Test Enan. HELP needed?????

[brnxbomers]

hey guys.... this is my 1 st cycle using gear/test e. so i decided to go ahead with the classic beginner cycle of Test E 500 mg/week @ 10 weeks.

Well so far im am towards the end of my 5th week and i ve seen very little changes...i've gained some strength on all my lifts...maybe thats cuz im working every group twice a week for the past five weeks...size wise my arms still look skinny as usual and my calves arent growing either.

i conducted my first 3 shots in the gluts using 1" poker after week 3 i switched to side delts for better absorption purposes. anyway, i ll be continuing on the delts...my next poke is day after tomorrow.

As far as weight gain....before starting test E i was fluctuating between 149 and 150lbs....and this week i've weighed as low as 155 and as high as 160...round about 157 lbs in the middle of the day?

but im not seeing that "tackle the bus type of power" i do feel energetic...IF IM FULLY RESTED...im working out to fatigue everytime...i dont even get sore anymore...but wtf is goin on i was expecting to be around 170 lbs with quality muscle...so far only a some weight gain and what it seems like little or no change in muscle size.


Btw the gear im using is ROTEXMEDICA from Germany 250mg/ampule. Im pretty sure its 100% legit. So why am i not seeing what i want? dont get me wrong im not trying to get huge but atleast a couple of inches every where.

Do i just need to be patient and follow the cycle thru or up the dose????

please help i want to get some good results rite now im pissed. Why isnt this shit working?

literally my weight fluctuates from 156.8-160. Why is there a fluctuation??? the most i've weighed do far is 160.00lbs but like i said it drops. plus i havent seen any noticible size change. please help guys. Whats going on

[shifty_git]

Whats ya age and other stats?

150lb is WAY to light to be starting aas. imo

But 10lbs in 5 weeks on a long estered test is within normal ranges.

Post ya diet as well.

[ecto9]

I would just like to say that I've heard very good things about that gear and plan on doing a cycle of that brand myself soon. 5wks is about the time it should be "kicking in" as they say, so your fine. BTW that gear is as smooth as butter eh? Keep us posted and be patient bro.

On another note don't be so worried about weight fluctuations as it is not always such a good indicator of progress. I weigh myself twice a day just for reference and find in the morning, weight is always 3-4lbs lighter than in the evening.

Cheers

[hobbs9963]

It'll start working soon. Be patient, you're ok.

[sager85]

I'm on Test E 500mg a week aswell with some other added things. But I'm starting week 6, and nothing before but the last couple days big time improvement.. I'm sure yours will kick in soon. They say peak is 7-8 weeks

[Budk024]

Absolutely some people dont even notice any changes until their 6th or 7th week in and this is due to the long enanthate ester. This is also why many frontload or begin their cycle with an oral to basically jump start it. Be patient but 150 does seem kind of light to start cycleing. What are your stats?

[brnxbomers]

im 24 yrs old im 5'7" been working out for alomost 9 years all natural.
naturally lean 10-13 % bf at the most. 150 is decent for a dude of my frame. i've researched alot so this seems like a good fit for a responsible, dedicated guy like me. Im passionate. im not on a body building diet but i get my protien in. Like i said i jus want to be in 170 and gain legit size not look bloated and fat.

here's my workout schedule. ever since i started test i dont take any days off.

Mon
shoulder/claves

Tue
Quads/ hams

Wed
Chest/tri/bi

Thu
Back/ Abs

Fri
shoulder/claves

Sat
Quads/ hams

Sun
Chest/tri/bi

i do this with the exception of my hamstring and chest im never sore at all. and i hit it Hard. period

[brnxbomers]

Ditto i jus did my 6th poke today....Week 6 is underway

[hobbs9963]

OK, you need to get in the workout and diet forum. First, you're routine is in need of a lot of help and you definetely need rest. How can you possible workout everyday and expect gains?? Don't want to sound like an a##hole but seriously man.

[xderekx]

at that weight bro, you need to eat like a beast...every 2.5 to 3 hours.

[brnxbomers]

well what do u suggest hobbs9963...i want to hit everything twice a week. how can i rest? even if i were to take a day off i the middle thats like doing 3 muscle groups everyday day then i could take thursday off and start again on friday....that i cannot do...thats too much. what do u suggest im open to suggestions?

[Jfew44]

Hit each bodypart once a week but hit it hard

[brnxbomers]

Hit each bodypart once a week but hit it hard

i wanna know everyone's thoughts on this boys opinion. i've heard that while on aas u need to work harder...plus i had a buddy who did test/deca/dbol and told me he never took a day off...anyway im always working out year round....most of the time...i do one muscle group each day with some light cardio...but now since aas is in the picture...it make sense to train a bit more intense/regular...anyway im only corcerned about overtraining...cuz then u dont see results period...but as long as im not over training...if u guys think im overtraining let me know cuz ill consider your opinions...and maybe switch to workin every group once a week....hard

[Big]

You don't grow in the gym, you need recovery and rest to grow.

[brnxbomers]

sorry bro that does'nt help me much...i do rest plenty i sleep well every night and even take short day naps...so i dont think rest is the problem here...and yes i know u need rest...im not some high school kid who just started working out. so if u think i need to train less intense...please say it. ps dont give me generalizations..we're all veteran lifters here pal. i need solid advice not weight lifting 101...look at my regimen even though i train every day there is more than enuff rest days for eac group to recover.

[Big]

Good luck, I'm out of this one.

[brnxbomers]

thanks for your time bro...so everything look ok then u guys?

[hobbs9963]

well what do u suggest hobbs9963...i want to hit everything twice a week. how can i rest? even if i were to take a day off i the middle thats like doing 3 muscle groups everyday day then i could take thursday off and start again on friday....that i cannot do...thats too much. what do u suggest im open to suggestions?

Didn't BIG say it bro? I'm trying to help but you need to reciprocate.

[Manorexic]

you need time to grow..... generally i hit things so hard i have to wait a week or my strength is gone.... i personally like the 8 day split, ive been doing it for years and cant stop growing....

[brnxbomers]

so are u saying do one body part each day then??? or two and take the weekend off??

[hobbs9963]

brnxbomers- we are here to help if we can.

[brnxbomers]

well thats I why ask....each bodypart once a week then??? lol

[Manorexic]

what works best for me when i am just trying to get big is
monday
chest
tuesday
back
wed
off
thurs
shoulders
friday
arms
sat
off
sun
legs
monday
off
and then i start my rountine again on tuesday..... sometimes ill do tris and bis on seperate days, and start even a day later ,but this is pretty much my "go to" routine

[brnxbomers]

whats wrong with my routine...u still get rest before u hit it again? is it really that much of a red flagger???

Also Manorexic, how many sets do u conduct and how many exercises....i do three exercises each group and a net of 10 sets

maybe you're a mezomorph body type im acto. but let me know

[hobbs9963]

OK, You're trying bro and i like that. You're routine isn't bad but if you're not getting gains then maybe you need to change up. Why don't you combine arms with shoulders sometimes? Shocking your system is key. IMO

[brnxbomers]

well i change up the exercise sometimes...jus starting to do that...so ya mixing is good..i guess...i jus added a new shoulder exercise...so yes im trying very hard. trust me as far as effort is concerned i give a 105%

[RANA]

Brnx,
Everyone is different on there workouts, there are a lot of workouts I have done that have not worked for me. It took me years to find what works for me. It does sound like you need to include a day or two of rest. This is only my example that works for me.

Mon
Chest/shoulders

Tues
Back/arms

Weds
Legs/traps

Thurs
Rest

Fri
back/arms

Sat
legs/traps

Sun
Chest/Shoulders

Mon
rest

etc...

I hit body parts twice a week and have 4-6 days of rest for that body part before hitting it again. Plus I still take a day off every third day.

As for BIG advice take it, he is wicked smart in all these forums...trust me if you stay here long enough you will be asking him for help.

[brnxbomers]

i see what u mean...but there's no way i could do legs all in one day i'd be too exhausted...even if u look at my program...though i dont take any days off as such...but while im working other parts out...the ones worked out before are resting anyway i dont hit them until 3 days from their previous workout...the way i work out is i pick one big muscle group and combine it with a smaller one...i cant do 2 big muscle groups in one day....anyway let me know your opinion...if this is gonna hinder my growth or recovery i make a change otherwise let me know?

[spiromik]

i know many of u will say im over training but this is wat works for me...
used to do 1 body part a day.. it was good
but when i did the following i just exploded with size and strength and i havnt even done my first cycle cant wait when i do its coming up shortly.

it is time consuming anywhere for 1 1/2 hrs to 2 1/2 hrs a day at the gym. but u feel good after.

in the first half of the week i do sets of low sets of 5-10
2nd half of the week high sets of 12-15
for chest and back i do 5 exercise of 4-5 sets each
for shoulder and arms i do 4 excercises 4 sets each
and the usual leg workout 8 sets squats, 4 sets legs press, 4 set leg ext, 4 sets hamstring curls, 4sets stiff leg dead, and calves

monday chest/back
tuesday shoulders/ legs in the afternoon
wednesday bi's/tri's
thursday chest/back
friday shoulders
saturday bi's/tri's legs in the afternoon
sunday rest

monday chest/tris
tuesday back/bis
wedneday shoulder/legs
thursday chest/tris
friday back/ bis
saturday shoulders/legs

and also do abs every 2nd day

[RANA]

i know many of u will say im over training but this is wat works for me...
I have been lifting since I was 16, I usually never had multiple rest weeks. There have been numerous types of training that I have conducted. When I was younger I ran a lot so I was extremely lean. I also power lifted in high school. I also cycled (rode bike) for a few years and swam a lot (tri-athlons). But over the last 6-7 years I have mainly focused on lifting...used to do 1 body part a day.. it was good
but when i did the following i just exploded with size and strength and i havnt even done my first cycle cant wait when i do its coming up shortly.

it is time consuming anywhere for 1 1/2 hrs to 2 1/2 hrs a day at the gym. but u feel good after.

in the first half of the week i do sets of low sets of 5-10
2nd half of the week high sets of 12-15
for chest and back i do 5 exercise of 4-5 sets each
for shoulder and arms i do 4 excercises 4 sets each
and the usual leg workout 8 sets squats, 4 sets legs press, 4 set leg ext, 4 sets hamstring curls, 4sets stiff leg dead, and calves

monday chest/back
tuesday shoulders/ legs in the afternoon
wednesday bi's/tri's
thursday chest/back
friday shoulders
saturday bi's/tri's legs in the afternoon
sunday rest

monday chest/tris
tuesday back/bis
wedneday shoulder/legs
thursday chest/tris
friday back/ bis
saturday shoulders/legs

and also do abs every 2nd day

Glad to hear you found what works for you. Some people would disagree with your workout BUT like you stated "this is wat works for me..." and that is the key is to know what YOUR body will grown on.

[Manorexic]

there is no predetermined amount of sets or reps in this routine ... a chest day could consist of 12 sets of flat 7 sets of incline 3 sets of dips 5 sets of pullover and 5 sets of flys..... or it could be 4 sets of each.... i take everything on a day by day basis.... but im sure no one will disagree with me saying you got to do what works best for YOU....

[jonnsbig]

Its finding out through many many workouts what works and what doesnt. Finding the ultimate training workout is very hard for me, I wont stop and I do see results.

[brnxbomers]

im probably gonna move abs to wed and back to mon: so i can take thursday off??

here is the new modified routine so i get a day off: i jus started week 6. so ill put this into action next week if necessary..but here it is:

Mon
shoulder/claves/Back

Tue
abs/Quads/ hams

Wed
Chest/tri/bi

Thu
off

Fri
shoulder/claves/back

Sat
Quads/ hams

Sun
Chest/tri/bi/abs

Mon
Rest

let me know?

[angelo999]

hey man im using the test E too
i saw u were having problems w gains and routines
i was having the same problems so i changed my workout
i could only hit the gym mon-thur. i dont believe you have to work muscles twice a week to build muscle, i didnt look at your routine but you could be working body parts partially one day and using them for your next workout the following day, so your not fully recovering and simply over working your body.

[brnxbomers]

ok i have to workout saturday cuz i do my poke that day. im not gonna jus chill and let the shit sit in my body....anyway i gonna incorporate rest...so this is what i decided on....im on the 3 day of week 6 so its monday..instead of hitt every thing twice im gonna hit everything once and take 2 days off...

so far...(week 6- modified version working each part only once!!)
sat - shoulders/calves
sun - quads/hams
mon- chest
tue- back/abs
wed- bi/tri
thu-off
fri- off[/B]

week 7 ( now im gonna start working everything twice with rest day included)

Sat
Chest/calves/Shoulders

Sun
abs/Quads/ hams

Mon
Back/tri/bi

Tue
off

Wed
Chest/calves/Shoulders

Thu
Abs/Quads/ hams

Fri
back/tri/bi

Sat (this is my poke day so i dont want to take it off...but so far it falls under the rest day rotation so mite as well be it
Rest

anyway this is the best i can come up with fellas im taking 2 days off this week...but i guess i need rest BTW i've always heard while on AAS u dont need rest...and u can workout as much as u want? or is that jus a myth?? i thought recovery wasnt an issue here???? especially with test E??

also its gonna be a bitch trying to do 3 muscle groups a day??? any suggestions

[mikeymonsterdong]

Your over training your body working groups twice a week. I wouldnt do shoulders and chest in the same day like that. The reason you have no gains is because your not allowing your muscle to repair itself when your tearing them in the gym. Here is what I do and others feel free to provide feedback

Monday Arms Bi and Tri / Cardio

Tues Shoulders/ Abs/ Cardio

Wed Cardio Only

Thurs Back/ Abs / Cardio

Friday Chest / Cardio

Sat Legs/ Cardio/ Abs

Sunday Off completely

[angelo999]

once a week! im currently using the same stuff
idk how u could do back tris bis all together...
cant u break up your exercises? how many times can u go wkly?

[brnxbomers]

hey guy im trying to put on some size...so final answer....every muscle group one or twice a week since on test e?

[RikuY]

ONCE!!!

You already posted your twice a week is not getting the results you were looking for. Change it up to what a lot of experienced people are telling you and try once a week. The change gives your system a shock, better rest and recovery, and more experience with exercise planning. You can fit all those exercises into one session. Lower weights you workout with. The weight you workout with isn't the result you are looking for, you muscle growth is. So, if getting all the muscle groups worked out in the session means doing so with less weight, then do it! You gotta accept the fact that some of the stuff you know, could be wrong.

Hope this helps...

[ninthprince22]

It'll start working soon. Be patient, you're ok.

ditto