eq only

[liftin2xtremz]

i have had my mind on a eq only cycle, and i kno its slow acting ect ect... my questions are im thinking 500mg a week split monday n thursday and between 16 - 20 week which 20 weeks will take me to teh end of august.. is this ok? and if it helps last summer i did 600mg a week of primo only with nice results

[hugovsilva]

I would run it at 600mg for 20 weeks. Some people react very well to eq while others don't. I would expect the same kind of results as with primo.

[100m champ]

thats a long time to run Eq 12-14 is pleanty at 400-600mg Ew.

[ChuckLee]

I would run it at 600mg for 20 weeks. Some people react very well to eq while others don't. I would expect the same kind of results as with primo.

Quite venutring advice since we don't know his stats yet.

CL

[liftin2xtremz]

5'10 28 years old 205 pounds.. and have many cycles under my belt... been off since last summer

[liftin2xtremz]

anyone? and from above it seems ok and more benifitial to frontload the eq

[romo6]

I have ran eq about 5 times.My first run i did not front load my 2nd i did.I quit front loading alltogether.It is a long ester but it did not seem to make a difference.Just let it run its coarse i like 20 weeks at 600 mg.

[liftin2xtremz]

im thinkn 500mg a week because what i have is 250 mg per so its just easier.. i just dont wanna over do the length of the cycle

[Njord]

I have ran eq about 5 times.My first run i did not front load my 2nd i did.I quit front loading alltogether.It is a long ester but it did not seem to make a difference.Just let it run its coarse i like 20 weeks at 600 mg.

Did you run eq by itself? I'm kinda curious to how suppressive eq is?

[romo6]

Yes 500 will work fine truthfully i have ran it at 400 and liked it.I do always run test with everything.But you will do just fine.

[ChuckLee]

EQ is quite mild and very low androgenic, no aromatization and no heavy suppression

CL

[liftin2xtremz]

me personally i did eq alone once but later added prop only because my friend talked me into it, and that i kept mild 2 shots a week at i think 100mg per it was 5 years ago i dont remember.. but i was startn 2 get verry vascular and tight on eq alone and mister woody felt fine if that helps any

[liftin2xtremz]

my main concern is teh length or 20 weeks.. 16 sure no problem but 20 im iffy about and not sure if frontloading is a plus here or not i keep gettnig mixed reviews

[Njord]

If EQ doesn't aromatize and doesn't cause total HPTA shutdown, why don't we hear more about longer eq only cycles?

[romo6]

Yes it is suppressive it has a chemical make up very close to testosterone but it is not test.Your hpta will shut down.

[liftin2xtremz]

i think because most people dont want to wait on teh super slow results??? maybe?

[ChuckLee]

If EQ doesn't aromatize and doesn't cause total HPTA shutdown, why don't we hear more about longer eq only cycles?

Simple. It doesn't worth the cost. Same with Primo
Usually EQ is more expensive than powerful compounds such deca or tren

CL

[ChuckLee]

i think because most people dont want to wait on the super slow results??? maybe?

Another reason too

[Njord]

Yes it is suppressive it has a chemical make up very close to testosterone but it is not test.Your hpta will shut down.

So you are saying eq will shut down your hpta just like test will?

[liftin2xtremz]

and if your like me and just want 2 get vascular and can wait and are lean and dont expect super size lol... youll prob like it.. like every one says its all diet...


just have 2 ask... if i do get impatient can i add test mid way threw??? maybe prop( dont want bloat) min mg's

[ChuckLee]

So you are saying eq will shut down your hpta just like test will?

Even a tab of anavar could shut down someone's HPTA funcition, but here we're talking more realistic, so IMHO EQ is not so heavy to take alone. Worthless anyway imo

[romo6]

hey not saying i would not run it by itself that would be cool but i like running 3 or 4 compounds at the same time.

[liftin2xtremz]

Another reason too

Even a tab of anavar could shut down someone's HPTA funcition, but here we're talking more realistic, so IMHO EQ is not so heavy to take alone. Worthless anyway imo

maybe to a big guy( muscle not fat) but to some one who is natural tone and just wants to add lean quality keepable muscle with added hardness and vascular wouldnt it be a good benifit??? and its def better then taking nothing at all or some gnc stuff .... am i wrong?

[ChuckLee]

I'd anyway start a simple cycle with a test base, even low like 200-300mg per week.
So with a lean diet and an AI every 2nd day for the bloat (minimal anyway at that low dose of test) you'll gain even more mass along with hrdness and vascularity.

Something like this:
Test C : 16 weeks @ 300mg/week
EQ : 16 weeks @ 600mg/week

CL

[liftin2xtremz]

thats an idea, could i get away with prop at 200 mg a week and put it in with teh eq on 100mg monday and 100mg thursday??? last but not least could i start eq only and then decide after a few weeks if i need teh test???

[ChuckLee]

Why prop? you have to inject it at least eod, means better ed.
Switch to a long estered test, as I said.
Starting exogenous test when you will need (and I figure you mean when you feel EQ is suppressing you) will only worsen the situation, so start them together or don't start them at all.

CL

[liftin2xtremz]

no no ... what i ment is in terms of im not liking my results or want more size ect, woul dthat matter? and your making my choice harder lol... i allready have the eq here and want to start today

[ChuckLee]

EQ will take 5/7 weeks to show some results as it's one of the longer esters, so it probably will already be late to introduce test if that gains won't satisfy your expectations...
Believe me, test in a steroid cycle is NEVER a bad idea, it can only bring you more gains, avoiding the sides of course.

CL

[audis4]

you've done many cycles and you weigh 205?

[liftin2xtremz]

i hate over thinking this stuff.. i usually bloat and i dont want that this year lol... maybe front load ? sorry for keeping this going

[liftin2xtremz]

you've done many cycles and you weigh 205?

yupyup i was 220 3 months ago just started to diet down and when i started juice i was 155 so yea i have a nice base now and im trying to keep mild my goal isnt to get huge.. let me give a good example of what my goal is these days... ever watch blade 3?? ryan reynolds.. id be happy with that type of body( just an example)

[ChuckLee]

i hate over thinking this stuff.. i usually bloat and i dont want that this year lol... maybe front load ? sorry for keeping this going

C'mon dude, pass over it you won't bloat with 200mg of test per week!
Keep your diect strict and the sodium low, drink gallons and you'll be amazed from the results!
BTW you can frontload both test and EQ doubleing the doses the first week

CL

[liftin2xtremz]

lol so your saying one shot of lets say sus250 and 500mg of eq will be fine??? then what sus for 8 weeks and eq for 16 total? remember bloat is a issue and massive size is not the goal

[ChuckLee]

Are you kiddin' me?
NO SUS, A LONG ESTER, cyp or enan!!!
You have just to get back to post #24
And don't worry, it's not so easy to become massive.
And again, don't worry about bloat too, keep low test at 200mg/week and EQ at 500/600mg/week.
Finally, run them both at the SAME DURATION, 16weeks of test and 16 of EQ

Pretty cleared now????

[liftin2xtremz]

lol yes verry helpfull , i guess ill wait a week so i can get some test.. and i never took cyp or enan before which one is better for a first timer on them on least bloat? this is my last question i swear lol

p.s thank you for all the input and time u spend helping me

[liftin2xtremz]

i just read the profiles section and test e seems best hope i got that rite

[BG]

Believe me, test in a steroid cycle is NEVER a bad idea, it can only bring you more gains, avoiding the sides of course.

CL

I disagree, by adding test your making your chances of suppression increase. Now I use test (much lower dosages then I used to) in my cycles but Ive seen friends never recover, so for you to say NEVER a bad idea, well I dont think you respect testosterone negative abilities.

[BG]

As far as the question at hand, I would only run a replacement dosage at best if you we rent looking into getting into test again. I kinda like the idea if eq only....well maybe some proviron (a must really) and some b-12. A lite pct and you should be good. EQ is a test-derivative, meaning its just the test molecule changed differently in one or two spots, it slow to aromize so there would be a need for a small pct. You could always run some L-dex, this will put your estrogen worries rest and may help your natural test keep going ( because its none to raise natural levels).

[liftin2xtremz]

now im interested in the thought behind this , what is a replacement dose? are you talikng about test?

[LivingToBeBig]

Out of curiousity what do you think the gains would be off a 14 - 16week eq cycle ( I know diet, rest, workout bases it cant be exact) but if you were to say generally? 10lbs+ and drop in bf?