couple newbie questions

[od404]

im 25 years old, juicing on / off three years, but dont know half as much as id like to know about it, every time i ask a question to someone in the gym another person will contradict them, hard to know who or wat to belive...
im told to do hcg jab 2 weeks after last shot of cycle?? others says do it mid cycle, which do i do?
im starting a 8 week course may 1st of 500mg sus 400mg deca per week and 6 dbol a day, im going try run armidex with it for the first time to combat water retention, will this stop me getting bloated face?? face usually swells up which turns me off it.. will i still have to use clomid 2 weeks after cycle for pct..??

[PT]

you need to run your cycle for 10-12 weeks and yes you will need clomid or nolva

[Amorphic]

clomid alone is a crappy pct. nolva, aromasin, hcg is better.

some prefer to use hcg in the last few weeks into pct to assist recovery, you can do that or use it as part of your pct.

[od404]

cheers guys, and in relation to the armidex, if i take half tab of that a day will that help prolong gains and cut muscle gains?? or will i use proviron??

[Amorphic]

cheers guys, and in relation to the armidex, if i take half tab of that a day will that help prolong gains and cut muscle gains?? or will i use proviron??

use the arimidex if you are getting puffy nipples or any estrogen issues arise, you will be sacrificing gains if you use it when you dont need it, estrogen is important in muscle gain.

[od404]

i can i take to combat water retention then?? bloated face??

[od404]

cool, so im doing 8 week course, usually start to bloat around 4th week into it, recon i start to take half tab then until end of cycle??

[duggadoo]

the arimidex will help the bloat he just sayin use it when the bloating gets bad not the whole cycle so say you are startin to puff up bad use it for a couple days then lay off it...correct me if im wrong

[longhorn814]

you need to run that cycle for 10-12 weeks..8 weeks is too short..you will miss out on the maximum gains..4 weeks for dbol, 11 weeks for deca and 12 weeks for test

[od404]

12 weeks?? ****, will i ever see my balls again???

[Amorphic]

12 weeks?? ****, will i ever see my balls again???

12 weeks is standard cycle territory. with a proper pct you will be fine

[longhorn814]

12 weeks?? ****, will i ever see my balls again???

12 weeks is the usual length..proper PCT you will be fine..besides you realize that long esters such as deca and the longer esters in the sust take anywhere from 4-6 weeks before they really start to work..thats why you need to run them for 12 weeks..the 4 weeks of dbol to start will help you get gains while waiting for the long esters to kick in

[od404]

ok cheers,
last course i done was 500 sus 400 deca per week for 6 weeks and 6 dbol every day, i went from 195lbs to 200lbs, putting on a stone in 6 weeks.. done a box of clomid 2 weeks after last shot.. im now 8 weeks off now and my weight has dropped back down to 195lbs, basically lost a stonne, would that be just water retention or did i crash?? i had problems getting hcg at the time and never done it, would this be why???

[shifty_git]

ok cheers,
last course i done was 500 sus 400 deca per week for 6 weeks and 6 dbol every day, i went from 195lbs to 200lbs, putting on a stone in 6 weeks.. done a box of clomid 2 weeks after last shot.. im now 8 weeks off now and my weight has dropped back down to 195lbs, basically lost a stonne, would that be just water retention or did i crash?? i had problems getting hcg at the time and never done it, would this be why???

A cycle of 6 weeks was pretty much a waste of time as the esters would only be getting to peak levels by week 5.

How come you say you went from 195lb to 200lb and then say you put on 1 stone?!!? A stone is 14lbs.

'A box of clomid' is no indication of dose or PCT length.

Whats your diet like? Post it with macros.

[od404]

sorry i meant 215lbs, my bad, and yes i know now 6 weeks was too short a cycle, am gonna run it for 8 week minium next, my diets good, try keep carbs/protein up, porridge, potatoes, chicken, fish, etc,
wat u mean macros??
sorry if questions sound retarded??

[od404]

and a box of clomid consists of 20 tablets, i took one a day for til the were gone,

[shifty_git]

What dose are the clomid tabs?

Im guessing 50mg (most are) - if so you would need a stronger PCT next time.

Check out 'pheedno's' in the PCT section.

Macros are protein, carbs, fats.

i.e - 40/40/20 split say....

So (these are made up random figures for ease) each meal would consist of
80 cal from protein / 80 cal from Carbs / 40 cal from Fat

[od404]

had a read of pheednos in pct, and none the wiser, ya`d want a degree in medicine to understand half that sh#t, LOL, i would in any way, can someone dumb it down and recommend me a pct to do?? for the cycle im gonna be doing, and how to do it, thanks
please excuse my stupidness..

[longhorn814]

had a read of pheednos in pct, and none the wiser, ya`d want a degree in medicine to understand half that sh#t, LOL, i would in any way, can someone dumb it down and recommend me a pct to do?? for the cycle im gonna be doing, and how to do it, thanks
please excuse my stupidness..

you really need to take the time to understand PCT and what the different products do..dont rely on someone to spoon feed you..knowledge is power and besides that basics of PCT arent that complicated..read the stickies at the top of the PCT forum

[od404]

ok thanks man