:

I can't stand Deca. Nandrolone D. shut me down hard and the effects lingered throughout PCT and beyond. I'm not sure why it affected me this way, but I've had enough Deca for a lifetime. Honestly, I didn't feel back to my normal self until about 4-5 months after my PCT. The ester is just too long (for me), IMO. The gains from Deca are great, I just hate the sexual sides. If I decide to use Nandrolone again, it will be NPP. I mean, you should try it for yourself, just on down the road.

If I were you, I would consider sticking with one compound. I know it's preached and parroted everywhere, but it does hold some merit. Having only one compound means you know exactly where the sides are coming from. Also, more importantly, you are going to blow up with your first. Adding another compound doesn't necessarily mean that the gains will be that much better.

Personally, I'd save the Deca/Tren for the future. Between the two, I'd go with Tren, hands down - Just get ready for the sides.

I've come to find that HCG use makes recovery much easier. I think it is a must with 19-Nors. Cabergoline certainly wouldn't hurt as well. It really spices up the bedroom.

All of that said, my recommendation would be the basic Test E or C with an oral in the beginning or towards the end. Your goals in mind, I'd go with Winstrol, Anavar, or Tbol as your oral.

That's my ramble.

[Amorphic]

Much appreciated Titleist

[Titleist]

Sure.

I should have made it more clear, out of the two cycles you have lined out, I would go with #2. You may lower the Tren dose, assess tolerance, then possibly bump it up, but it doesn't take much. 50mg/ED should be plenty. I'd run the Test 10 weeks and the Tren 8. You will love the gains, just be ready for the sides, and pinning everyday.

I'll check back in to see what you go with.

[Merc..]

I tend to stay out of this section, because it's the same hum-drum shit, but you've put in your time researching and helping other people, so you get to hear my expertise.

Anyhow, I'm not a huge fan of either cycle; I'll tell you why:

I can't stand Deca. Nandrolone D. shut me down hard and the effects lingered throughout PCT and beyond. I'm not sure why it affected me this way, but I've had enough Deca for a lifetime. Honestly, I didn't feel back to my normal self until about 4-5 months after my PCT. The ester is just too long (for me), IMO. The gains from Deca are great, I just hate the sexual sides. If I decide to use Nandrolone again, it will be NPP. I mean, you should try it for yourself, just on down the road.

If I were you, I would consider sticking with one compound. I know it's preached and parroted everywhere, but it does hold some merit. Having only one compound means you know exactly where the sides are coming from. Also, more importantly, you are going to blow up with your first. Adding another compound doesn't necessarily mean that the gains will be that much better.

Personally, I'd save the Deca/Tren for the future. Between the two, I'd go with Tren, hands down - Just get ready for the sides.

I've come to find that HCG use makes recovery much easier. I think it is a must with 19-Nors. Cabergoline certainly wouldn't hurt as well. It really spices up the bedroom.

All of that said, my recommendation would be the basic Test E or C with an oral in the beginning or towards the end. Your goals in mind, I'd go with Winstrol, Anavar, or Tbol as your oral.

That's my ramble.

I agree .... You might want to consider just test for your first run... Put your time into planing your training , and diet ..



Merc.

[Johny-too-small]

You'll explode from a test only cycle, bro. Not to mention you'll enjoy it!

Tren is not an easy ride, save that for down the road. Dont worry, you have a long time to run all the cycles you want.

[Lexed]

I agree with johnny..... running tren on first cycle might give u good gaines but its too unpredictable. WHy dont you just use dbol as a kickstart and some test. No need for deca yet. Love Lex

[basshead69]

A simple test cycle for your first for sure running Tren in your first cycle is not a good idea. You will blow up on test e or cyp throw in some d-bols for the first 4 weeks and you'll be a monster. Save the tren for you next cycle winter is a good time to bulk then you can run the tren on your spring cutting cycle jmo. Good luck and let us know how it goes

[Booz]

I tend to stay out of this section, because it's the same hum-drum shit, but you've put in your time researching and helping other people, so you get to hear my expertise.

Anyhow, I'm not a huge fan of either cycle; I'll tell you why:

I can't stand Deca. Nandrolone D. shut me down hard and the effects lingered throughout PCT and beyond. I'm not sure why it affected me this way, but I've had enough Deca for a lifetime. Honestly, I didn't feel back to my normal self until about 4-5 months after my PCT. The ester is just too long (for me), IMO. The gains from Deca are great, I just hate the sexual sides. If I decide to use Nandrolone again, it will be NPP. I mean, you should try it for yourself, just on down the road.

If I were you, I would consider sticking with one compound. I know it's preached and parroted everywhere, but it does hold some merit. Having only one compound means you know exactly where the sides are coming from. Also, more importantly, you are going to blow up with your first. Adding another compound doesn't necessarily mean that the gains will be that much better.

Personally, I'd save the Deca/Tren for the future. Between the two, I'd go with Tren, hands down - Just get ready for the sides.

I've come to find that HCG use makes recovery much easier. I think it is a must with 19-Nors. Cabergoline certainly wouldn't hurt as well. It really spices up the bedroom.

All of that said, my recommendation would be the basic Test E or C with an oral in the beginning or towards the end. Your goals in mind, I'd go with Winstrol, Anavar, or Tbol as your oral.

That's my ramble.

preach on brother................

[Kingweb50]

If you are set on running 2 things and want it to clear out faster then deca have you thought about npp?

[Amorphic]

If you are set on running 2 things and want it to clear out faster then deca have you thought about npp?

yes, i would be running npp if my source had it. domestic in canada only has deca unfortunately.

[305GUY]

Id choose Test, Deca, with a Dbol kickstart.

[Amorphic]

decisions decisions...luckily i still have until May before this is all up and running. Hard to make up my mind now. Keep the suggestions coming guys. thanks.

[Amorphic]

bump for any more critiques

[Big]

test only brother, I think you already know that's the right answer.

[SMCengineer]

You can do all the research you want, but until you actually experience it you have no idea how it effects you. So test only is definitely the way to go.

[Dog-Slime]

Im gonna bump the test only idea. There is only a certain amount of muscle you can gain on any cycle regardless of how many compounds you throw in there. If your diet and training are in check you can easily get this "max" amount of muscle with test only on a first cycle. You dont want to run a nor on your first cycle. Trust me.

[millionairemurph]

With as much as you know, i think you will end up making the decision that is right for you. You could start off with 4 weeks of prop and then if you are comfortable there start the tren..... but safety says just test. Im sure you know all the sides of tren... and they arent over rated if you ask me, they are real as hell

[IntenseAthlete]

test only brother, I think you already know that's the right answer.

^^^^^^^^^amen ...........prop...works faster,less bloat,easier to come off.
Only bad thing pinning, but if you can make it through a clen cycle then injections are easy

[godkilla]

no use "jumping in the deep end" right off the bat. i gotta beat the old test only for your first cycle war drum here. makes sense in so many ways and you alrdy know this besides, what kind of a first cycle would it be if deca/tren shut you down real hard on your first go.

[sitries]

test only is all you need for ur 1st cycle. i dont understand why ppl feel the need to run two compounds for their 1st cycle. you blow up and get 30lbs. so no need for tren or deca

[Dizz28]

I still do Test only cycles. I have absolutely no bad sides from Test only cycles. With a jump start of Dbol or Drol of course, but nothing else run with it.

[RBIZZY]

yeah, with your hight and wieght and bf% i would deff do the prop and tren cycle first. you already got size, so i would try to get lean and hard first and then after that bulk a little more..... both look like good cycles. good luck brother, let us know how it goes!

[No One Knows]

I've ran both cycles. Aside from having to shoot ED, Tren owns Deca. Deca gets me too fat and bloated, where as on Tren I could literally eat anything I want and still felt like i was losing fat and getting stronger.

If you want to look like the staypuft marshmallow go with the first one. Personally I like the lean dry gains from Tren

[Amorphic]

comments appreciated guys. a final bump for any more imput.

[Big]

comments appreciated guys. a final bump for any more imput.

I think the roid store is having a sale...

[Amorphic]

I think the roid store is having a sale...

get out of my thread!

[RBIZZY]

what ever you go with, i would shoot for lean mass and density....big mofos get respect but big cut up mofos are envied! good luck bro

[Amorphic]

Thanks for the imput guys.

The cycle will be:

Test prop 75mg/ed 1-10
Tren ace 75mg/ed 1-8

I will adjust the tren dose accordingly if the sides are too much for me to handle.
ED pinning is not a problem for me, so i am not worried about the shots.

I will have letro and caber on hand to deal with progesterone/prolactin issues if required.

PCT following Anthony Roberts' guidelines.

I will let you all know how it turns out when i start next May. Comments much appreciated.

[200byjune]

have you come to a conclusion yet may is right around the corner

[Amorphic]

have you come to a conclusion yet may is right around the corner

yes. i have everything on hand, just counting down the days.

1-12 test prop 75mg/ed
1-11 NPP 75mg/ed

i have arimidex on hand in case of any estrogen problems.

pct is nolva, aromasin and hcg.

all thats left to do is wait till May 1.

cycle log etc to come as well when the time comes.

[lex57]

yes. i have everything on hand, just counting down the days.

1-12 test prop 75mg/ed
1-11 NPP 75mg/ed

i have arimidex on hand in case of any estrogen problems.

pct is nolva, aromasin and hcg.

all thats left to do is wait till May 1.

cycle log etc to come as well when the time comes.

i hate to throw a little wrench in your wheel but i would at least get some letro, if not caber for progesterone sides. i have letro on hand as i am running pretty much the same as you right now, i am not gyno prone but just in case. i am not 100% sure about letro related to progesterone sides but i think it is effective, i hope i dont have to find out.

[Amorphic]

i hate to throw a little wrench in your wheel but i would at least get some letro, if not caber for progesterone sides. i have letro on hand as i am running pretty much the same as you right now, i am not gyno prone but just in case. i am not 100% sure about letro related to progesterone sides but i think it is effective, i hope i dont have to find out.

i'll keep that in mind, you can never be too cautious when it comes to gyno.

[lex57]

werd

[hugovsilva]

You find yourself ready for ed poking?

Did all that pinning pratice pay off?

I like your cycle. After this one I will be running within a month that is what i'll do.

Good luck with that bro.

[Amorphic]

You find yourself ready for ed poking?

Did all that pinning pratice pay off?

I like your cycle. After this one I will be running within a month that is what i'll do.

Good luck with that bro.

haha, yes it did. i think i can handle it...i guess we'll find out when i start poking myself more frequently.

[kostakv]

your using tren in your first cycle?

[Amorphic]

your using tren in your first cycle?

no, look above at what i posted for what i have and am doing

npp and prop.

[SMCengineer]

At least you went with NPP and not Tren. I still think you'd be very happy with just Test. There's really no reason for any other aas at this point, but it's really up to you. Good luck and keep us updated.